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Questions of Christianity

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Jerrell said:
There are radicals, yes, these are not true christians, they dont even observe the laws of God.

Just as those radical Buddhists were not true Buddhists, because Buddhism preaches a message of peace.

Jerrell said:
The Inquisitions were dnoe by Catholics, not christians(^_^)

Catholicism is a branch of Christianity. (^_^) It is, in fact, the division from which both Protestantism and Eastern Orthodox broke from.

Jerrell said:
...Keep in mind the Muslims did the Crusades before the Christians, and also know the Popes cuased the Crusades.

So the Muslims did the Crusades before the Christians, yet the Popes caused the crusades. So the popes ordered the Muslims to go on the Crusades?
 

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Jerrell said:
Plus Dont focus on the Bad, Focus also on the good. Christians Founded America, look how much good America has done(forget the present...lol).

Also, it should be noted that the good actions of a religion's members does not validate the religion's stipulations.
 

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Jerrell said:
If we look at how the TRUE people of the religion act we can see.

The quality of individuals' actions does not validate their personal stipulations. Many Buddhists have done good deeds, many Muslims have done good deeds, many Hindus have done good deeds... etc.

Jerrell said:
If we look at history we can see.

Explain... note that written history also contains contradictions.


Jerrell said:
Now, to truely answer yourquestion i would have to write a book, so...how can i put this?...hmm....One must look at when a Religion came to be, why, how, and the results of it.

A religion's origins are often hazed by inconsistencies, interpretations.

The reason for religion's existence is a highly opinionated subject.

All religions have contributed both good and bad... I fail to see how the results of a religion's existence could attest to its beliefs.



Jerrell said:
Now if you dont believe this i can understnad why you follow another religion. Many dont understnad Jesus, they either dont beleive, dont have enough facts about him, dont know the prophecy about him...there are so many things to consider.

It should be noted that there are people who have considered many, all, or more of these things and still disbelieve in Christianity. Inconsistencies, illogic, discrepancies, contradictory historical data, secret motives, thirst for power and control... these things must also be taken into consideration.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
finalfrogo said:

These are not inconssitances. Such as the First

1)Re 21:23 - And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 1Jo 1:5 - This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.God himself lit the World, and he called the light, day and the dark Night.

2)
GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

Genesis Chapter 2, Goes BACK IN TIME to explain the creation after Men.All Genesis is not in Chronological Order. If you study the BIble you will know this.
3)
GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.

Keep in mind Diffrent Greek, Hebrew and Aramic Words are used. Romans 3:10, 3:23,a dn 1 John 1:8-10, is explaing there is none All right, there is none right before God by his own works. NOah was rightouess becuase God called him righteouss... now what does righteouss mean? It Means BIblically Right with God. If you study the BIble, you cannot be right with God on your own, "there is no one right with God no not one"Now Jesus came that you may be right with God. If you accpet this you become Righteouss, not by your own works, but by the word of God, you are called rightouess.

4)
GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.
GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

Like I said Before, Chapter 2 of genesis goes back to Cover the Sixth Day and the Creation of Man and Such. Woman was created on the same day as Adam(which means Man). Now yom means, day, time period...ect...These days were not the same as our days, therefore creation accured in God's time, his day.

5)
DT 7:9-10 God destroys his enemies.
MT 5:39-44 Do not resist your enemies. Love them.

Such ignorance. Did you know how Jesus grew Up? He grew up in a time of war in a time of trouble. The Commandment of God is to Love your Neighbor as yourself. This is the gretest COmmandment. So, If you have a enemy and you enemies are always near, they are your neighbors, so you are to love them. This is the love of Christ, and this love and Convert a multitude.

6)
DT 24:16, 2KI 14:6, 2CH 25:4, EZ 18:20 Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins.
RO 5:12, 19, 1CO 15:22 Death is passed to all men by the sin of Adam.

Children do not become blind becuase thier father sinned. Children are not handed over to homosexuality becuase of their paren'ts sin. Children dont become poor becuase of their parents sin....Adam was the Father of all HUmans, his Action passed the Curse of sin on, We dont suffer becuase of his sin, We suffer becuase of our Own sin.

7)
Now concerning this site.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inconsistencies_in_the_Bible, this article is written by someone who does not understand the bible, consider the RED WARNING at the Top of the page.
One must probably be a Schalor to understnad the BIble...I am not Schalor but I am led by the Holy Spirt, Just as Jesus was Led by the Holy Spirit(Jesus never went to school). Now what erks me is when someone wants to deny the Bible without actually understnading it, ask someone to explain it to you, dont just get one side of the story get both sides.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
The Origion of Christanity is written by those who founded it. See the Book of Acts, written by Luke who walked with Paul and Peter, the Apotles of the Church. Acts is the History of the Early Church, when it first started, this is accurate written by someone who was actually there. And much of it be prooven by History outside the BIble.

