Hello Vinayaka:
OK - a couple of questions...
- You write about fear as a Chakra and Muladara as Chaktra .... what is the difference?
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Hello Vinayaka:
OK - a couple of questions...
- You write about fear as a Chakra and Muladara as Chaktra .... what is the difference?
I´m a little confused with what you mean about Chakras presenting themselves?
Kundalini movement is a slow process that starts at the bottom of your spine and moves upwards. It wouldn´t start at the crown Chakra.
If you feel pressure in your head when you meditate, I advice to take it very slow, don´t force anything.
Maya
There is no way I can make any comparison based on your faith's teaching as I have absolutely no sense of Christian mysticism whatsoever. Maybe early mystics verified the same thing independently, and maybe they didn't. I do know that knowledge of chakras in Hinduism have been around for a very long time, but I wish in many ways it would have been kept secret, (open to those who are actually ready) as I think the exploration for those not ready has caused a ton pf pain.
There is no harm in keeping things away from the general public, just as there is no harm in people not knowing where all the gold is in a temple, or a house.
You do seem quite sincere and polite about it though, so there is room for communication, I think. I was just off at my local temple beseeching Ganesha so that's the reason for any delay in responding.
Here's the link to lower chakra info from my deleted post. The Chakras - वेद Veda
With this, the thread certainly belongs to Comparative religions of General Religious Forum. May I request the Mods to kindly consider it moving to one of those forums.Hello Vinayaka --- I can totally relate to that statement, but from a different cultural perspective. And to your description of the map vs. actually traveling the road. There are parallels within the Christian tradition. So ... what you are saying makes sense to me (on one level).
If you have a fixation, then that shows a deficiency in meditation.But... I'm afraid my complete ignorance of these things is already side tracking me. For instance, going back to the Christian tradition. I grew up in this tradition, and absorbed it just by living it. ... so... it is quite easy for me to see how a constant fixation on the Crucifixion, for example, might derail me from actually drawing closer to Christ. I grew up with the Crucifixion, it's so much a part of my religious culture that it is a part of who I am. It's not necessary for me to fixate on the Crucifixion for it to have power in my life. It has power in my life, simply because it's always been a part of my life.
Actually my very first experience with this, the Kundalini shot like a double helix spiraling upward - actually whiplashing my body, - and when I came back up to meditative position, - it felt like the energy was shooting out of the top of my head, - and curling back downward - like a fountain, - and making a circuit through my body.
I've written about this, here, before. This first experience scared the hell out of me. LOL!
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The sushumna current is the core group of nadis where kundalini rises. Coiled around this current are the ida (feminine) and pingala (masculine) currents. Kundalini cannot go up either of those so the goal is to get so balanced, neither overly emotional, not overly rational, so that kundalini can go where it's supposed to go. But again ... with extreme caution. The chakras don't really pay a role, they're just sort of stepping stones along the way. The goal in Hinduism is to be quiet ... quiet the mind, quiet the flow. We don't want to have active minds or fast spinning chakras. It's like a potter's wheel, or a spinning lathe ... there's a rate that is optimal.
Merging with Siva, Chapter 38: Powers of the Spine
Then you come to the sixth chakra, which is the mind. We have overdeveloped the mind – we’re all centered on this chakra and we’ve neglected the lower chakras, but we must learn to integrate. It’s no good giving up the mind. The mind has a controlling force and we must use it. All Western science is of great value and we must make use of it. But we must not stop with that. The mind must be integrated with the heart, with the emotions, and with the sexual and physical energies, and finally and above all, with the whole organism. The body and soul have to be opened up to the transcendent. The Tantriks call it the thousand petalled lotus at the crown of the head. You have to open up your whole being, and your being with others, and your being with the universe – open up to the transcendent mystery that in our Christian tradition is “coming down”. The Spirit descends; it came down upon the Apostles at Pentecost. And if we open ourselves to the Spirit, this rushing Spirit comes down upon us. And that is transforming, and that is how the human being is transformed.
