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Do christians go straight to heaven upon their deaths?

moorea944

Well-Known Member
The Bible must be taken as a whole. If there is incongruity then something is wrong so start searching for meaning that matches meaning.
Adam and Eve were told by God to "subdue the earth and make of it a paradise of pleasure" and "be fruitful and multiply".
Well they were fruitful and mutilplied but blew the paradise part.
God's intention for mankind was to have humans on earth as stewards of out home planet, to "do" something wonderful with it.
This was never done.
Why then do so many Christains think that upon death we go floating off "some where else" or to be condemned to a hellfire of etnernal punishment that brings NO glory to God.
People living a righteous life, being good stewards of our world, loving one another, being great parents, living in the footsteps of Christ, brings glory to God.
Floating off in the clouds is simply out of harmony with the theme of the Bible.
Going to heaven or being condemned to hell is a MANKIND notion, that satisfies some emotional need.
I totally agree.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
John 5:28-30 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice [29] and come out---those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. [30] By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

It is common to say "This person has gone to be with the Lord", "He is looking at us from heaven now". But according to this verse, that is not so. Those who have believed in Christ and been baptized in His name for the remission of their sins, when they die, stay in their graves until Jesus returns. I recently heard Pat Robertson say that a person's spirit goes to heaven, but they are reunited with their body at the resurrection. As I understand it here, the dead will here his voice. I believe their spirit, not their bodies, hear his voice, but I could be wrong on that.
However, why have the final judgement, if everyone is already in heaven or hell?

Do you believe we are sent to our ultimate destinaton upon our death or at judgement day?

Thank you.
The kingdom is within you. Every human has been in their grave (spiritually dead) at a point and most still are. Heaven and earth in scripture refers to the spirit in man and the earth is the human body. The Lord dwells inside of every human body. We are either spiritually in the grave or spiritually alive. Heaven and hell are states of conscious. The seed must be born within us and grow into a spiritual man. Starts by fearing the Lord and humbling ourselves, the defeat of our ego and pride and will and carnal mind and fleshly animalistic nature. What is down to a man's spirit in his lifetime will stick with him. (The pure love). The false prophet... His carnal mind.... Is burned up upon physical death. The beast... A human's fleshly body also with it. Even a sinner does genuine good things sometimes. We reap what we sow. To the Spirit and to the body.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
The kingdom is within you. Every human has been in their grave (spiritually dead) at a point and most still are. Heaven and earth in scripture refers to the spirit in man and the earth is the human body. The Lord dwells inside of every human body. We are either spiritually in the grave or spiritually alive. Heaven and hell are states of conscious. The seed must be born within us and grow into a spiritual man. Starts by fearing the Lord and humbling ourselves, the defeat of our ego and pride and will and carnal mind and fleshly animalistic nature. What is down to a man's spirit in his lifetime will stick with him. (The pure love). The false prophet... His carnal mind.... Is burned up upon physical death. The beast... A human's fleshly body also with it. Even a sinner does genuine good things sometimes. We reap what we sow. To the Spirit and to the body.


That is really stretching metephor as far as one can go.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Only the holiest people go directly to Heaven after their particular judgment when they die. The rest go to Purgatory to be purified and eventually go to Heaven and the rest go to Hell.

That verse is talking about the Resurrection of the dead at the Second Coming. Yes, when we die, we go to our destination, but at the Resurrection, we are reunited with our bodies and so our joy (for the saints) or suffering (for the damned) is made complete.
 