Now also know People who doubt write their opinion into the History, Just as the Muslims wrote into their book that Jesus said "God has no son"...This is wrong since John who walked and talked with Jesus wrote that Jesus said he was the son of God. Then men 500 years later want to tell us what Jesus said....Beware of decievers.

Please Stop picking out of all my responses to other people things to respond to for or aginast your your view, atleast repond to that which i answered of you. And please read all that i type As i do read all that you type.
 

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Jerrell said:
1)Keep in mind God has all power. Floods happen all the time, and if the water can't leave the land it will flood all the land totally. Did you know there is archealogical evidence for a World Flood?
Such as...? It should be noted that the occurence of a world flood does not validate theism or Christianity.

2) The Ark was very huge, VERY VERY HUGE. He only took 2 of each animal type. Keep in mind He only took 2 of each animal, not species.

"Two of every animal" = "Two of each species of animal" Each "animal" is a species. That's still a ridiculous number; a LEAST 2 million individual animals.

Jerrell said:
3) It was not a Short time, It took Noah and his sons Years probably decades to build the Ark. It was that big. While he was building God brought all the animals to him, Noah himself did not go out and get all the animals.
Find the Biblical passage that reports "decades"... It has been reported to me that the Bible mentions a much shorter duration for the completion of the Ark and the gathering of the animals.

Jerrell said:
4)Why would you have a child if u knew he would end up hating you? God loved his creation and though he knew they would turn on him, he also knew the good to come out of it. If he didn't create us, Me and you would not be here, therefore we couldn't go to heaven and dwell with him. Our ultimate exisstance is to serve God, he created us for that reason.
Great, so he wanted servants now? What could he possibly need served to him? Furthermore, the existence of humanity has "disrupted" God at various times throughout the history the Bible proposes. It is quite ridiculous that an omniscient, omnipresent entity should feel "disrupted" at all, or should be subject to any other human emotions.


Jerrell said:
5) Now the reason God flooded the Earth was not only because of men. The Watchers(angels) who were sent by God took human form and slept with women. All of God's Creation was immoral except for Noah. They were partiers, atheist, homosexuals, thery were just dirty people. They even had gang rapes. Now then These beings who were not meant to be on earth were here, making it even worse. Fotr these Two reasons God Destroyed creation, but saved it still. inside the Ark.
Find the Biblical passages that mentions, watchers taking human forms, homosexuals, atheists, and gang rapes.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
Each animal is not a Species, Also Consider this All things that live on land are not animals, there are Vertebrateas and invertibrates, as well as Many othere species.
A Animal is not a Spiecies such as this.
A Dog is a Animal. But there are many Species of the dog.
There may be 2 million diffrent species, but not 2 million diffrent animals. Noah took 2 animals, not two of each species.

2) How long does it take to build a boat these days? It took a good view years to build the Titanic, even with technology. Today it stil takes years to build great vessels to stand the seas. You dont just up and build a huge boat in a "short time." Especially when it is only abour five people building it.
You must study the bible for yourself, dont expect me to explain all thigns unto you, I am not your teacher God is. Allow him to teach you and stop going to certain men just to further your own opinion, look at the other side of the Story.

Da 4:17 - This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of menJude 1: 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire

Ge 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Ge 6:2 - That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Job 1:6 - Now there was a day when the sons of God(angels) came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them

Genesis
19:1- And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them
"know them" comes from hebrew word yada, which means to have Sexual Intercourse.These men came to rape the men(angels) that God sent. These Angels also took human Form, and looked like regular humans to the people.

Judges 19:22-30 22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him. 23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly. 24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. 25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
They were there to rape him, but instead they raped the girl.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
finalfrogo said:
What is the fate of the millions of great, good-natured people who have died without becoming Christians?

Why does God care whether we worship Him or not?

1)There is only one true God. Now Though there be many good people in this world they have all sinned. That is the reason we go to hell(Seperation from God, also, Place of Souls) because of our sin. Jesus came to cover our sins and to forgive us. If you reject him and recieve not his atoning blood you have damned yourself. I also beleive if u have never heard the Gospel God is good enough u allow you another chance. But if u have had a chance to become saved and refused wethere u be good or not. Hell is your destitination.

2) God created men to serve him. The reason we worship him is self evident.
1)Becuase we love him. 2) Because he is a good God. 3) Becuase of what he has done for us. 4) Becuase we are command to wroship him. Why should you not worship God? God wants you to live for him and if u live for him u wroship him. That is why he cares.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
finalfrogo said:
I think I'll end today's work with this last question.

