Contradictions in the Bible (I know. I know.)

Carlita said:

I know. I know. This has been beaten to a pulp. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see the hit.

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Jayhawker Soule said:

No, the unfortunate thing is that you resist using the RF Search facility.

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Carlita said:

If you want to help me out in clarifying the "contradictions" I'd be happy to hear.

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savagewind said:

God being the source of all spirits does not mean God is all spirits and some spirits have defected according to God's Word.

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Carlita said:

Since God is the source (or Creator) of all spirits, I would assume we'd test the spirits who disobeyed God?

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Jayhawker Soule said:

Of course you would ...

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savagewind said:

We would test ALL spirits.

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we-live-now said:

Here are some I found. Sorry for grammar errors, I didn't get to clean it up much. Its a work in progress.

Spoiler: Some contradictions I found

How does Peter address Jesus? How does he "know" him? Is he Lord, Teacher or Master?

Let's see. What if it is all three!?!

Mark 9:5 Peter *said to Jesus, "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

The word "Rabbi" is rhabbi: my master, my teacher

http://biblehub.com/greek/4461.htm


In the next verse, he calls him "master"!

Luke 9:33 And as these were leaving Him, Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles: one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah"—not realizing what he was saying.

The word "Master" is epistates: master, teacher

http://biblehub.com/greek/1988.htm


Now, look at Matthew.

Matthew 17:4 Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

The word "Lord" is kurios: lord, master

http://biblehub.com/greek/2962.htm

3 different titles for Jesus from Peter. Why?

Did Paul go to Jerusalem right after his conversion?

Acts 9:19-28 and he took food and was strengthened.

Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus, 20 and immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God." 21 All those hearing him continued to be amazed, and were saying, "Is this not he who in Jerusalem destroyed those who called on this name, and who had come here for the purpose of bringing them bound before the chief priests?" 22 But Saul kept increasing in strength and confounding the Jews who lived at Damascus by proving that this Jesus is the Christ.


23 When many days had elapsed, the Jews plotted together to do away with him, 24 but their plot became known to Saul. They were also watching the gates day and night so that they might put him to death; 25 but his disciples took him by night and let him down through an opening in the wall, lowering him in a large basket.

26 When he came toJerusalem, he was trying to associate with the disciples; but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he was a disciple. 27 But Barnabas took hold of him and brought him to the apostles and described to them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had talked to him, and how at Damascus he had spoken out boldly in the name of Jesus. 28 And he was with them, moving about freely inJerusalem, speaking out boldly in the name of the Lord.

Acts 26:20 but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.

Yes, he did according to Acts above. But, is that the ONLY answer?

Galatians 1:16-19 to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went away to Arabia, and returned once more to Damascus.


18 Then three years later I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Cephas, and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.

No he didn't according to Galatians 1 (until 3 years later).


Who is actually talking here? Paul, Barnabas, Peter or "Simeon"?

Acts 15 Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved." 2 And when Paul and Barnabas had great dissension and debate with them, the brethren determined that Paul and Barnabas and some others of them should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders concerning this issue. 3 Therefore, being sent on their way by the church, they were passing through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the conversion of the Gentiles, and were bringing great joy to all the brethren. 4 When they arrived at Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them. 5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses."

6 The apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter. 7 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; 9 and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11 But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."

12 All the people kept silent, and they were listening to Barnabas and Paul as they were relating what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.

13 After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, "Brethren, listen to me. 14 Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name.

Paul and Barnabas go up to Jerusalem and meet with the Apostles and elders. Peter stood up and starts talking but then it says the people were listening to "Barnabas and Paul". However, then James says that "SIMEON" was talking. How can this be? Is there much more going on here than we can see?


Is Paul still a Pharisee after his conversion?

Acts 23:6 But perceiving that one group were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, Paul began crying out in the Council, "Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees; I am on trial for the hope and resurrection of the dead!"

According to Acts 23:6 he still is long after his conversion.


Will God destroy Elam?

Jeremiah 49:37 ‘So I will shatter Elam before their enemies
And before those who seek their lives;
And I will bring calamity upon them,
Even My fierce anger,’ declares the Lord,
‘And I will send out the sword after them
Until I have consumed them.

Yes, according to Jeremiah 49:37. If "consume" means what we think it does as humans. Or could "consume" mean something totally different than we realize? Let's see verse 39.

Jeremiah 49:39 ‘But it will come about in the last days
That I will restore the fortunes of Elam,’"
Declares the Lord.