Yes

Oh how I love the Word of God!
I believe I obey Jesus and I know what is revealed to me. If there is someone who thinks it is otherwise I believe that person has not had things revealed to them.
You said you 'believe' you obey Jesus. Are you doubtful? How do you obey Jesus? Are you saved? Were you given the Holy Spirit?
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
That is really stretching metephor as far as one can go.
The God I worship is love and love never fails, therefore I find it silly for a God of love to be a monster and eternally punish His own creation eternally in a place man's mind created as an eternal hell after physical death. Ever been empty, depressed, anxious, full of fear, doubts, worries..... Sounds like a conscious state of hell doesn't it? Now we can continue to do our will and way which will always lead to emptiness, unhappiness... Or we can listen to the Lord who is knocking always at our times of weakness and patient and willing to forgive us no matter how much our sin and our will and our ways have left us consequences and in a mental state of torment. Even yet, we can let the Spirit teach us truths through meditation and stop being naive to mans carnal doctrines and carnal mind theology and learn what it means to be spiritual and internal where the only transformation occurs. Every man has a spirit that is eternal. Ever wonder why no man can boast? Because anything pure and of love any man does is from that spirit within. Apart from the Lord we can do no good. We must decrease and He must increase. Ever wonder how the Lord knows our thoughts and desires... Because the Lord dwells in all creatures. Does a carnal mind and flesh belong in heaven? Does the spirit of man belong in heaven? Are our souls (who we are, our intellect, emotion, will, etc... Are they either in a state of happiness and bliss or suffering and torment? Peace to you.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Actually it's not. I'll explain. Christ is not going to be in the air hovering. He will be on earth, where we will go and meet him. There are so many terms of symbollic clouds meaning a multitude of people, either saints or angels. In Greek, it doesnt say, "in the air". It says "in air' and 'in clouds". Not "in the". We are not snatched up, we are taken to Christ, which is earth.

I don't believe there is any Biblical evidence that Jesus is on earth for very long and there is evidence that Jesus will be in the air but whether He is hovering or not is debatable.

I believe it is incorrect to symbolize everthing and there is no scriptural indication that symbols are being used.

You say potato I say potahto. I believe it means the same thing.

I believe this statement has no basis in scripture.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
You said you 'believe' you obey Jesus. Are you doubtful? How do you obey Jesus? Are you saved? Were you given the Holy Spirit?

I beleive according to RF I don't know anything so everything is a belief.

I beleive I am careful to make sure it is Jesus that I obey and not some other spirit.

I do what He wants me to do.

I believe by having asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior that I am saved.

I believe the Holy Spirit has indwelled me from the time I asked Him to be Lord and Savior.
 

lockyfan

Active Member
No.

Not all people go to heaven.
Only those with the specific purpose of ruling with Jesus
Even then those who died before Christ started ruling as king, they had to wait to be ressurected.

The rest of us wait to be resurrected to earth
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Of course there is no such thing as heaven, so one one goes anywhere, other than where they are already, heaven is just a childish belief for those who are frightened of death.
 

Bick

Member
John 5:28-30 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice [29] and come out---those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. [30] By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

It is common to say "This person has gone to be with the Lord", "He is looking at us from heaven now". But according to this verse, that is not so. Those who have believed in Christ and been baptized in His name for the remission of their sins, when they die, stay in their graves until Jesus returns. I recently heard Pat Robertson say that a person's spirit goes to heaven, but they are reunited with their body at the resurrection. As I understand it here, the dead will here his voice. I believe their spirit, not their bodies, hear his voice, but I could be wrong on that.
However, why have the final judgement, if everyone is already in heaven or hell?

Do you believe we are sent to our ultimate destinaton upon our death or at judgement day?

Thank you.
John 5:28-30 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice [29] and come out---those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. [30] By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

It is common to say "This person has gone to be with the Lord", "He is looking at us from heaven now". But according to this verse, that is not so. Those who have believed in Christ and been baptized in His name for the remission of their sins, when they die, stay in their graves until Jesus returns. I recently heard Pat Robertson say that a person's spirit goes to heaven, but they are reunited with their body at the resurrection. As I understand it here, the dead will here his voice. I believe their spirit, not their bodies, hear his voice, but I could be wrong on that.
However, why have the final judgement, if everyone is already in heaven or hell?

Do you believe we are sent to our ultimate destinaton upon our death or at judgement day?

Thank you.
 

Bick

Member
John 5:28-30 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice [29] and come out---those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. [30] By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

It is common to say "This person has gone to be with the Lord", "He is looking at us from heaven now". But according to this verse, that is not so. Those who have believed in Christ and been baptized in His name for the remission of their sins, when they die, stay in their graves until Jesus returns. I recently heard Pat Robertson say that a person's spirit goes to heaven, but they are reunited with their body at the resurrection. As I understand it here, the dead will here his voice. I believe their spirit, not their bodies, hear his voice, but I could be wrong on that.
However, why have the final judgement, if everyone is already in heaven or hell?