The Jesus Papers states:

"First, and importantly, the crucifixion was historically the punishment for a political crime. According to the Gospels, however, Pilate gave Jesus over to the mobs, who then brayed for his execution on the basis of religious dissent. The Jewish execution for this particular transgression was death by stoning. Crucifixion was a Roman punishment reserved for sedition, not religious eccentricity. This contradiction alone illustrates that the Gospels are not reporting the matter truthfully.
"

How do you account for this? If the Jews were responsible for Jesus' death, why was he crucified (a Roman, political punishment) instead of stoned?

That is a good question.
Understand. When the Romans Took over the Jews did not have the power to render death unto ANYONE.
Joh 18:31 - Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death: The reason he was crucified was for many reasons i will cover two. Prophecy says The messiah will be handed over unto the Gentiles.
[FONT=helvetica, arial]Prophecy[/FONT] [FONT=helvetica, arial]Fulfillment[/FONT]
Psalm 22:14
"... and all my bones are out of joint ..."
Matthew 27:35
"And they crucified him ..." When crucified your bones will most certainly come out of joint.
[FONT=helvetica, arial][SIZE=+1]The Messiah would be surrounded by Gentiles at his crucifixion.-[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=helvetica, arial]Prophecy[/FONT] [FONT=helvetica, arial]Fulfillment[/FONT]Psalm 22:16a
"For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me ..." Luke 23:36
"And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar,"

Jesus died by Crucifixion becuase Jews by Law could not kill him. Only the Romans could, so therefore Jesus was crucified along with two thieves, one of the theives said,
"And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

My # 2 Reason was becuase the Jews could not Render death so he had to be crucifide
 

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Jerrell said:
1)There is only one true God. Now Though there be many good people in this world they have all sinned. That is the reason we go to hell(Seperation from God, also, Place of Souls) because of our sin. Jesus came to cover our sins and to forgive us. If you reject him and recieve not his atoning blood you have damned yourself. I also beleive if u have never heard the Gospel God is good enough u allow you another chance. But if u have had a chance to become saved and refused wethere u be good or not. Hell is your destitination.

Define sin.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
You are suggesting to the readers to look for the good in Christianity. Yet, I have only read your interpretations of other religious followings to be "bad." Your examples of the beliefs and actions of Buddhists are quite condemning, and your statement that "The Buddha taught that we shouldn't help others" is blatantly ignorant and categorically wrong.



Do you see good in other faiths as a Christian?




Peace,
Mystic
 

Jerrell

Active Member
Squirt said:
I can go along with that.

Are you saying that once one becomes a Christian, he ceases to sin?

Do you believe that all one has to do is confess Jesus as his or her Lord and Savior? Does his or her responsibility end at this moment of confession?

(You've probably noticed that I, too, call myself a Christian. I'm asking these questions to see how closely our beliefs match.)

No I am not saying they dont sin. But they are no longer slaves to sin, they are dead to live and dont live for them.

No their Responsiblity does not end, if you are actually saved you will have a holy and rightouess attitude, you dont become saved and then go out and murder people, it is not like unto Christ. You are responsible for your actions. Everyone will account to God.
Mt 12:36 - But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Ro 14:12 - So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
You can't become saved and then do anything you want. There is mission, and there is an accountablity.

One must COnfess the Lord and to Become saved, and the batpized, yes.
Ac 2:21 - And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
I will type of the Story i am taling abour and show it to you....Buddisht teach, If someone is suffering it is becuase of his Karma, one should noe interfer with another's Karma. For this reason the Buddisht in the refugee camp are left without help from their Buddisht Brothers.

Also know I live in America, in the Third Largest City in South Carolina. There are not alot of Buddisht or Muslims here, therefore i dont actually get to see the good they do ar can do.(though there are some here). I know there are alot of good people in various religions, even in some sects of christianity, but yet who is feeding all the sick around the World? Christians....
 

Jerrell

Active Member
finalfrogo said:
Define sin.

Jas 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

1Jo 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Jas 2:11 - For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the lawRo

2:13 - (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Sin- Transgression, Missing the mark, not being perfect(which we cant help) That is the reason This was written-

Ro 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
That is why Jesus came

Re 1:5 - And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Mt 9:13 - But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Jesus came to free you from your sin


Ro 6:22 - But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life

And the end of this is Everlasting Life, That is to be Present with God Forever, how great is his love that he would die for us, so that we could be with him forever?
 

Jerrell

Active Member
SunMessenger said:
REVIVAL ...It is the beginning of a cause once left behind. In terms of Religion it is the true excitement that comes with being together with the Lord... The Holy Mother wishes us to know the following..." If you ask pardon with your sincere soul God will pardon you. It is I, your mother, who through the intercession of St. Michael, wish to say that you amend, that you are already in the last warnings and that I love you much and do not want your condemnation. Ask Us sincerely and we will give to you. You should sacrifice more. Think of the passion of Jesus." Be Well and God Bless You !


