Deity of Jesus Christ

Desert Snake · Aug 28, 2014

To answer the OP question, yes, Jesus is God. Jesus in man form was part human, that's why we get the seemingly confusing titles of 'God' and 'man' for Jesus, in different passages. This is also why Jesus prayed to the Father, albeit because He was in man form as He walked among us. The 'problem' with "divine but not God' concept is that the Bible relates Jesus to God, not some 'other' spirit or entity. God manifested via the Spirit through Mary, thus Jesus is either part God in man form, or the Bible is incorrect.

Another testament to the different nature of Yeshu's Spirit from ours is that His baptism is totally different..John the Baptist was man, like us, so his baptisms were with water, they were symbolic, the Bible indicates that Jesus baptized through the Spirit...big difference.

Glaurung · Aug 28, 2014

Saint Frankenstein said:
This board is so weird. All almost all of the world's 2 billion Christians are Trinitarians but this board would have you believe that it's split down the middle.

Unconventional beliefs will always be overrepresented relative to the general population in forum of this nature.

John Martin · Aug 28, 2014

Freducator said:
Is Jesus Christ divine?

This might seem like something all Christians would answer "Yes" to, but certain Unitarian and other non-Nicene Christians, such as myself, would respond otherwise.

So, here goes a poll.

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First we have to describe who God is? There is a description in the Indian tradition: sat.
Sat means a self existing being. Its existence does not depend on any other being. It has no beginning and an end. Any object that has a beginning and an end is called asat.

So the question is : is Jesus Christ divine? Jesus Christ as a physical being had a beginning and an end. so in this sense he was not God,he was asat.But he also realized that in the ground of his being he was one with God: the Father and I are one. Hence Jesus Christ is both sat and asat, Divine and Human. To say he is only divine is half truth. To say he is only human is half truth. In one level he is fully divine and another level he is fully human. His humanity was a vehicle for his divinity. This is Christian Faith. Of course Christianity keeps this provision only for Christ. There are religions(advaitic tradition of Hinduism) which opens this possibility to everyone.

Sees · Aug 28, 2014

I'm slightly tempted to vote yes just to steer it back towards a proper Christian only vote percentage

Aside from JW's, it seems all Christians accounted for do vote yes - as to be expected.

Shiranui117 · Aug 28, 2014

Sees said:
I'm slightly tempted to vote yes just to steer it back towards a proper Christian only vote percentage Aside from JW's, it seems all Christians accounted for do vote yes - as to be expected.

Yeah, only three Christians voted no.

Eileen · Dec 8, 2014

What is your definition of a Christian? Are only those who accept Yeshua as God, Christians or does accepting him as Messiah count?

Shiranui117 · Dec 13, 2014

I would honestly hold up the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed as the standard for defining a Christian in terms of religion. Gnostics claim to be Christian, but their worldview is radically different from the Christian viewpoint as expressed in the New Testament and the writings of the Apostolic Fathers. Muslims claim to be more Christian than we Christians ourselves, and sure they hold up Jesus as a prophet that they follow, but that's just a rhetorical talking point. They're not followers of Christ, they're followers of Muhammad.

I would say that Messianic Jews can most certainly lay claim to the title of "Christian", even if they are not a Christian as defined by the undivided Christian Church of the first four hundred years of Christian history. I put Messianic Jews in a class of their own. Their acceptance of Him as Messiah, while continuing to honor their Jewish roots, is a venerable thing. I admire it, and sometimes sympathize with it and am tempted to embrace some of the Law voluntarily.

Eileen · Dec 13, 2014

What about a Jew or Gentile who accepts Yeshua as Messiah but not as God?

Shiranui117 · Dec 13, 2014

Eileen said:
What about a Jew or Gentile who accepts Yeshua as Messiah but not as God?

If they earnestly follow Jesus, live by His example and love Him, they can be called Christian, but not in the orthodox sense.

Eileen · Dec 13, 2014

So I am a Christian just an unorthodox one.

RedDragon94 · Jan 5, 2015

Freducator said:
The Spirit leads me to the truth that God and Jesus were not one, so I regard passages of Scripture that claim otherwise as errant.

Okay, so, you do realize that the same spirit that prompted the writers of the Bible is the same spirit that resides in all Christians? Because of this the Bible cannot say anything that the Spirit of God doesn't allow. Here's a couple of verses just to solidify that. (2 Peter 1:21, John 1:1-2) How can Jesus be with God in the beginning if he is not divine?

kjw47 · Jan 5, 2015

RedDragon94 said:
Okay, so, you do realize that the same spirit that prompted the writers of the Bible is the same spirit that resides in all Christians? Because of this the Bible cannot say anything that the Spirit of God doesn't allow. Here's a couple of verses just to solidify that. (2 Peter 1:21, John 1:1-2) How can Jesus be with God in the beginning if he is not divine?

