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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
Mortal darkess can be amazing--2Cor 4:4--- what kind of food do Jesus teachers serve--bacon and eggs==please.
The parable is about a servant serving food. There is absolutely nothing in the parable that says the food is spiritual. The parable simply teaches that whatever gift God gave you, He'd better find you doing it when He comes again. In the case of this parable, the job of this slave is simply serving food. There are many jobs in the kingdom of God, and the job of a christian can be as simple as serving meals to the poor and downtrodden.

You have no business going beyond what's written.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
You have no business going beyond what's written.
They do not consider the fact they go beyond what is written because it isn't them who explains scripture. They believe it is the job of the fds. So it is the governing body who go beyond scripture. They teach things they assume from the scriptures like they say "angels do not appear any more on Earth" which might be true but they can't know that from scripture because scripture says nothing about it. They even taught in a live convention skit that the women who angels overtook were glad and proud about it. Something scripture says nothing about. It is OK for the gb to make up stuff but I say PLEASE reconsider what you teach and they say "who are YOU to tell us what to do?"

What they DO is agree to be led by a shepherd not Jesus Christ who is the Fine Shepherd and the ONE Shepherd.
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
They do not consider the fact they go beyond what is written because it isn't them who explains scripture. They believe it is the job of the fds. So it is the governing body who go beyond scripture. They teach things they assume from the scriptures like they say "angels do not appear any more on Earth" which might be true but they can't know that from scripture because scripture says nothing about it. They even taught in a live convention skit that the women who angels overtook were glad and proud about it. Something scripture says nothing about. It is OK for the gb to make up stuff but I say PLEASE reconsider what you teach and they say "who are YOU to tell us what to do?"

What they DO is agree to be led by a shepherd not Jesus Christ who is the Fine Shepherd and the ONE Shepherd.
Everyone who teaches will be held accountable. That's a good reason to preface everything we say here with, "This is jmho."
 

savagewind

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I am sorry. I don't know jmho but I have a story. I worked as a waitress and one day no one came in to eat so all day I worked on a scramble. The letters were one i, two os and two ns. ioonn. Honest to goodness I couldn't figure it out! So please tell me what jmho means. Thank you.
 

savagewind

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Everyone who teaches will be held accountable.
This reminds me of another teaching of the gb. They say that everyone not siding with their God and their Christ will die. So I would wonder "how is this a good thing, me going door to door telling people this?" If they say "No!" they will die. If they say "yes" now their job is to tell other people which people might say no and they will die.

Anyone not knowing the good news according to Jehovah's Witnesses will get through Armageddon alive, so what am I doing?????
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
This reminds me of another teaching of the gb. They say that everyone not siding with their God and their Christ will die. So I would wonder "how is this a good thing, me going door to door telling people this?" If they say "No!" they will die. If they say "yes" now their job is to tell other people which people might say no and they will die.

Anyone not knowing the good news according to Jehovah's Witnesses will get through Armageddon alive, so what am I doing?????
Two questions:
Do JW's believe that all JW's will survive armageddon? What happens to those who don't?
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
It's just my humble opinion. :)
OK! Someone on forum does that and it can get annoying. But I will keep it in mind. Of course no one will believe the humble part I think. I do not presume to know what scripture means. I realize if Scripture was a person that person would not be happy. It is my humble opinion God's gift to me is to know what it DOESN'T mean Some people m ight assume I must know what it means if I know what it doesn't mean. In my humble opinion concluding that isn't right.

In the multitude of counselors there is accomplishment (not opinion) No one is gathering to talk about it (my humble opinion)
 

savagewind

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Two questions:
Do JW's believe that all JW's will survive armageddon? What happens to those who don't?
They teach all faithful ones will not be harmed by Armageddon. They do not make the guarantee that all will physically survive. But they have the hope all who either believe JWs version of God or do not know about it to choose God's side will be resurrected. It is my humble opinion the leadership of the JWs brainwash their people to believe that any of their own who don't survive just means they were not really of the JWs for God. (not physically through armageddon but after in the resurrection
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
OK! Someone on forum does that and it can get annoying. But I will keep it in mind. Of course no one will believe the humble part I think. I do not presume to know what scripture means. I realize if Scripture was a person that person would not be happy. It is my humble opinion God's gift to me is to know what it DOESN'T mean Some people m ight assume I must know what it means if I know what it doesn't mean. In my humble opinion concluding that isn't right.

In the multitude of counselors there is accomplishment (not opinion) No one is gathering to talk about it (my humble opinion)
U R 2 Funny! But if course that is jmo! I took out the humble part. ;)
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
They teach all faithful ones will not be harmed by Armageddon. They do not make the guarantee that all will physically survive. But they have the hope all who either believe JWs version of God or do not know about it to choose God's side will be resurrected. It is my humble opinion the leadership of the JWs brainwash their people to believe that any of their own who doesn't survive just means they were not really of the JWs for God.
So if you died you don't get to experience the thousand years on earth?
 

savagewind

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So if you died you don't get to experience the thousand years on earth?
No. The last time I heard the resurrection will happen during the 1000 years. Then they explain that after the 1000 years as it is written "they will come to life" means that those who succeeded in withstanding the devil's temptations will be awarded everlasting life. The reward is called "coming to life". I would usually look up the scripture but I think you know which one I mean.
 

savagewind

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U R 2 Funny! But if course that is jmo! I took out the humble part. ;)
I hope you know I meant me, not you. I realize you must be humble to be used by the Holy Spirit. I think you are!

