G-D's Son Is Israel- Not Jesus

Ingledsva · Mar 2, 2015

CMike said:
I don't know what babble you are spewing but Judaism is based on the worship of the one and only G-D.

Yes, there were some Jews who weren't practicing Judaism. That doesn't mean that what they were doing was part of Judaism.

You have told us that you have studied this. So stop the Babble yourself. You know perfectly well that they originally had a God and Goddess. They BECAME a ONE God religion, and committed genocide - according to Tanakh - for generations after, to make the new religion stick.

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CMike · Mar 2, 2015

Ingledsva said:
You have told us that you have studied this. So stop the Babble yourself. You know perfectly well that they originally had a God and Goddess. They BECAME a ONE God religion, and committed genocide for generations after, to make the new religion stick.

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Totally absurd.

Ingledsva · Mar 2, 2015

CMike said:
Totally absurd.

Really? So what are those verses in Tanakh, where the Hebrew tell us they were better off under the Goddess? (And God)

That tell us they baked cakes for the Queen of Heaven?

The archaeological finds showing the name YHVH with Asherah/Ashtoreth the Queen of Heaven.

Why did they keep turning back to her - and being murdered by their own people for doing so? In Kings, etc? RE-setting HER up in the Temples?

EDIT - 2Kings 21:7 And he set the graven image of the Asherah that he had made, in the house of which Jehovah had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever;

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CMike · Mar 2, 2015

Ingledsva said:
Really? So what are those verses in Tanakh, where the Hebrew tell us they were better off under the Goddess? (And God)

That tell us they baked cakes for the Queen of Heaven?

The archaeological finds showing the name YHVH with Asherah/Ashtoreth the Queen of Heaven.

Why did they keep turning back to her - and being murdered by their own people for doing so? In Kings, etc? RE-setting HER up in the Temples?

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There aren't verses that say we are better off under the goddess.

Prophets and scriptures are often written very poetically. Not everything in those books are meant literally.

There is only one G-D in Judaism.

Also, there have been Jews who have gone a seperate way but they weren't practicing Judaism. This is similar to christians turning to Islam and such.

Ingledsva · Mar 2, 2015

CMike said:
There aren't verses that say we are better off under the goddess.

Prophets and scriptures are often written very poetically. Not everything in those books are meant literally.

There is only one G-D in Judaism.

Also, there have been Jews who have gone a seperate way but they weren't practicing Judaism. This is similar to christians turning to Islam and such.

Jer 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the Queen of Heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Jer 44:18 But since we left off to burn incense to the Queen of Heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the Queen of Heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

2Kings 21:7 And he set the graven image of the Asherah that he had made, in the house of which Jehovah had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever;

They set her up in the Temple over-and-over-and-over, and were murdered by the new One God Hebrew!

EDIT - Pictures of some of the thousands of Asherah figurines dug up in Israel.

Ancient Israelite Religion Special Collection | The BAS Library

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rosends · Mar 2, 2015

Ingledsva said:
According to Tanakh - IT BECAME A MONOTHEISTIC RELIGION - with generations of genocide against their own people, who chose to stay with, or bring back, their original God and Goddess.

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According to the tanach, it began as a monotheistic religion which made worship of other god concepts unacceptable and punished that behavior. Should I have thrown in an all caps segment for effect?

Ingledsva · Mar 3, 2015

rosends said:
According to the tanach, it began as a monotheistic religion which made worship of other god concepts unacceptable and punished that behavior. Should I have thrown in an all caps segment for effect?

That is pure bull. It did not start as a monotheistic religion.

That Bar (Biblical Archaeology Review) site listed with the pictures above - also has links to articles on YHVH and his Asherah, and to YHVH being called the SUN, and info about his solar chariot.