When you let your whole being let go and open itself up, you allow in the power of the Spirit, the energy that is in the creation, in the whole of humanity, in the soul, in the body, and yet that transcends it all. I like to relate this to the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately in our Christian tradition we have no feminine aspect of God. It’s because we come out of a patriarchal tradition in which God the Father is a masculine image. The Son is a masculine image, and even the Holy Spirit (though the word is neuter in Greek, it’s masculine in Latin) is still “He, the Holy Spirit.”
But there is no reason why we should not think of and image God the Supreme as Mother. Many people are doing that today …..
Father Griffiths was very controversial both in Catholic circles and in Hindu circles. He was lucky not to have been excommunicated, and many Hindus were against his stealing of Hindu concepts. Sita Ram Goel's treatise 'Sannyasins or Swindlers' goes into great detail on it, if you're interested.
Catholic ashrams: Sannyasins or swindlers?: Sita Ram Goel: 9788185990156: Amazon.com: Books
But, it says something about the truth of this energy, that you call sushumna. Sushumna must be quite real, for it is capable of presenting itself to someone who has no idea that it's there.
Vinayaka and Maya, both, thank you .... your willingness to have this conversation with me means more than you can possibly know....
Catholic Church will not excommunicate a person whom they think is capable of sowing seeds of conflict in the mind of people following other religions. We are not looking for common ground.Had he been excommunicated by the Catholic church, ..
The pingala current is quite different. Blue in color, it is the current of the intellect, flowing mostly through the right side of the body. When the pure life energy is flowing through the pingala current, we are not as conscious that we have a physical body. We are aware in the mind. We are inquisitive. We like to talk a lot. We like to argue. We like to reason. We enjoy discussion. It is the intellectual current. We like to read. We like to memorize the opinions of other people. We like to memorize our own opinions and tell them to other people. We like to do business. When the energy is flowing through the pingala, we do not emote much. We think over our emotions. We analyze our feelings and thoughts. This is the aggressive human current.
People living in this current do not pay much attention to the physical body. They let it take care of itself. They also are inclined to let other people do the emoting. They become powerfully strong in that aggressive type of intellectual force. When we are in the pingala current, we are headstrong, somewhat pushy, pushing ideas across to other people, and inclined to be argumentative. We have a strong facility of reasoning. It is a very positive and powerful current.
Hello Folks:
I'm not sure where to start with this, so I'll just plunge right in. I've decades of experience meditating. My path has been Christian Mysticism.
Although I've heard of Chakras I've never really given them much thought. They've not been "on my path" so-to-speak.
But, in the last few years, Chakras have started to present themselves along my path. I became aware that Chakras in the first place, because of my meditation. Some years ago, during meditation, I started to feel a tingling in my forehead. A friend of mine (who is a massage therapist) told me that it was my "third eye". I didn't know what that was, and asked her about it. Then she told me about Chakras. But, still even though the Chakra presented itself in my meditation, I didn't really pursue it.
Anyway in the last year or so other energy things are showing up in my life. The first energy signs to show up have been tingling in my palms and at the bottom of my feet. This is a continuous thing. I have noticed that if I pick up a picture of someone I love, put my hands over the picture and intentionally send healing energy and love their way, that the tingling diminishes.
I've sort of taken all this in stride, and not really pursued it further. But then a month, or so ago, another Chakra presented itself to me. And now I'm thinking I should be more intentional in learning about these things.
The latest Chakra to present itself is the crown Chakra.Currently I am going through a trying spiritual journey and have been praying for guidance. Specifically guidance to come to me in my dreams. Then one night I had a very vivid dream. The crux of which follows:
In my dream there was a lot of pressure in my head, and I was feeling a lot of pain. Then there was this very strong male hand holding a drill. The hand was over the crown of my head, as I lay down. Then the hand drilled through my crown - releasing all the pressure.I woke immediately after this vivid dream - much of the spiritual pressure I've been feeling had eased - and I was feeling tingling in my crown. So I thought it might be a chakra and looked it up. Sure enough it is. I've found music to help heal the crown Chakra and that music has been helpful to my overall meditation.
