"The kingdom of God is within you"

savagewind · Feb 9, 2015

I suppose I might not know what sin means. This is what I have: an offense against moral law. Moral law is 1. love neighbor as self and 2. reap what is sown.

When I have enough money to have a vacation but I know someone who can't pay the rent but who works hard and I go on a vacation I am breaking moral law. How am I not? Breaking moral law is sinning imo. Am I wrong?

savagewind · Feb 9, 2015

I hear talking to myself is a sin. Is it?

lovemuffin · Feb 9, 2015

I hope not.

savagewind · Feb 9, 2015

I think impatience is a sin.

Johnlove · Feb 10, 2015

savagewind said:
I didn't say I do not have a problem. I shall tell you my problem. I know how to reason in an unreasoning world and I don't know how to find a place where other people can reason.

Paul said something about a spiritual person’s message being foolishness to the wise in the world.

Personally if any action on my part is in doubt as to if it is a wrongdoing or not, I personally ask Jesus what he would have me do. I am always given the grace to do as God tells me to do.

(1 Corinthians 3:16-20) “Do you not realize that you are a temple of God with the Spirit of God living in you? If anybody should destroy the temple of God, God will destroy that person, because God's temple is holy; and you are that temple. There is no room for self-delusion. Any one of you who thinks he is wise by worldly standards must learn to be a fool in order to be really wise. For the wisdom of the world is folly to God. As scripture says: He traps the crafty in the snare of their own cunning and again: The Lord knows the plans of the wise and how insipid they are.”

savagewind · Feb 10, 2015

Johnlove said:
Paul said something about a spiritual person’s message being foolishness to the wise in the world.

Personally if any action on my part is in doubt as to if it is a wrongdoing or not, I personally ask Jesus what he would have me do. I am always given the grace to do as God tells me to do.

(1 Corinthians 3:16-20) “Do you not realize that you are a temple of God with the Spirit of God living in you? If anybody should destroy the temple of God, God will destroy that person, because God's temple is holy; and you are that temple. There is no room for self-delusion. Any one of you who thinks he is wise by worldly standards must learn to be a fool in order to be really wise. For the wisdom of the world is folly to God. As scripture says: He traps the crafty in the snare of their own cunning and again: The Lord knows the plans of the wise and how insipid they are.”

Please explain your own words "To be in Jesus one can’t sin."

Please focus on the word "can't". Do not explain it with another scripture. Just tell me what you mean. Do you understand the question?

Do you mean should not sin? I agree. But a person doesn't have to be with, for or in Jesus to should not sin. Nobody should sin. OK?

savagewind · Feb 10, 2015

Can't; cannot; can not - meaning to be unable to do otherwise than. Not able. Define able: having the power, skill, means, or opportunity to do something.

So I hear you say only in Jesus should a person not sin. That can't be true.

savagewind · Feb 10, 2015

When a person confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior the person can no longer go about sinning and think that he is also for The Lord. But everyone sins. If a person does not sin he won't die. Right? Then we can go on and talk about the belief that a person doesn't die but I do not want to.

savagewind · Feb 10, 2015

Dear John this is what you say on your profile page

Jesus called me into his ministry. Jesus has taught me. I am a prophet.

But you say "To be in Jesus one can’t sin."
Reasonable people know it is not possible to be sinless. So then your message is nobody is in Jesus. Which is of course true because Jesus is someone who comes to us not we to him.

Are you going to explain what it means? Please? If you do not know what I mean then please ask Jesus.

Johnlove · Feb 10, 2015

savagewind said:
Dear John this is what you say on your profile page

But you say "To be in Jesus one can’t sin."
Reasonable people know it is not possible to be sinless. So then your message is nobody is in Jesus. Which is of course true because Jesus is someone who comes to us not we to him.

Are you going to explain what it means? Please? If you do not know what I mean then please ask Jesus.

Johnlove · Feb 10, 2015

“Reasonable people know it is not possible to be sinless”

So you don’t believe Apostle John was reasonable?

(1 John 3:9) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”

Paul in Romans seven told us just how impossible it is for one not to sin.

That is true, but a Spiritual Christian is no longer one.

A Spiritual Christian has been able through the teaching, and grace given to him or her to live God’s Commandments.

Because one is living God’s Commandments, and in so doing proves to God that he or she loves him. God makes a home in him or her.