No, according to verse 39 above. How could he restore their fortunes if they are "destroyed"? Is it possible we don't really understand the true (spiritual) meaning of "destroyed"? Could God's fire be a HOLY, purifying, refining fire that CAUSES eternal life to be manifest? Could the very thing we think of as death really be true life?

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Carlita said:

Honestly asking, why would we test all spirits. For example, the Holy Spirit comes from God. Do we test that too?

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savagewind said:

Yes. You are assuming when spirit acts justly it is Holy but you have forgotten what is written "Satan transforms into light" (And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 2 Cor 11:14) Holy Spirit is light but satan also comes as light.
Your question says to me you know the difference. Do you? How?

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we-live-now said:

Spoiler: Even more: :)

When did Jesus say this?　　 Or are these the words of John the Baptist?



Acts 1:3-5 To these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God. 4 Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, "Which," He said, "you heard of from Me; 5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

See Matthew 3:11.　 Who is speaking?　 Do the red words above appear anywhere else?



Matthew 3:11 "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Did John recognize Jesus or not?In John 1, John is told to look for the one whom "you see the Spirit descending upon" that is the one who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.




John 1:29-34 　The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’ 31 I did not recognize Him, but so that He might be manifested to Israel, I came baptizing in water." 32 John testified saying, "I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God."


PROBLEM 1:



Matthew 3:13-17 Then Jesus *arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him. 14 But John tried to prevent Him, saying, "I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?" 15 But Jesus answering said to him, "Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he *permitted Him. 16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, 17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."

According to Matthew 3:16, the Spirit does NOT descend upon Jesus until AFTER he is baptized.　 So, John would NOT know who Jesus is until after the Spirit descends according to John 1:33.

PROBLEM 2:　

John ALREADY knows him when he arrives in Matthew 3:14 and tries to prevent him from being baptized.　

After the betrayal, did Peter follow Jesus into the courtyard of the High priest or did he stop at the gate?



Mark 14:54 Peter had followed Him at a distance, right into the courtyard of the high priest; and he was sitting with the officers and warming himself at the fire.

Right into the courtyard, right?　 Let's see what John says.



John 18:15-16 Simon Peter was following Jesus, and so was another disciple. Now that disciple was known to the high priest, and entered with Jesus into the court of the high priest, 16 but Peter was standing at the door outside. So the other disciple, who was known to the high priest, went out and spoke to the doorkeeper, and brought Peter in.

Did Peter follow him into the courtyard or was he standing at the door outside?

Where is a prophet not without honor?　 Let's see what Jesus says himself.



John 4:44 (For Jesus himself had testified that a prophet has no honor in his own hometown.)

In his own hometown, right?　 Jesus testified this himself and he can't lie, can he?　

Look at what Matthew says.



Matthew 13:57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household."

Now Jesus said in Matthew in his own household too.　 Now, let's see what Jesus says in Mark.　 Why is there a difference?

Mark 6:4 And Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household."


Wow!　 What is going on here?　 Jesus is giving us 3 DIFFERENT answers!?!

Who did Christ appear to first?

1 Corinthians 15 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

According to Paul it was Cephas (Peter) first and then the twelve. Is that what it says at the end of the gospels?

Mark 16:9-11 [Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. 10 She went and reported to those who had been with Him, while they were mourning and weeping. 11 When they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they refused to believe it.

Mark says it was Mary Magdalene.

Luke 24:13-35 And behold, two of them were going that very day to a village named Emmaus, which was about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 And they were talking with each other about all these things which had taken place. 15 While they were talking and discussing, Jesus Himself approached and began traveling with them. 16 But their eyes were prevented from recognizing Him. 17 And He said to them, "What are these words that you are exchanging with one another as you are walking?" And they stood still, looking sad. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, answered and said to Him, "Are You the only one visiting Jerusalem and unaware of the things which have happened here in these days?" 19 And He said to them, "What things?" And they said to Him, "The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people, 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to the sentence of death, and crucified Him. 21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened. 22 But also some women among us amazed us. When they were at the tomb early in the morning, 23 and did not find His body, they came, saying that they had also seen a vision of angels who said that He was alive. 24 Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just exactly as the women also had said; but Him they did not see." 25 And He said to them, "O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?" 27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

28 And they approached the village where they were going, and He acted as though He were going farther. 29 But they urged Him, saying, "Stay with us, for it is getting toward evening, and the day is now nearly over." So He went in to stay with them. 30 When He had reclined at the table with them, He took the bread and blessed it, and breaking it, He began giving it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized Him; and He vanished from their sight. 32 They said to one another, "Were not our hearts burning within us while He was speaking to us on the road, while He was explaining the Scriptures to us?" 33 And they got up that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and found gathered together the eleven and those who were with them, 34 saying, "The Lord has really risen and has appeared to Simon." 35 They began to relate their experiences on the road and how He was recognized by them in the breaking of the bread.