I do not humble myself to the Pope, those other guys on TV or to the Governing Body but I bend my knee to God's son. So I might be humble to some and to some not.
 
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Kolibri

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Two questions:
Do JW's believe that all JW's will survive armageddon? What happens to those who don't?

It would be nice to think such but...no. We all need to be faithful to the end. Not that we are looking for 'rocks under the waters,' but 1 Timothy 5:24 says "The sins of some men are publicly known, leading directly to judgement, but those of other men become evident later." The qualifications for surviving is not specifically having been baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Or rather the qualifications for not surviving is not limited to those not Jehovah's Witnesses either.

"But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength." - 1 Thessalonians 1:7-9

regardless of our status within or without the congregation we will be judged on two standards.
  • do we know God? (some refuse to know or belie that claim by not loving their brothers)
  • do we obey the good news about our Lord Jesus? (are we making reasonable progress toward continually bringing ourselves and our lives into harmony with the purpose of the good news? Have we left behind such practices that will cause rejection? (1Cor 6:9,10) Will we be around to hear and follow life-saving direction as did Rahab when the time comes for us to know what the "inner rooms" are? (Isaiah 26:20))
And because it is no longer a time of reconciliation but a time of judgement the decision for everlasting nonexistence is final. On the other hand we are totally convinced that no one declared righteous will be harmed.

"Jehovah knows how to rescue people of godly devotion out of trial, but to reserve unrighteous people to be destroyed (Lit., "cut off.") on the the day of judgement." (2 Peter 2:9)

Incidentally, by the time we enter this final phase of the "great tribulation," Babylon the Great will already been destroyed and mourned for by the political and economic elements of this world. So the 'suffering along with her in her plagues' time would already have past. Armageddon is a war between kings. The judgement against the organized elements of false religion will have already been carried out.
 
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kjw47

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Yes I understand that God's word judges. But you are allowing YOUR interpretation of the word to judge others. Let God judge whether people are saved or lost.


God gave this warning to share--GET OUT OF HER--- if one doesn't I feel its the same as if I was walking down the street at 3 am and my neighbors house was on fire, I would wake them and warn them, same principle except ones eternal life is on the line concerning Gods warning.= very important to try and wake them up.
 

kjw47

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The parable is about a servant serving food. There is absolutely nothing in the parable that says the food is spiritual. The parable simply teaches that whatever gift God gave you, He'd better find you doing it when He comes again. In the case of this parable, the job of this slave is simply serving food. There are many jobs in the kingdom of God, and the job of a christian can be as simple as serving meals to the poor and downtrodden.

You have no business going beyond what's written.

I know I am right.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
In the letter to the Christian Congregation in Galatia, chapter 5:19-21, it lists works of the flesh, and sects/denominations/dissentions are listed therein. Religions created by man, Catholic, Baptist, Protestant, LDS, SDA, and so on. They didn't exist then, but they do now, and God doesn't change. The religions created by man are false and are called works of the flesh. Revelation says they will all be destroyed. Jesus taught, not a religion, but "the one true faith" as he called it. All religions teach something different from God's inspired word, and they all teach something different from each other. They are all false. Satan first introduced religion in the garden in Eden. He taught Eve things about God, that differ from what God says, or said, about Himself. They have been in opposition to God ever since, religions that is.

I think we could simply it even more by putting religion into two categories.... true religion and false religion.

Any religion out of harmony with Gods Word, his will/standards/personality etc is false religion...and i agree, its doomed.
 

savagewind

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False religion is all religious organizations which teach falsehoods about God and God's Word. The JWs teach some false things about God's Word but they say because they have stood in a position to be corrected by God they will be OK.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Are you saying the GB has a direct line to Jesus Christ? I hope not.

The GB has no more power to interpret Revelation than anyone else.

interpretations belong to God. If man tries to put his own interpretation, he always falls into error and that has been true of the governing body at times as well. But when God reveals understanding, then the interpretation makes a lot more sense.

The GB at one time believed that all christians were anointed for heaven just as you do. But it became clear to them that the earth will always be mankinds home. So they searched for answers and the bible gave them. They saw that Jesus spoke of 2 groups of followers. One called his closes disciples a 'little flock' and the others he called the 'other sheep'. They also saw that revelation 7 shows 2 groups of worshipers. The first group numbers only 144,000 and the they are 'seated around the throne' while the second group was so large in number that John could not count them and they were worshiping God 'before the throne'.

When all the scriptures are taken into consideration, holy spirit can guide our undestanding of how they all fit together. That is what it means to leave the interpreting to God....let the scriptures guide our thinking. It doesnt mean that God is directly speaking to the GB as he did with Moses or other prophets...it just means that the GB allow the scriptures to guide their understanding.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
When Jesus preached "the kingdom was at hand," it was at hand. It was right around the corner. It came on Pentecost.

The kingdom is here now.

Jesus said He would give Peter the keys to the kingdom. That promise was made later to the rest of the apostles.

Peter and the other apostles died a long time ago. Are you saying Jesus didn't keep His promise?

Surely we can agree that Jesus kept His promise and gave Peter and the apostles the keys to the kingdom.

What good would the keys be if there was no kingdom? Why in the world would Jesus give His apostles the keys to the kingdom if there was no kingdom?

what are the keys to the kingdom?
 
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