Do you believe we are sent to our ultimate destinaton upon our death or at judgement day?

Thank you.
 

Bick

Member
John 5:28-30 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice [29] and come out---those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. [30] By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

It is common to say "This person has gone to be with the Lord", "He is looking at us from heaven now". But according to this verse, that is not so. Those who have believed in Christ and been baptized in His name for the remission of their sins, when they die, stay in their graves until Jesus returns. I recently heard Pat Robertson say that a person's spirit goes to heaven, but they are reunited with their body at the resurrection. As I understand it here, the dead will here his voice. I believe their spirit, not their bodies, hear his voice, but I could be wrong on that.
However, why have the final judgement, if everyone is already in heaven or hell?

Do you believe we are sent to our ultimate destinaton upon our death or at judgement day?

Thank you.
John 5:28-30 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice [29] and come out---those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. [30] By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

It is common to say "This person has gone to be with the Lord", "He is looking at us from heaven now". But according to this verse, that is not so. Those who have believed in Christ and been baptized in His name for the remission of their sins, when they die, stay in their graves until Jesus returns. I recently heard Pat Robertson say that a person's spirit goes to heaven, but they are reunited with their body at the resurrection. As I understand it here, the dead will here his voice. I believe their spirit, not their bodies, hear his voice, but I could be wrong on that.
However, why have the final judgement, if everyone is already in heaven or hell?

Do you believe we are sent to our ultimate destinaton upon our death or at judgement day?

Thank you.
 

moorea944

Well-Known Member
Only the holiest people go directly to Heaven after their particular judgment when they die. The rest go to Purgatory to be purified and eventually go to Heaven and the rest go to Hell.

That verse is talking about the Resurrection of the dead at the Second Coming. Yes, when we die, we go to our destination, but at the Resurrection, we are reunited with our bodies and so our joy (for the saints) or suffering (for the damned) is made complete.
Can you show us a verse that says that?
 

bird

Member
John 5:28-30 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice [29] and come out---those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. [30] By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

It is common to say "This person has gone to be with the Lord", "He is looking at us from heaven now". But according to this verse, that is not so. Those who have believed in Christ and been baptized in His name for the remission of their sins, when they die, stay in their graves until Jesus returns. I recently heard Pat Robertson say that a person's spirit goes to heaven, but they are reunited with their body at the resurrection. As I understand it here, the dead will here his voice. I believe their spirit, not their bodies, hear his voice, but I could be wrong on that.
However, why have the final judgement, if everyone is already in heaven or hell?

Do you believe we are sent to our ultimate destinaton upon our death or at judgement day?

Thank you.

The Bible uses the word 'dead' to describe spiritually dead and the word 'alive' to describe those who are spiritually alive and it is easy to confuse pictures of spiritual death and life with physical death and life. For example, in John 11, we read, "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?:" The phrase 'were dead' is most likely talking about 'were dead in tresspasses and sins". This is how it is used in Eph 2:1: "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;". This is talking about a person who is physically alive converting from being dead spiritually to being made alive spiritually (so-called born again). They haven't died physically when this happens. John 11:25-26 above tells us that such a person never dies once they are converted: "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die". Apparently, this means that even when the physical body dies the person goes right on living in Christ. There is not any pergatory mentioned, just a conversion experience when the person was still alive physically, but had been dead spiritually. So such a person that is converted has eternal life from that very moment on. The resurrection mentioned in John 11:25 seems to be the resurrection of the soul or inner man of the person, and not some physical event after physical death. In effect, the person goes from spiritual death to spiritual life. Something like this may well apply to the verse John 5:28-30 as well. Remember Jesus spoke of unbelievers as being condemned already and of true believers as having already passed from death to life.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
No.

Not all people go to heaven.
Only those with the specific purpose of ruling with Jesus
Even then those who died before Christ started ruling as king, they had to wait to be ressurected.

The rest of us wait to be resurrected to earth

I don't believe there is any evidence that there are those who rule with Jesus in Heaven.

I don't believe there is any evidence to support this view.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Of course there is no such thing as heaven, so one one goes anywhere, other than where they are already, heaven is just a childish belief for those who are frightened of death.

I believe your beliefs about heaven have no basis. My beliefs at least have a basis in scripture.
 
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