Here is says "Simon" but it also says there were two of them?

How many disciples were there after Jesus death?

John 20:24 　But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

According to John 20:24 just after the death of Jesus, there were twelve.


But wait.　 What about these answers?　 Is it twelve or eleven?

Matthew 28:16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated.

Mark 16:14 Afterward He appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table; and He reproached them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who had seen Him after He had risen.

Luke 24:9 and returned from the tomb and reported all these things to the eleven and to all the rest.

Luke 24:33 And they got up that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and found gathered together the eleven and those who were with them,

Acts 2:14 But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them: "Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words.

What did Peter see in the tomb?

John 20:6-7 And so Simon Peter also *came, following him, and entered the tomb; and he *saw the linen wrappings lying there, 7 and the face-cloth which had been on His head, not lying with the linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself.

Answer: He saw the linen wrappings and the face-cloth.

Luke 24:12 But Peter got up and ran to the tomb; stooping and looking in, he *saw the linen wrappings only; and he went away to his home, marveling at what had happened.

Answer: He saw the linen wrappings ONLY!　 Why is this answer different?

What city were they near?

Matthew 21 When they had approached Jerusalem and had come to Bethphage, at the Mount of Olives, then Jesus sent two disciples

Bethphage, right?

Mark 11 As they *approached Jerusalem, at Bethphage and Bethany, near the Mount of Olives, He *sent two of His disciples

What?

What did the disciples find tied?

Mark 11 　As they *approached Jerusalem, at Bethphage and Bethany, near the Mount of Olives, He *sent two of His disciples, 2 and *said to them, "Go into the village opposite you, and immediately as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, on which no one yet has ever sat; untie it and bring it here.

A colt right?

Let's see what Matthew says:

Matthew 21 When they had approached Jerusalem and had come to Bethphage, at the Mount of Olives, then Jesus sent two disciples, 2 saying to them, "Go into the village opposite you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied there and a colt with her; untie them and bring them to Me.

Did Jesus drive out the moneychangers right after riding the donkey (and her colt)?

Mark 11:7-15 They *brought the colt to Jesus and put their coats on it; and He sat on it. 8 And many spread their coats in the road, and others spread leafy branches which they had cut from the fields. 9 Those who went in front and those who followed were shouting:


"Hosanna!
Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord;
10 Blessed is the coming kingdom of our father David;
Hosanna in the highest!"

11 Jesus entered Jerusalem and came into the temple; and after looking around at everything, He left for Bethany with the twelve, since it was already late.

12 On the next day, when they had left Bethany, He became hungry. 13 Seeing at a distance a fig tree in leaf, He went to see if perhaps He would find anything on it; and when He came to it, He found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. 14 He said to it, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again!" And His disciples were listening.

15 Then they *came to Jerusalem. And He entered the temple and began to drive out those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves;

According to Mark, Jesus rode the colt, went into the temple and then left.　 He then came back a day or TWO LATER and drove out the moneychangers.　 Let's see what Matthew says:

Matthew 21:6-13 The disciples went and did just as Jesus had instructed them, 7 and brought the donkey and the colt, and laid their coats on them; and He sat on the coats. 8 Most of the crowd spread their coats in the road, and others were cutting branches from the trees and spreading them in the road. 9 The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting,


"Hosanna to the Son of David;
Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord;
Hosanna in the highest!"

10 When He had entered Jerusalem, all the city was stirred, saying, "Who is this?" 11 And the crowds were saying, "This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee."

12 And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves. 13 And He *said to them, "It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’; but you are making it a robbers’ den."

According to Matthew, he drove them out right away after entering???

Who's home was Jesus at when the perfume was poured over his head?

Matthew 26:1-7 When Jesus had finished all these words, He said to His disciples, 2 "You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man is to be handed over for crucifixion."


3 Then the chief priests and the elders of the people were gathered together in the court of the high priest, named Caiaphas; 4 and they plotted together to seize Jesus by stealth and kill Him. 5 But they were saying, "Not during the festival, otherwise a riot might occur among the people."

6 Now when Jesus was in Bethany, at the home of Simon the leper, 7 a woman came to Him with an alabaster vial of very costly perfume, and she poured it on His head as He reclined at the table.

John 12 Jesus, therefore, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. 2 So they made Him a supper there, and Martha was serving; but Lazarus was one of those reclining at the table with Him. 3 Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.


