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Can a gay person be a "good" Christian?
- Thread starter retrorich
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The bible is in Hebrew and Greek. English isn't the bible. English is a translation. The translators bring "God's message" (which I don't believe -- it's the message of the faithful about God) to people in their language. It helps to understand the truth if you know something about the original languages.
Yes
Oh how I love the Word of God!
See Matthew 19:"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'
Did you read that?
Jesus said God made us male and female.
5 and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?
Did you read that?
FOR THIS REASON---a man will leave his father and mother and that the TWO will become ONE FLESH.
The male and female bodies were specifically made to become one flesh.
This shows us easily, plainly, and clearly that homosexuality is not from God.
Did you read that?
Jesus said God made us male and female.
5 and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?
Did you read that?
FOR THIS REASON---a man will leave his father and mother and that the TWO will become ONE FLESH.
The male and female bodies were specifically made to become one flesh.
This shows us easily, plainly, and clearly that homosexuality is not from God.
Yes
Oh how I love the Word of God!
Women were CREATED for MAN.
Men were not created for man. Women were not created for women.
1 Corinthians 11:9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
1 Corinthians 11:11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman.
Did you read that?
A woman cannot, according to the Bible, be independent of man and go with a woman; neither can a man
Men were not created for man. Women were not created for women.
1 Corinthians 11:9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
1 Corinthians 11:11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman.
Did you read that?
A woman cannot, according to the Bible, be independent of man and go with a woman; neither can a man
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
You opined that I was "speaking untruths." I haven't reported you, BTW. I am not "pretty sure you have to learn a different language to talk to me." You ordered me to speak English. I suggested you learn the languages of the bible. What you posted cannot be adequately discussed without resorting to the Greek terms for love that are used in the bible. You were conflating terms, so I had to find a way to separate the terms out from one another. Greek is the only real way to do that.
I don't believe you do "know the truth about the bible." I do see your opinions as fairly unknowledgeable, because you haven't provided anything other than some ephemeral reference to "obedience" to support your fact claims about the texts. When you can back up your claims with something that's got factual teeth, I may change my mind.
Yes
Oh how I love the Word of God!
This is a personal put down, a lie, and against the rules.
I thought I should stay out of this thread because I know little about Xianity. But it occurred to me that I know some gay Xians who are fine folk. So I say yes.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Then homosexuals should be allowed to get married, so they're not forced to fornicate. Why would you want to force people to sin?
These are assumptions by the writer(s) of Genesis, who were ignorant about human sexuality.
Our marriage laws are not the same as their marriage laws.
Homosexuality is part of that natural life.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Then report it. That's what the button is for. If you're correct, then it's also true that telling me I think the scriptures are not plain because I don't obey, is a personal put down, a lie, and against the rules.
It's my opinion (based on what you've posted so far) that you've rather oversimplified the textual meanings. You, yourself, claim that study isn't helpful, because the teachers are "false." Therefore, based on what you, yourself have written, It's not a personal put down or a lie.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Ok. "Sick" by our standards. But by their standards, not so much, if you understand the culture and the social structure. "Sick" is a little provocative and overblown -- and not very helpful. But I get where you're coming from.
gsa
Well-Known Member
I don't doubt it was acceptable by their standards. When an entire society is infected with extreme patriarchy and religious intolerance, actions that are perverse by any reasonable standard seem perfectly acceptable. Provocative and overblown? I say it is a reasonable diagnosis.
More than the one's I know?There's a whole lot of them.
Indeed!