"On the journey, we will learn not only that Yahweh did have a consort, but that at a very early period—the Taanach cult stand dates to the tenth century B.C.E.—Israel conceived of Yahweh abstractly and non-anthropomorphically. At this same time, Yahweh was also symbolically represented—at least occasionally—by the sun. All these strands of theological understanding of Yahweh and Yahweh worship existed simultaneously—a most elevated and abstract understanding within a pagan (though Yahwistic) context."

"Why is the identification of this animal important? For one thing, if it is a horse, then it cannot be identified with Baal. And for another, the imagery of a horse prominently portrayed below the blazing sun readily brings to mind a similar cultic scene portrayed in the Bible. In the seventh century B.C.E., King Josiah of Judah abolished an ancient Yahwistic tradition, as follows:

“He [Josiah] removed the horses that the kings of Judah had dedicated to the sun, at the entrance of the house of the Lord … ; and he burned the chariots of the sun with fire” (2 Kings 23:11).

This passage refers to a cultic procession of horses and chariot(s) of the sun in association with the Jerusalem Temple, attributed not to the heretical king Manasseh who ruled only a few years before, but to “the kings of Judah” (plural), which suggests a rite with a considerable history. Tier 1 of the Taanach cult stand shares no fewer than five things in common with this Biblical passage: (1) an Israelite context; (2) a horse; (3) the sun; (4) an allusion to chariotry;7 and (5) a location at the Temple—specifically at the “entrance” to the Temple—that is, near the freestanding pillars.8"

Was Yahweh Worshiped as the Sun? | The BAS Library

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rosends · Mar 3, 2015

Ingledsva said:
That is pure bull. It did not start as a monotheistic religion.

That Bar (Biblical Archaeology Review) site listed with the pictures above - also has links to articles on YHVH and his Asherah, and to YHVH being called the SUN, and info about his solar chariot.

"On the journey, we will learn not only that Yahweh did have a consort, but that at a very early period—the Taanach cult stand dates to the tenth century B.C.E.—Israel conceived of Yahweh abstractly and non-anthropomorphically. At this same time, Yahweh was also symbolically represented—at least occasionally—by the sun. All these strands of theological understanding of Yahweh and Yahweh worship existed simultaneously—a most elevated and abstract understanding within a pagan (though Yahwistic) context."

"Why is the identification of this animal important? For one thing, if it is a horse, then it cannot be identified with Baal. And for another, the imagery of a horse prominently portrayed below the blazing sun readily brings to mind a similar cultic scene portrayed in the Bible. In the seventh century B.C.E., King Josiah of Judah abolished an ancient Yahwistic tradition, as follows:

“He [Josiah] removed the horses that the kings of Judah had dedicated to the sun, at the entrance of the house of the Lord … ; and he burned the chariots of the sun with fire” (2 Kings 23:11).

This passage refers to a cultic procession of horses and chariot(s) of the sun in association with the Jerusalem Temple, attributed not to the heretical king Manasseh who ruled only a few years before, but to “the kings of Judah” (plural), which suggests a rite with a considerable history. Tier 1 of the Taanach cult stand shares no fewer than five things in common with this Biblical passage: (1) an Israelite context; (2) a horse; (3) the sun; (4) an allusion to chariotry;7 and (5) a location at the Temple—specifically at the “entrance” to the Temple—that is, near the freestanding pillars.8"

Was Yahweh Worshiped as the Sun? | The BAS Library

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Swing and a miss on a major scale. Two big problems -- first, the tanach disputes the BAR and the claim was that the tanach describes the religion as monotheistic. Second is that your quote from Kings tells of a King within that monotheistic system doing exactly as I stated -- punishing those who strayed FROM the monotheistic system into idolatry. You can't then prove that the system was previously not monotheistic. That's like saying that if I punish my child for stealing today, then yesterday, I used to be a thief. So make your scholarly claims all you want. They are not borne out by biblical text (except according to those who don't know basic Hebrew).

CMike · Mar 3, 2015

As I said Psalms, Scriptures, and some prayers are written poetically. Not everything is meant to be taken literally.