Is Jesus at the home of Mary and Martha or at the home of Simon the Leper (according to the above verses)?

What day was it when the perfume poured over his head?　

John 12 Jesus, therefore, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead.　 2 So they made Him a supper there, and Martha was serving; but Lazarus was one of those reclining at the table with Him. 3 Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

Mark 14 Now the Passover and Unleavened Bread were two days away; and the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how to seize Him by stealth and kill Him; 2 for they were saying, "Not during the festival, otherwise there might be a riot of the people."


3 While He was in Bethany at the home of Simon the leper, and reclining at the table, there came a woman with an alabaster vial of very costly perfume of pure nard; and she broke the vial and poured it over His head.

Matthew 26:1-7 When Jesus had finished all these words, He said to His disciples, 2 "You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man is to be handed over for crucifixion."


3 Then the chief priests and the elders of the people were gathered together in the court of the high priest, named Caiaphas; 4 and they plotted together to seize Jesus by stealth and kill Him. 5 But they were saying, "Not during the festival, otherwise a riot might occur among the people."

6 Now when Jesus was in Bethany, at the home of Simon the leper, 7 a woman came to Him with an alabaster vial of very costly perfume, and she poured it on His head as He reclined at the table.

Is it two days before the Passover or is it six days like John 12 says?

Where was the perfume poured?

John 12:3 　Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

Mark 14:3 While He was in Bethany at the home of Simon the leper, and reclining at the table, there came a woman with an alabaster vial of very costly perfume of pure nard; and she broke the vial and poured it over His head.

Was it over his head or his feet?

Were the robbers that were crucified with him both insulting Jesus?

Matthew 27:44 The robbers who had been crucified with Him were also insulting Him with the same words.

Luke 23:39-40 One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!" 40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?

Did one rebuke the other one or not?

Who was the one who was upset when the Perfume was poured onto the body of Jesus?

John 12:4-5 But Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples, who was intending to betray Him, *said, 5 "Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people?"

Matthew 26:8-9 But the disciples were indignant when they saw this, and said, "Why this waste? 9 For this perfume might have been sold for a high price and the money given to the poor."

Mark 14:4-5 But some were indignantly remarking to one another, "Why has this perfume been wasted? 5 For this perfume might have been sold for over three hundred denarii, and the money given to the poor." And they were scolding her.

Or was it the Pharisee?

Luke 7:39-47 Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he said to himself, "If this man were a prophet He would know who and what sort of person this woman is who is touching Him, that she is a sinner."


40 And Jesus answered him, "Simon, I have something to say to you." And he replied, "Say it, Teacher." 41 "A moneylender had two debtors: one owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42 When they were unable to repay, he graciously forgave them both. So which of them will love him more?" 43 Simon answered and said, "I suppose the one whom he forgave more." And He said to him, "You have judged correctly." 44 Turning toward the woman, He said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has wet My feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You gave Me no kiss; but she, since the time I came in, has not ceased to kiss My feet. 46 You did not anoint My head with oil, but she anointed My feet with perfume. 47 For this reason I say to you, her sins, which are many, have been forgiven, for she loved much; but he who is forgiven little, loves little."

How could Lazarus be in the tomb for 4 days in John 11?　

It was only two days ago that he was sick?　 Did they put him the tomb two days while he was sick?　 Did it take two days for Jesus to travel there?



John 11 Now a certain man was sick, Lazarus of Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. 2 It was the Mary who anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped His feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick. 3 So the sisters sent word to Him, saying, "Lord, behold, he whom You love is sick." 4 But when Jesus heard this, He said, "This sickness is not to end in death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified by it." 5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. 6 So when He heard that he was sick, He then stayed two days longer in the place where He was.

17 So when Jesus came, He found that he had already been in the tomb four days.

Now, look at this verse.

John 12 Jesus, therefore, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead.

How many times did Jesus would a rooster crow before Peter denied Jesus?

Mark 14:72 Immediately a rooster crowed a second time. And Peter remembered how Jesus had made the remark to him, "Before a rooster crows twice, you will deny Me three times." And he began to weep.

Mark says twice.

Luke 22:61 The Lord turned and looked at Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how He had told him, "Before a rooster crows today, you will deny Me three times."

According to Luke, it is before a rooster crows at all.

Who dresses Jesus in a robe?

Luke 23:11 And Herod with his soldiers, after treating Him with contempt and mocking Him, dressed Him in a gorgeous robe and sent Him back to Pilate.