But, I'm thinking I need to learn more about all of this, and that is why I'm starting this thread. The thing is, my background is western. I don't understand the eastern traditions, religions, mythologies, and languages. So.. please if you want to help .... keep this in mind.
Thanks in advance - Open_Minded
Namaste,
Yoga is an authentic path and kundalini Yoga deals with chakras.
My apologies for not reading all the responses of you and other members. I have done these kind of meditations and I do have the feeling you you had about 3rd eye and of crown chakra
When you chant God's name you crown chakra activates. So there is downfall or descent of divine energy from above. Thats why you experience tingling sensation. When you have a spiritual emotion like strong faith in God or strong surrender to almighty, then heart chakra opens up i.e. gets activated. When both these chakras are activated there is tremendous flow of energy.
I dont know what kind of meditation you practice, but generally if you tune your self with divine energy, then your aura expands. This divine flow flushes all negative energies. You need to release excess energy, else sometimes your body cannot absorb too much of energy. Hence when you send love (energy) then the sensation stops.
I had practised Pranic Healing and it helped me in understanding what are chakras and about energy body and other subtle bodies.
There is another path called Kriya Yoga in which a Guru activates your Kundalini. Paramhansa Harharananda's Kriya Yoga which is now carreid on by his enlightenend disciple Paramhansa Prajnanananda is very effective.
Pranic Healing is non-traditional technique. But later courses have Kaballah Meditation. They have taken some elements from Buddhism, Hinduism, Kaballah and may be Gnostism. They have a meditation on Twin Hearts, which is a good one.
Chakras are there and you can see them, and even smell the energies, feel the texture of energies and some can even hear the sound of chakras's rotation. They rotate in clockwise and anti-clockwise direction alternatively. When they move clockwise, they absorb energy from atmosphere and send it to the body parts they control to and when they move anti-clockwise, they expel used up energy from the body parts. It all happens in energy body or prANamaya koSa or aura.
Better meditate on Heart chakra, which is at centre of chest. You wont feel heavy. Heart chakra is activated when you are in pleasant mood or recall happy memories or have strong faith in God and when you surrender to God. Touching center of chest with fingers also helps activates heart chakra. Similarly covering your head with a cloth like shawl helps activates crown chakra. When you meditate, please keep an insulator like a cloth or a cushion or meditate on chair in sitting posture or on bed in crossed leg / Lotus posture. This helps preserve energy.
If you wish to know more, please approach both these techniques. Pranic Healing teaches you to experience and activate your chakras and be aware of them. It has good tool called scanning. Only thing is it is non-traditional, while Kriya Yoga is an old technique revived by Sri Lahiri Mahashaya via Mahavatar Babaji.
Another authentic Yoga is Laya Yoga of Nath Sampradaya of Guru Gorakhnath, a great Yogi and disciple of a great Yogi Guru Matsyendranath / Machindranath. They too deal in chakras.
Just to inform you that if you try too hard to focus on 3rd eye, you may get a headache. So if it happens spontaneously, then it is ok, but if you force yourself to activate 3rd eye, it will cause a problem. Better learn from a master or a guru then to ask in public forums. Trust me, this is not a thing to simply do R & D. You need a Guru who can control your chakras and energy flow and correct it if anything goes wrong.
Always pray to God to guide you. This helps you a lot and covers your mistakes.
Oh and yes, dreams and not just dreams. They are a medium through which spiritually developed beings contact you and guide you. Spiritual dreams are not illusions, but they point to something. It doesn't matter if you understand them or not, but generally when you wake up after the dream is over, you are fresh. It is best time to meditate , no matter what time it is.
I hope this helps.
OM