1Cor 1:30)Proverbs 8-------- 22---Produced me( created first and last direct)
goes on to say--- grew especially fond of me( Jesus)

That is why Jesus and all his real teachers teach this truth--the most taught truth in the nt---- Jesus has a God( like we do) his Father( YHWH(Jehovah)----- John 20:17, Rev 3:12----- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6,----- 1Peter 1:3----John at Rev 1:6---many other spots.---- all in 100% agreement. with this result--1Cor 15:24-28--- at the conclusion of Jesus millennial reign, he hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself---------forever.

RedDragon94 · Jan 5, 2015

kjw47 said:
1Cor 1:30)Proverbs 8-------- 22---Produced me( created first and last direct)
goes on to say--- grew especially fond of me( Jesus)

That is why Jesus and all his real teachers teach this truth--the most taught truth in the nt---- Jesus has a God( like we do) his Father( YHWH(Jehovah)----- John 20:17, Rev 3:12----- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6,----- 1Peter 1:3----John at Rev 1:6---many other spots.---- all in 100% agreement. with this result--1Cor 15:24-28--- at the conclusion of Jesus millennial reign, he hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself---------forever.

And because Jesus has a God that means he himself can't be divine? Why does God give the authority of the kingdom over to Jesus if he's not divine?

kjw47 · Jan 5, 2015

RedDragon94 said:
And because Jesus has a God that means he himself can't be divine? Why does God give the authority of the kingdom over to Jesus if he's not divine?

Daniel 7:13-15) Jesus was appointed king for a millennial reign---God was already king-- thus if Jesus were God he was already king--but he had to be appointed by the ancient of days-Jehovah)--this is Jesus' God and Father-John 4:22-24

Jehovah does all of it--through Jesus-Acts 2:22

jeager106 · Jan 6, 2015

kjw47 said:
Daniel 7:13-15) Jesus was appointed king for a millennial reign---God was already king-- thus if Jesus were God he was already king--but he had to be appointed by the ancient of days-Jehovah)--this is Jesus' God and Father-John 4:22-24

Jehovah does all of it--through Jesus-Acts 2:22

Yes. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this. Just another fine example of scripture refuting the
pagan trinity doctrine that has infected God's word.
Signs of pagan influence permeate chritstondom.

kjw47 · Jan 6, 2015

jeager106 said:
Yes. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this. Just another fine example of scripture refuting the
pagan trinity doctrine that has infected God's word.
Signs of pagan influence permeate chritstondom.

And alls they had to do was believe Jesus. I don't understand why they wont. I am happy you have.

Johnlove · Jan 20, 2015

1John 1: 1) “In the beginning was the Word: the Word was with God and the Word was God.”

(1John 1: 1-9) “Something which has existed since the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have watched and touched with our own hands, the Word of life -- this is our theme. That life was made visible; we saw it and are giving our testimony, declaring to you the eternal life, which was present to the Father and has been revealed to us. We are declaring to you what we have seen and heard, so that you too may share our life. Our life is shared with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.----------"

Jesus is God, scripture tells us that is true. Also Jesus told me he is God.

My witness is that I have seen Jesus, and he has called me out by name.

wgw · Jan 24, 2015

Freducator said:
The Spirit leads me to the truth that God and Jesus were not one, so I regard passages of Scripture that claim otherwise as errant.

What Spirit? Paul said "If anyone comes to you preaching another a Gospel than we have taught, even if it is an angel from heaven, let them be anathema."

Fallen angels routinely masquerade as the Holy Spirit in order to deceive; it is one of their preferred means of attack. Read The Screwtape Letters or the Philokalia. Actually being able to discern specific instructions of the Holy Spirit requires years of repentance and labor; in fact, being able to do this makes you a prophet by definition.

Just consider what this looks like from the outside in. You're claimimg "the spirit" without any way of proving its the Holy Spirit or a demon, has told you Jesus is not God, which is what a demon might well say, and as a result you are convinced to the point where you are rejecting those verses in the Bible, even verses which have withstood textual criticism, as erroneous, that seem to say otherwise. And you're trying to propagate this different Gospel (which is different, on account of having verses deprecated or removed) among other Christians. Now going by what Paul said, should that not give you pause?

wgw · Jan 24, 2015

te_lanus said:
As Tertullian says, nowhere does the Scripture say, I am my only beloved Son; today I have begotten myself. The Scripture says, Thou art my beloved Son; today I have begotten you.

Tertullian also accepted all four gospels as canon, coined the term Trinitas in Latin, and later became the member of a rigorist sect, the Montanists, founded by a man claiming to be the Paraclete.

So not the best source for you to cite Id say.

By the way, were you at one time a Processean? Because that looks like their cross, at least the description of it I read.

te_lanus · Jan 25, 2015

wgw said:
By the way, were you at one time a Processean? Because that looks like their cross, at least the description of it I read.

Nope, it's a pentacross and is mostly associated with Christopaganism (and Paganism).

Stole thi pic from here: Amulette - Kreuze - Magie-Esoterik-Versand

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