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Questions of Christianity

SunMessenger

Catholic
REVIVAL ...It is the beginning of a cause once left behind. In terms of Religion it is the true excitement that comes with being together with the Lord... The Holy Mother wishes us to know the following..." If you ask pardon with your sincere soul God will pardon you. It is I, your mother, who through the intercession of St. Michael, wish to say that you amend, that you are already in the last warnings and that I love you much and do not want your condemnation. Ask Us sincerely and we will give to you. You should sacrifice more. Think of the passion of Jesus." Be Well and God Bless You !
 

Sturmwaffen

New Member
Jerrell said:
I make this thread to answer ANY Question about Christanity. I will answer thruthfully and Biblically, to satisfy your thirst for knowledge. My Ultimate goal is to help others understand the Faith of Christ better.:jam:

How, and when in one's lifetime, can one become a monk? What types of Catholic monks are there?
 

Mike182

Flaming Queer
Jerrell said:
That is a good question. There are alot of Denominations in Christanity I myself am of a whole, a Christian is a christian and i teach that which the bible teaches. There are many practices that are flase or wrong, i will reveal these. I represent a true understnading of the faith of christanity, and this is not given to everybody, you must be lead by the holy spirit.

so if i disagree with your interpritation, i am in the wrong, and thats the end of it? hmmmm, interesting........
 

Jerrell

Active Member
Krie said:
How do you know that everything that you have learned of the bible is the truth???

Good Question. The Holy Spirit has GUided me in my Study. Over the Years he has prepared me, I have read, Studied and Fuahgt a long fight. Temptation has come to my doorstep and I have overcome while sometimes i have fallen.

Now I look onto the BIble as truth for many reasons, #1-Prophecy, #2-Accuratecy, #3-The goodness of those who follow Jesus, #4-The goodness of God.

Now the truth is Jesus, I beleive in the Truth and he promised to reveal the truth unto me. What i have learned in the BIble is truth. Insight, Knowledge Wisdom, They all contribute, God must lead you in all ways.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
Mike182 said:
so if i disagree with your interpritation, i am in the wrong, and thats the end of it? hmmmm, interesting........

No, I welcome disagreement. Sometimes in the past i was wrong, If i am wrong I am wrong. I am not trying to imply I am all knowing, I respect all opinions and i hope u will express them. But what gets me angry is when u express your opinion but wont accpet it even when the BIble or Philosophy rpooves you wrong...they wont listen to the other person....
 

Jerrell

Active Member
nutshell said:
Here's a question:

What gives your interpretation of Christianity and the Bible more weight than other interpretations?

Some look literally at the BIble, Some look at it as a Whole book of Fantasy and Fairy Tales. Others look at it in a Philoshpical way. Others just look at it as good vs. Evil. Some look at it is Firgurative. There are so many ways, but when u actually try to understand the whole bible. If you are truely saved and the Holy Spirit guides you. That is when u can understand.

I am not saying everyone who doesn't see what i see is wrong. There is a reason to beleive ANYTHING in this world. A Atheist has his reasons, Mormons have their reason. Muslims have their reasons. We should look at these reasons and see if they are valid without having a descrepency aginast them.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
Buttons* said:
Some of the best questions from my dearest Halcyon: (hope he doesnt mind me re-posting them... again)

1. Why do you believe that the texts chosen to be in the new testament were/are the most reliable?

2. Why do you believe St. Paul's account of Jesus's form and teachings even though they never met and Paul only ever saw Jesus in a dream?

3. Which is the most accurate of the four gospels, since each gives a contradictory account of events?

4. Why do you believe Jesus was the son of God, or God himself - even though Jesus never, ever said anything like that?

5. If the Bible is the word of God, why does it contradict itself and give various accounts of events?

6. If there is only one God, why is He a jealous God - what could He possible be jealous of?

7. Jesus's bloodline is traced back to King David - through Joseph, yet by your account Jesus was not the son of Joseph. Explain?

8. Jesus rose from the grave and lived amongst his disciples for 40 days before ascending, why isn't there any record outside the bible of the walking corpse of a notorius executed criminal?