Mary cannot forgive Sins. The Bible commands that we ask The Father to forgive us
1Jo 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he(MALE) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Mr 2:7 - Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

Ac 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other than Jesus: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Only God can Forgive sins, Only Jesus can forgive sins. Jesus is Emmanuel, "God with us". Jesus is the Son of God. If you are not God you can't forgive sins. We are to confess unto thte Father in Heaven our sins, we are to pray to the Father.
Mt 6:6 - But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Everytime Jesus prayed, he prayed to God, the Father, He told us to do Likewise

Mt 6:9 - After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed(Righteouss) be thy name.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
Sturmwaffen said:
How, and when in one's lifetime, can one become a monk? What types of Catholic monks are there?

I am not Catholic, therefore i cannot answer your question.

I am a Ordained Minister of God, which is an Office the Apostles Ordained, Monks are nowhere mentioned in the Bible, this office should not be in the church. Why do i say this?
Ephesians4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in F10 the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

One who ministers is a Minister, Jesus was a Minister, I Myself Am a Teacher, and I Minister the good news of Jesus Christ. God only Gave Those Types of Ministers, and in those the ministry works, you can't add to it.

Col 1:23 - If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Col 1:25 -Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 1Ti 4:6 - If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 1Pe 4:10 - As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Jerrell said:
I will type of the Story i am taling abour and show it to you....Buddisht teach, If someone is suffering it is becuase of his Karma, one should noe interfer with another's Karma. For this reason the Buddisht in the refugee camp are left without help from their Buddisht Brothers.



It concerns me to think that not only you believe this to be Buddhist doctrine, but that others think we follow this "teaching". :(




Jerrell said:
Also know I live in America, in the Third Largest City in South Carolina. There are not alot of Buddisht or Muslims here, therefore i dont actually get to see the good they do ar can do.(though there are some here). I know there are alot of good people in various religions, even in some sects of christianity, but yet who is feeding all the sick around the World? Christians....



Are you attempting to prove to me how wonderful Christianity is? There is no need. I see the many wonderful things that Christians have done and continue to do. :)




I can see how your living situation might shield you from knowing the activities of others' faith traditions. It isn't very popular to be Buddhist in the Carolinas (I should know, since I lived in North Carolina for just under a year), so therefore one does not see a lot of Buddhist propaganda. ;)




This isn't the thread to keep this sub-discussion up, but there are many organizations in other faith traditions (non-Christian) that contribute much to the needy. I only bring this up because it seems you are under the impression that Christians are the only group that do good in this world. That assumption is untrue. :)



But I do sincerely apologize if I assumed wrong.





Peace,
Mystic
 

Jerrell

Active Member
finalfrogo said:
Your victory over temptation does not prove the validity of the Bible... :confused:

Furthermore, how can you prove your notion that the holy spirit is supporting me in your beliefs? Consider this situation: The Holy Spirit has guided me in my study, which has revealed to me that everything in the Bible is completely false. What do we do now? (Also, it should be noted that the existence of the Holy Spirit itself is one of your beliefs; you are using beliefs to validate beliefs instead of facts and logic.)
I find this strange. Do you not know the Holy Spirit is Taught by Jesus, now if EVERYTHING in the BIble is flase then u must beleive the Teaching of the Holy Spirit is false therefore why do u say you are led by the HOly Spirit.

You lead yourself, The Holy Spirit is not guiding you, if he was you would understnad that the Scripture is Holy, and nothing in it is flase. Just becuase you dont understand doesn't mean it is flase, learn to do more than study, you need to ask questions, Either Ask God, and Ask a Minister of God,
Pr 3:5 - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. Trust that God will lead you, Now If you trust him you must put your faith in him, how do you do this? Trust n Jeuss Christ and the Father will recieve you. Do this and You will be saved Only After Being Saved can you recieve the Holy Spirt, for the World(the unsaved) can't have the HOly Sprit.
Joh 14:17 - I will send you..."the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
If you dont beleive the Bible dont try to claim it's Gifts without Christ, now how is Christ known? He is known by the BIble, now if u say the Bible is Flase, do u say Christ is false?

Howbeit men lead themselves...claiming to be lead by God that they may decieve.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
No, I do believe that there are good people outside christianity who feed and help the seek and needy. But the Children of God are holding the burden of the majority. Why? Jesus told us too therefore we do. Now those good people, they have a good heart, a heart like unto christ, they are few but atleast they exist, It is good to lay down you life for a friend, if so they do, they are good.

Consider this, there is Roughly Four Billion people who are not Christians, 2 Billion are christians, Why do christians do more than the other 4 billion? That is a good Question, maybe you can figure out the asnwer yourself.
 
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