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

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There is no way that Satan/sin can ever enter God’s home.

savagewind · Feb 10, 2015

"go on sinning" is not the same as sinning. Everyone sins.
1 John 3:9 1 John 3:9 Greek Text Analysis
Πᾶς
ὁ
γεγεννημένος
ἐκ
τοῦ
Θεοῦ
ἁμαρτίαν
οὐ
ποιεῖ, "practice"
ὅτι
σπέρμα
αὐτοῦ
ἐν
αὐτῷ
μένει·
καὶ
οὐ
δύναται
ἁμαρτάνειν "to continue sinning"*
ὅτι
ἐκ
τοῦ
Θεοῦ
γεγέννηται

* ἁμαρτάνειν Perhaps from a (as a negative particle) and the base of meros; properly, to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), i.e. (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin -- for your faults, offend, sin, trespass.

The difference between sinning (we all sin) and continuing in sinning (what the world apart from Christ does) is AIM.

It is not The World's aim to discontinue sinning. It is the aim of a true believer to discontinue sinning. But we ALL sin.

Perhaps the translation of ἁμαρτάνειν can be better understood as to aim at the mark. It is OK when we miss it because we will miss it many, many times. But it means we are shooting at the mark. The World does not acknowledge the mark. Followers of Christ Jesus do. That is what it it means. Why doesn't it?

savagewind · Feb 10, 2015

[QUOTE="Johnlove, post: 4162937, member: 54958"
There is no way that Satan/sin can ever enter God’s home. [/QUOTE]

One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. Job 1:6

Johnlove · Feb 10, 2015

savagewind said:
[QUOTE="Johnlove, post: 4162937, member: 54958"
There is no way that Satan/sin can ever enter God’s home.

One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. Job 1:6[/QUOTE]
Yes and did they meet Jesus in the kingdom of God?

Do you believe Jesus would make a home in the same residence as Satan?

savagewind · Feb 10, 2015

The sin of The World is the denying of The Son of God as Lord and Savior. That is the sin a believer does not do. (1John 3:9)

But to say a believer in The Lord does not sin is a lie.
1 John 1:8
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
Proverbs 20:9
Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin"?
Jeremiah 2:35
you say, 'I am innocent; he is not angry with me.' But I will pass judgment on you because you say, 'I have not sinned.'
James 3:2
We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
1 Kings 8:46
"When they sin against you--for there is no one who does not sin--and you become angry with them and give them over to their enemies, who take them captive to their own lands, far away or near;

savagewind · Feb 10, 2015

Johnlove said:
One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. Job 1:6
Yes and did they meet Jesus in the kingdom of God?

Do you believe Jesus would make a home in the same residence as Satan?

Do I believe Satan has a residence? No.

Gerald Kelleher · Feb 10, 2015

Oh come off it - that is a wonderful narrative and Satan disappears once the bet is made leaving Job to plunge into a real kingdom that his outward circumstances kept at bay. The most productive and creative people adore The Book of Job as a journey in the opposite direction to meditation and no lamb is ever going to lie down with a lion in these symbolic works. In short, behind the bright and shiny exterior of contemporary lifestyles, how much pretense disguises an unstable and dysfunctional society in many areas and especially science.

Job, from The holy Bible, King James version

I rarely recommend a commentary insofar as my home is in the dazzling Johanine work that is the Book of Revelation which does not admit those who haven't experienced a more interesting imitation of the life of Christ however I admired Mitchell's introduction to The Book Of Job as lively enough and fit for purpose, at least for the present audience -

The Book of Job | Stephen Mitchell

In contrast, the last Book of the Bible is incomparable as an influence for it does so much with so little beyond all the swirling distractions, mathematical clues, torrid events and so on. They are not remote events but come from the heart of things as long as the Christian is willing to throw themselves into a discomfort zone to use modern phrasing.

savagewind · Feb 10, 2015

Do I believe Satan is welcome in God's presence? I do. Job 1:6 and the command to love one's enemies.

Johnlove · Feb 10, 2015

savagewind said:
Do I believe Satan has a residence? No.

Did I ask you that?

Jesus makes a home in a person, then that person is in the kingdom of God. Where God makes a home that is his kingdom.

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

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Satan is not allowed in God’s kingdom.

Gerald Kelleher · Feb 10, 2015

savagewind said:
Do I believe Satan is welcome in God's presence? I do. Job 1:6 and the command to love one's enemies.

"He who loves his enemies betrays his friends. This surely is not what Jesus intends" Blake

58. The Everlasting Gospel by William Blake. Nicholson & Lee, eds. 1917. The Oxford Book of English Mystical Verse

Not even love your neighbor as yourself survives during a Christian's journey for those who are meant to take it -

"Those who love their life in this world will lose it. Those who care nothing for their life in this world will keep it for eternity." John 12

The great problem among Christians here is that they cobble different passages together to affirm or deny something but the books of the Bible are from different eras,address different society and different levels of understanding. You don't give engineering drawings for building a satellite to a person putting together a burger but who is to say the burger guy is not happier than the satellite builder - horses for courses so to speak.

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