1. You must look at the date they were written, the four gospels we have were written within the First and Second Century. And all were written by Someone who knew Jesus, or knew someone who knew Jesus. We must also see if they are psuedo(flase). Many try to fit "Christians people" to their culture. They create their own version of things and put a Apostles' or Disciple's name on it(i.e, Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Phillip, Acts of Thomas, Gospel of Judas). The Books selected were seen to be inspired and in no way contradict each other while yet they support Each Other.

2.Paul did not see Jesus in a Dream, he was awake, and others heard them too.
Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. 7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Others heard Jesus, Paul was not dreaming. Keep in mind Paul was with the Pharasees. He Knew the Old Testament REAL WELL. better than any of the first Apostles, since he had this understanding he could teach in more diffrent way than the others, he reached more. I Belvie Paul's Teachings because why would a man who hated Christians die for the very religion if he didn't see Jesus? He was put in Jail,Stoned, Boiled in Oil, yet he faught for God and was finally Crucifeid.
The Early Church looked onto all that Paul wrote as Holy Scripture.

3. They do not Give a Contradictory account of Events. Keep in mind Matthew and John actually walked with Jesus. While Luke and Mark did not. John Mark was a Follower of Paul. Luke was a Follower of both Paul and Peter and used their Memory of Jesus to write the Gospel. I myself lean more on the Gospel of JOhn, it is a Personal account of Jesus' Goodnews.
Think about this, a man goes to town. 3 men go with him. Each write a story about why he went to town. ONe says he picked up a rock on the way. the others dont mention it. Another says he talked to a lady once he got to the town. The others dont mention it cuase they dont see it as imporant. The Third says he rested for two hours along the road. the others dont say so...This is what the Gospels are. Each writer has a diffrent interpretation, a diffrent reason for writing, they do nto contradict but give diffrent forms of information, diffrent times, diffrent reasons.

4.Jesus said this. John 10:36-36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Now what did the Jews say before this... John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Jesus said he was the Son of God, yet the Jews took it as if he was trying to be God. The reason they did this becuase they understood that the Messiah was to be God in the Flesh.
Mt 1:23 - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Col 2:9 - For in him(Jesus) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


Isa 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. The Messiah will be called Everlasting Father, He will be Called Mighty God. For sake of amount of words i will move on.See-
Isa 12:2 - Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Genesis tells us God created the heavens and the Earth.
John 1:1-10, and 1 Cor 1:16 reveals to us Jesus created all things, think about this.

5. The Bible is not the "word of God", Jesus is the Word of God, now if u want to understand the phrase, what God Speaks is his word. And this word is written which is the Holy Scripture, which is now the Bible. The Bible does not Contradict, you must understand the Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew words to know this. There are no Contradictions in the Bible. Which is the Spoken word of God.

6.there is only one True God. But read Below.

1 Corinthains 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

There is only one true God, but there are many that call themselves god. You can even make yourself a "god." that is why God is ealous he will not have his worship given to anyone who is not God.

Isa 42:8 - I am the Lord, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images. These Images can be your god, that is why God can be jealous.

7. Jesus was born through the line of David, yes? There are two diffrent geaneologies though.Matthew gives the one Through Mary, Luke gives the one through Joseph. Jospeh was his Earthly father but not his actual Father. The Holy Spirit itself cuased Mary to become Pregnant, Leterally God placed himself within Mary, and was born. So Through Mary Jesus was actually a son of David. And Through David his Earthly Father, he was Spiritually given by the law, a son of Daivd also.

8. Jesus was not notorius. Also know Jesus did not walk Openly, He only appeared to about 532 of his own Disciples. That is why others dont write of him, they did not see him. Jesus only showed himself to a certain few, and they testified of this.

Jesus was not a wlaking corspe, he was not the walking dead, He was alive. dont get it confused.
 

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Jerrell said:
Good Question. The Holy Spirit has GUided me in my Study. Over the Years he has prepared me, I have read, Studied and Fuahgt a long fight. Temptation has come to my doorstep and I have overcome while sometimes i have fallen.