John 19:1-2 Pilate then took Jesus and scourged Him. 2 And the soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on His head, and put a purple robe on Him;

Was it the solders with Pilate or the soldiers of Herod?

Is God telling us the truth here that he will NEVER again destroy every living thing?

Genesis 8:21 The Lord smelled the soothing aroma; and the Lord said to Himself, "I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.

Who was the one who bought the Potters field with thirty pieces of silver?

Acts 1:16-19 "Brethren, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit foretold by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus. 17 For he was counted among us and received his share in this ministry." 18 (Now this man acquired a field with the price of his wickedness, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his intestines gushed out. 19 And it became known to all who were living in Jerusalem; so that in their own language that field was called Hakeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)

Was it Judas?

Matthew 27:6-7 The chief priests took the pieces of silver and said, "It is not lawful to put them into the temple treasury, since it is the price of blood." 7 And they conferred together and with the money bought the Potter’s Field as a burial place for strangers.

Or was it the "Chief priests"?

According to Luke, when was Jesus in Capernaum?

Luke 4:23 And He said to them, "No doubt you will quote this proverb to Me, ‘Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we heard was done at Capernaum, do here in your hometown as well.’"

According to Luke 4:23, Jesus was in Capernaum BEFORE he came to Nazareth. However, there is no mention of Capernaum before this in Luke. However, look at this verse that occurs after this time.

Luke 4:31 And He came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and He was teaching them on the Sabbath;

Why is the order mixed up in Luke?

What did Herod think of John the Baptist?

Lets see what Matthew says.

Matthew 14:3-5 For when Herod had John arrested, he bound him and put him in prison because of Herodias, the wife of his brother Philip. 4 For John had been saying to him, "It is not lawful for you to have her." 5 Although Herod wanted to put him to death, he feared the crowd, because they regarded John as a prophet.

Herod wants to put John to death!

Now, look at what the book of Mark says.

Mark 6:20 for Herod was afraid of John, knowing that he was a righteous and holy man, and he kept him safe. And when he heard him, he was very perplexed; but he used to enjoy listening to him.

Mark says that Herod knew John the Baptist was a righteous and Holy man and he "kept him safe". Why are these accounts so different? Verse 19 says it was Herodias who wanted to put John to death and NOT Herod.

Mark 6:19 Herodias had a grudge against him and wanted to put him to death and could not do so;

Why are these accounts so different?

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Ingledsva said:

They are all live humans - and thus according to the Bible, ALL have breath/spirit from God.

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savagewind said:

The Holy Spirit is received at baptism for Christ imho but if the person gets baptized for some worldly affair he doesn't receive it. But receiving the Holy Spirit does not mean it will direct your every move.

Bible examples I think of for examples of testing Holy Spirit are Abraham pleading for Sodom and the prophet (I forget which) being told to cook over human feces but he asks for cow dung. Were they not testing the Holy Spirit?

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savagewind said:

The Holy Spirit is received at baptism for Christ imho but if the person gets baptized for some worldly affair he doesn't receive it. But receiving the Holy Spirit does not mean it will direct your every move.

Bible examples I think of for examples of testing Holy Spirit are Abraham pleading for Sodom and the prophet (I forget which) being told to cook over human feces but he asks for cow dung. Were they not testing the Holy Spirit?

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Carlita said:

That begs the question, though off topic, does our belief make the Holy Spirit come upon us or the baptism itself regardless of the intentions? In other words, does the intentions and setting make the baptism less true than doing it, say, in a Church with honest intent of asking Jesus to be Lord and Savior?

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savagewind said:

It is my humble opinion a person's belief does nothing. It is all about God's belief.

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Carlita said:

That's beautiful. I don't know if I agree or disagree with that, though. Since having a relationship means that both parties have to agree. If it is one sided, why have a relationship with God in the first place; and, how would baptism save one [which I believe baptism is part of salvation] who does not believe in God?

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savagewind said:

Good point! To get in touch with God's truth (or God's belief) a person should believe it is possible. So belief makes a way which is not nothing. Thank you.

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savagewind said:

I shall change it to a person's belief has no power over the will of God.

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savagewind said:

That is why I refuse to believe the Bible says Go! MAKE disciples. A disciple, I believe, is one who is made by GOD. So a person's belief she can make a disciple does nothing. Effort and love does much but those are not belief. Those are works. Belief is not work, it is choice.

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savagewind said:

Will a person work for The Will of God if she does not believe? Probably not but it is certainly possible. So God's will has many times been accomplished by people who do not believe and has been prevented by people who DO believe. So then BELIEF does not do much.

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savagewind said:

We would test ALL spirits.

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