There is and only was one G-D in Judaism

Hear O Israel, the L-rd is our G-D, the L-ord is ONE (Deut)

I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God. ...so that from the rising of the Sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other. (Isaiah, 45:5-6)

...I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me. (Isaiah, 46:9)

... so that all the peoples of the Earth may know that the Lord is God and that there is no other. (1 Kings, 8:60)

Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the Earth; for I am God, and there is no other. (Isaiah, 45:22)

This is what the Lord says…"Surely God is with you, and there is no other; there is no other God." (Isaiah, 45:14)

...The Lord our God, the Lord is one. (Deuteronomy, 6:4)

You are my witness--the words of Hashem--and My servant, whom I have chosen, so that you will know and believe in Me, and understand that I am He; before me nothing was created by a G-D, and after Me it shall not be (Isaiah 43:10)

... O Lord; no deeds can compare with Yours. All the nations You have made will come and worship before You, O Lord; they will bring glory to Your name. For You are great and do marvelous deeds; You alone are God. (Psalms, 86:8-10)

O Lord ...You alone are God over all the kingdoms of the Earth. You have made heaven and Earth. (Isaiah, 37:16)

... all kingdoms on Earth may know that You alone, O Lord, are God. (Isaiah, 37:20)

This is what the Lord says—your Redeemer, Who formed you in the womb: I am the Lord, Who has made all things, Who alone stretched out the heavens, Who spread out the Earth by Myself. (Isaiah, 44:24)

Since ancient times no one has heard, no ear has perceived, no eye has seen any God besides You, who acts on behalf of those who wait for Him. (Isaiah, 64:4)

For this is what the Lord says—He Who created the heavens, He is God; He Who fashioned and made the Earth, He founded it; He did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited—He says: "I am the Lord, and there is no other." (Isaiah, 45:18)

...Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no god apart from Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but Me. (Isaiah, 45:21)

See now that I Myself am He! There is no god besides Me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal... (Deuteronomy, 32:39)

...you may know there is no one like the Lord our God. (Exodus, 8:10)

O Lord... there is no god like You in heaven above or on Earth below... (1 Kings, 8:23; 2 Chronicles, 6:14)

Then Asa called to the Lord his God and said, "Lord, there is no one like You to help the powerless against the mighty..."(2 Chronicles, 14:11)

I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from Me there is no savior. (Isaiah, 43:11)

There is no one like You, O Lord, and there is no god but You, as we have heard with our own ears. (1 Chronicles, 17:20; 2 Samuel, 7:22)

There is no one holy like the Lord; there is no one besides You; there is no strength like our God. (1 Samuel, 2:2)

Ingledsva · Mar 3, 2015

rosends said:
Swing and a miss on a major scale. Two big problems -- first, the tanach disputes the BAR and the claim was that the tanach describes the religion as monotheistic. Second is that your quote from Kings tells of a King within that monotheistic system doing exactly as I stated -- punishing those who strayed FROM the monotheistic system into idolatry. You can't then prove that the system was previously not monotheistic. That's like saying that if I punish my child for stealing today, then yesterday, I used to be a thief. So make your scholarly claims all you want. They are not borne out by biblical text (except according to those who don't know basic Hebrew).

And you are going to go on and on pushing crap, when you know perfectly well they originally had a God and Goddess, - and the articles showed ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE that YHVH had a mate, and that he was called, and shown, as the SUN.

I don't have to prove anything - ARCHAEOLOGY already has proven what I said, and I gave Biblical Archaeology articles concerning them!

Tanakh is written by men, - archaeology is proof. And I might add that I showed proof for what I said - from the TANAKH! It has YHVH called the SUN, - and it talks about their original Goddess.

So stop the - I have to have the last word - and make her look wrong bull!

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Ingledsva · Mar 3, 2015

CMike said:
As I said Psalms, Scriptures, and some prayers are written poetically. Not everything is meant to be taken literally.