Your victory over temptation does not prove the validity of the Bible... :confused:

Furthermore, how can you prove your notion that the holy spirit is supporting me in your beliefs? Consider this situation: The Holy Spirit has guided me in my study, which has revealed to me that everything in the Bible is completely false. What do we do now? (Also, it should be noted that the existence of the Holy Spirit itself is one of your beliefs; you are using beliefs to validate beliefs instead of facts and logic.)

Jerrell said:
Now I look onto the BIble as truth for many reasons, #1-Prophecy, #2-Accuratecy, #3-The goodness of those who follow Jesus, #4-The goodness of God.

1. There are various possibilities for such prophecies.

a) The prophecy may have been written after it was fulfilled to give the illusion of validity.

b) Also, many prophecies are vague and have only been fulfilled to a slight degree. If the entire prophecy does not come true, then the entire prophecy must be considered false.

c) Thirdly, a historical person may have purposely attempted to attribute that prophecy to his own life; thus making him seem significant to others.

2. Accuracy? Based on what? There are various inconsistencies and illogical statements in the Bible... where do you see "Accuracy"?

3. There happens to be plenty of goodness within Buddhists, for example. This, however, does not attest to the validity of Buddhist scriptures. Nor can such reasoning apply to any religion, including Christianity.

4. How does the goodness of God prove the Bible? I think the goodness of God proves the Koran. What do we do now?
 

Jerrell

Active Member
finalfrogo said:
How do you determine the validity of one religion over another, and how do you know that this method is correct? Why, exactly, do you think Christianity is the truth when compared to the truths proposed by other religions?

(Forgive me if I am wrong about your beliefs, for I make many assumptions.)

If we look at history we can see. If we understand the fiath we can see. If we look at how the TRUE people of the religion act we can see. As far as i have seen a True Christian is the most blessed of human Beings, nto to say others are not, but have u ever met a TRUE Christian? With the Love of God and Jesus in him, they are one of the best beings that can walk this earth, they love mankind, they do so much good.

Now, to truely answer yourquestion i would have to write a book, so...how can i put this?...hmm....One must look at when a Religion came to be, why, how, and the results of it.

I dont want to comdemn everyone on this earth, but my Savior taught that if you reject him you are condemned already. he also tauhgt there is one way to God, by him.

Now if you dont believe this i can understnad why you follow another religion. Many dont understnad Jesus, they either dont beleive, dont have enough facts about him, dont know the prophecy about him...there are so many things to consider. I consider Christinaity to be very valid, but i wont put other religions down and stomp on the, all people have reasons for being a certain religion(most is out of tradition). One must search for the truth themselves, especially if it is brought to you.
 

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Jerrell said:
Some look literally at the BIble, Some look at it as a Whole book of Fantasy and Fairy Tales. Others look at it in a Philoshpical way. Others just look at it as good vs. Evil. Some look at it is Firgurative. There are so many ways, but when u actually try to understand the whole bible. If you are truely saved and the Holy Spirit guides you. That is when u can understand.

Like I've said... the Holy Spirit is not a proof! It is not evidence! It is stipulation, like all other stipulations! Beliefs cannot prove other beliefs!

Jerrell said:
I am not saying everyone who doesn't see what i see is wrong. There is a reason to beleive ANYTHING in this world. A Atheist has his reasons, Mormons have their reason. Muslims have their reasons. We should look at these reasons and see if they are valid without having a descrepency aginast them.

One thing we can agree on! :D
 

Jerrell

Active Member
finalfrogo said:
Your victory over temptation does not prove the validity of the Bible... :confused:

Furthermore, how can you prove your notion that the holy spirit is supporting me in your beliefs? Consider this situation: The Holy Spirit has guided me in my study, which has revealed to me that everything in the Bible is completely false. What do we do now? (Also, it should be noted that the existence of the Holy Spirit itself is one of your beliefs; you are using beliefs to validate beliefs instead of facts and logic.)



1. There are various possibilities for such prophecies.

a) The prophecy may have been written after it was fulfilled to give the illusion of validity.

b) Also, many prophecies are vague and have only been fulfilled to a slight degree. If the entire prophecy does not come true, then the entire prophecy must be considered false.

c) Thirdly, a historical person may have purposely attempted to attribute that prophecy to his own life; thus making him seem significant to others.