There is and only was one G-D in Judaism

Hear O Israel, the L-rd is our G-D, the L-ord is ONE (Deut)

I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God. ...so that from the rising of the Sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other. (Isaiah, 45:5-6)

...I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me. (Isaiah, 46:9)

... so that all the peoples of the Earth may know that the Lord is God and that there is no other. (1 Kings, 8:60)

Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the Earth; for I am God, and there is no other. (Isaiah, 45:22)

This is what the Lord says…"Surely God is with you, and there is no other; there is no other God." (Isaiah, 45:14)

...The Lord our God, the Lord is one. (Deuteronomy, 6:4)

You are my witness--the words of Hashem--and My servant, whom I have chosen, so that you will know and believe in Me, and understand that I am He; before me nothing was created by a G-D, and after Me it shall not be (Isaiah 43:10)

... O Lord; no deeds can compare with Yours. All the nations You have made will come and worship before You, O Lord; they will bring glory to Your name. For You are great and do marvelous deeds; You alone are God. (Psalms, 86:8-10)

O Lord ...You alone are God over all the kingdoms of the Earth. You have made heaven and Earth. (Isaiah, 37:16)

... all kingdoms on Earth may know that You alone, O Lord, are God. (Isaiah, 37:20)

This is what the Lord says—your Redeemer, Who formed you in the womb: I am the Lord, Who has made all things, Who alone stretched out the heavens, Who spread out the Earth by Myself. (Isaiah, 44:24)

Since ancient times no one has heard, no ear has perceived, no eye has seen any God besides You, who acts on behalf of those who wait for Him. (Isaiah, 64:4)

For this is what the Lord says—He Who created the heavens, He is God; He Who fashioned and made the Earth, He founded it; He did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited—He says: "I am the Lord, and there is no other." (Isaiah, 45:18)

...Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no god apart from Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but Me. (Isaiah, 45:21)

See now that I Myself am He! There is no god besides Me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal... (Deuteronomy, 32:39)

...you may know there is no one like the Lord our God. (Exodus, 8:10)

O Lord... there is no god like You in heaven above or on Earth below... (1 Kings, 8:23; 2 Chronicles, 6:14)

Then Asa called to the Lord his God and said, "Lord, there is no one like You to help the powerless against the mighty..."(2 Chronicles, 14:11)

I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from Me there is no savior. (Isaiah, 43:11)

There is no one like You, O Lord, and there is no god but You, as we have heard with our own ears. (1 Chronicles, 17:20; 2 Samuel, 7:22)

There is no one holy like the Lord; there is no one besides You; there is no strength like our God. (1 Samuel, 2:2)

And your point with all that is what exactly?

We know they originally had a God and Goddess. I linked to the Biblical Archaeology site which shows the proof. They also called YHVH a SUN - again shown on those sites.

The ONE God religion took over, and 1 & 2 Kings show us the genocide against those whom did not want to go to this new ONE God version. They took out, destroyed, Asherah whose image was in the Temples, and killed the Kings, Priests, and people of the original religion, that kept putting her back where she belonged, - beside YHVH in the Temple.

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CMike · Mar 3, 2015

It's not just wrong, it's totally absurd.

Ingledsva · Mar 3, 2015

CMike said:
It's not just wrong, it's totally absurd.

No, unfortunately you are being absurd.

We have ancient Hebrew objects from archaeological digs, that we can hold, and read, - that say YHVY had a Goddess mate, and that say YHVH was at times called, and visualized as, the SUN.

Fact is fact.

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CMike · Mar 3, 2015

Ingledsva said:
No, unfortunately you are being absurd.

We have ancient Hebrew objects from archaeological digs, that we can hold, and read, - that say YHVY had a Goddess mate, and that say YHVH was at times called, and visualized as, the SUN.

Fact is fact.

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It's wrong

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