2. Accuracy? Based on what? There are various inconsistencies and illogical statements in the Bible... where do you see "Accuracy"?

3. There happens to be plenty of goodness within Buddhists, for example. This, however, does not attest to the validity of Buddhist scriptures. Nor can such reasoning apply to any religion, including Christianity.

4. How does the goodness of God prove the Bible? I think the goodness of God proves the Koran. What do we do now?


That is not all true. But the Valaditity of the BIble rests on your Faith and understnading of it. Which if u dont understand it, you may question it.

a) This is possible for some Prophecies such as the naming of Cyrus, but some books were written Thousands of years before it ever happened. There were over 300 Messianic Prophecies of the Messiah, Jesus completed EVERY SINGLE ONE, even the Place of Birth. Also keep in Mind Many books were written hundreds or even thousands of years before the contents were fulfilled.

b) Some things such as the rebuilding of the temple has not been accomplished. Now 300 Years ago Jesus hadn't come yet, should all the prophecies then become flase? There is a time span and Prp[hecy has its place on it. There is a time for all things.

c) a HIstorical person cannot Accomplishes HUndredns of Peophecies if he is not the Actual fulfiller of it. Your reasoning of this is only to deny The Bible.

2. Give me one error. There are none.

3. **IMPORTANT**During the Vietnam War(they are all Buddist, even the Communist) They killed their own citizens, and even riased guns to a Christain's head and told him to give up Jesus Christ, They shot his wife when she said no, And then shot his son when he said no. The Father said no but they kept him as a slave. He finally escaped and lives in a Refugee camp. The Only people over there to help them(the Christians and Buddist in the camp) Are only Christians. Buddisht wont help becuase the teachings of Buddah restrict it. Is this good? no. Now if the Written word of the religion demands certain actions, and gives prohecy of how one should act, such as act in love, kindness, gentileness, meekness, these are the actions and ways of a true christian, these mean something and it does validate the scripture, wethereu beleive it or not does not make the Scripture false.

4. The goodness of God is diffrent from Islam. The God of Christians and Jews was good enough to send a Savior to save all the World. While the God of Islam sent no Savior nor did he have a son. Now the God of Christians and Jews had a Son, his name was Jesus, this is contradictory...(^_^)
 

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Jerrell said:
5. The Bible is not the "word of God", Jesus is the Word of God, now if u want to understand the phrase, what God Speaks is his word. And this word is written which is the Holy Scripture, which is now the Bible. The Bible does not Contradict, you must understand the Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew words to know this. There are no Contradictions in the Bible. Which is the Spoken word of God.

Your own argument is contradictory! Examine:

Jerrell said:
The Bible is not the "word of God"

Jerrell said:
There are no Contradictions in the Bible. Which is the Spoken word of God.



Jerrell said:
The Bible does not Contradict, you must understand the Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew words to know this.

So are you saying that the Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew versions are so different than the English version, that they contain virtually no mistakes? I sincerely doubt that there is such a massive discrepancy. If so, one must doubt the accuracy of the English versions, as well as many other translations.
 

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Jerrell said:
But what gets me angry is when u express your opinion but wont accpet it even when the BIble or Philosophy rpooves you wrong...they wont listen to the other person....

However, the Bible is subject to your interpretations. Therefore, the Bible does not disprove one's believes; another's interpretation of it disproves one's beliefs.
 

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Jerrell said:
b) Some things such as the rebuilding of the temple has not been accomplished. Now 300 Years ago Jesus hadn't come yet, should all the prophecies then become flase? There is a time span and Prp[hecy has its place on it. There is a time for all things.

If a prophecy is considered fulfilled, yet the events do not match EXACTLY as the prophecy depicted them, how can the prophecy be trusted?
 

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Jerrell said:
3. **IMPORTANT**During the Vietnam War(they are all Buddist, even the Communist) They killed their own citizens, and even riased guns to a Christain's head and told him to give up Jesus Christ, They shot his wife when she said no, And then shot his son when he said no. The Father said no but they kept him as a slave. He finally escaped and lives in a Refugee camp. The Only people over there to help them(the Christians and Buddist in the camp) Are only Christians. Buddisht wont help becuase the teachings of Buddah restrict it. Is this good? no. Now if the Written word of the religion demands certain actions, and gives prohecy of how one should act, such as act in love, kindness, gentileness, meekness, these are the actions and ways of a true christian, these mean something and it does validate the scripture, wethereu beleive it or not does not make the Scripture false.

Three subjects: Inquisition, Crusades, "Witch"-Burning. Look into them.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
finalfrogo said:
If the Great Flood actually happened...

...where did the water come from?
...how could Noah fit all those animals on the ark (considering that there are currently at least 3 million animal species on earth. Even without the aquatic animals, the number would still be absurdly substanial.)
...how could Noah gather all the animals within such a short time? If they came to him, how could they have travelled such a distance in such a short time?
...why would God (being omniscient) create humans to begin with, if He knew that they would upset Him, and eventually cause Him to murder nearly all of them?

1)Keep in mind God has all power. Floods happen all the time, and if the water can't leave the land it will flood all the land totally. Did you know there is archealogical evidence for a World Flood?

2) The Ark was very huge, VERY VERY HUGE. He only took 2 of each animal type. Keep in mind He only took 2 of each animal, not species.

3) It was not a Short time, It took Noah and his sons Years probably decades to build the Ark. It was that big. While he was building God brought all the animals to him, Noah himself did not go out and get all the animals.

4)Why would you have a child if u knew he would end up hating you? God loved his creation and though he knew they would turn on him, he also knew the good to come out of it. If he didn't create us, Me and you would not be here, therefore we couldn't go to heaven and dwell with him. Our ultimate exisstance is to serve God, he created us for that reason.

5) Now the reason God flooded the Earth was not only because of men. The Watchers(angels) who were sent by God took human form and slept with women. All of God's Creation was immoral except for Noah. They were partiers, atheist, homosexuals, thery were just dirty people. They even had gang rapes. Now then These beings who were not meant to be on earth were here, making it even worse. Fotr these Two reasons God Destroyed creation, but saved it still. inside the Ark.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
finalfrogo said:
Three subjects: Inquisition, Crusades, "Witch"-Burning. Look into them.

I know the Subjects....

There are radicals, yes, these are not true christians, they dont even observe the laws of God. The Inquisitions were dnoe by Catholics, not christians(^_^)...Keep in mind the Muslims did the Crusades before the Christians, and also know the Popes cuased the Crusades. The POpe told the Soldiers who had sinned a great sin, that if they went on the crusade they would go to Heaven, this is a lie, you dont go to heaven for that reason, and the Pope can't tell u u are going to heaven anyway, he is not God.

Some of Christian history is bad, but dont let Hypocrit Christians fog your few of the true Christian. Christian is Christ-like, if history if not christ-lik it is not christian. Plus Dont focus on the Bad, Focus also on the good. Christians Founded America, look how much good America has done(forget the present...lol).
 

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Jerrell said:
4. The goodness of God is diffrent from Islam. The God of Christians and Jews was good enough to send a Savior to save all the World. While the God of Islam sent no Savior nor did he have a son. Now the God of Christians and Jews had a Son, his name was Jesus, this is contradictory...(^_^)

You're trying to sidestep my point: That your belief in the goodness of God does not validate your beliefs.

Furthermore, just because the Christian/Jewish God sent a "Savior" to die, this does not imply that your god is superior to other gods.

Take religion A. Religion A believes that God sent a Savior to each population all around the globe, to confirm that every one would have the potential of being saved. Is the God of Religion A more compassionate?
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Jerrell said:
1)Keep in mind God has all power. Floods happen all the time, and if the water can't leave the land it will flood all the land totally. Did you know there is archealogical evidence for a World Flood?

I'd like to see that

Jerrell said:
2) The Ark was very huge, VERY VERY HUGE. He only took 2 of each animal type. Keep in mind He only took 2 of each animal, not species.

Yet if you read the King James Version, he takes seven of every unclean animal, and two of every clean animal. What do you have to say about that?
 
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