katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Are you saying the GB has a direct line to Jesus Christ? I hope not.
The GB has no more power to interpret Revelation than anyone else.
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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??
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The GB has no more power to interpret Revelation than anyone else.
What is amazing and should prove they aren't being led by Jesus is that they say Jesus is head of the congregation but their teachings do not come from him. Their teachings come from being led to reason by the Holy Spirit. The governing body is about reasoning from the scriptures. They don't hear from Jesus. They have said so. We are not prophets they say. Prophets spoke God's words as they were moved by The Holy Spirit. Jehovah's Witnesses do not do that. They search the scriptures finding good ideas. Anyone can do that!
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MikeSavage
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The remnant of the holy spirit annointed sons of God, Jesus' co-ruler and co-princes are the channel. The governing body is made up of those annointed, the remnant. Bear in mind that the 144,000 holy spirit annointed firstfruits are the only men to go to heaven ever. As they die, they are transformed into spirit beings and taken to be with Jesus in heaven. The remnant of them continue to work with Jesus while on Earth. The governing body is made up of these men, or some of them, rather. That remnant comprising the governing body are the faithful and discreet slave. The scriptures support and lay out this quite clearly. They are but men, and all men are imperfect however. Over the last hundred years, some have become apostate, some have succumbed to immorality, and some have just stopped. Simply because they are annointed firstfruits doesn't mean they are any different from you and me. The governing body now, as in Jesus' time on Earth, counsel the flock, and teach the flock, and continue to preach the good news of the Kingdom. They are fellow workers of the great crowd, the great flock. That great flock consists of those who associate with, and work with the remnant.
That is what we are asking for. Which scriptures?
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Pegg,
John 10:16 is talking about Gentiles. It is they who are the sheep not of this fold. Later, at the house of Cornelius, the Gentiles would become part of the ONE fold under the one shepherd, Jesus Christ.
Matthew 5:3 says no such thing. It does not say some will inherit heaven and some will inherit earth.
Jesus said those who are born of water and the Spirit would enter the kingdom of heaven. All christians are born of water and the Spirit.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
All christians are anointed. See my post above to Kolibri.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
I want any JW to show me where Paul, in 1 Corinthians, or Peter in his letters, or John in his 1st letter are writing to a select group and not ALL CHRISTIANS AT ALL TIMES. I was told by KJW47 that some parts of these letters were written to only anointed Christians, and the rest of the time to other christians. WHERE in any of these letters does it show a delineation between annointed and non anointed christians. I contend there is no such thing.
One cannot run to Revelation, the Old Testament, or any other book of the Bible to prove that these men were writing to a "specially anointed" group in these letters. That is very poor hermeneutics! Scripture can never be used to prove Scripture wrong!
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katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
When Jesus preached "the kingdom was at hand," it was at hand. It was right around the corner. It came on Pentecost.
The kingdom is here now.
Jesus said He would give Peter the keys to the kingdom. That promise was made later to the rest of the apostles.
Peter and the other apostles died a long time ago. Are you saying Jesus didn't keep His promise?
Surely we can agree that Jesus kept His promise and gave Peter and the apostles the keys to the kingdom.
What good would the keys be if there was no kingdom? Why in the world would Jesus give His apostles the keys to the kingdom if there was no kingdom?
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Dear Katie,
The kingdom of heaven is power and Spirit. Both of which your "Christian" church is lacking. As for the keys of the kingdom, per Isaiah 22, the holder of the keys, who made himself a "resting place" in the "rock", (Is 22:16), this initially being Peter, was to be deposed from his position because he shamed his master's house. (Is 22:19). HIs shame coming from his shameful visions per Zechariah 13:4. HIs heir, would eventually fail also (Is 22:25). The foundation for your church is Petros, which means small rock, whereas the rock the church is built on is Petra, which means foundation stone. Those who build their house on sand, which is simply many small rocks, will suffer a great fall. (Matthew 7:26).
Everyone is lacking power and spirit. You too. I would not dare say any specific group or person lacks it as I know I lack it too. Get outside yourself and look! You don't have power and spirit but you tell them they don't. Tell yourself it!
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
For My JW Friends Pegg, Kolibri, KJW47 and Mike Savage:
Do any of you consider yourselves anointed?
Do any of you consider yourselves anointed?
MikeSavage
Active Member
The Kingdom of Heaven is ruled from heaven, by Jesus and the 144,000, and they rule over EARTH. The annointed 144,000 don't "inherit" heven, they are chosen out of the firstfruits of mankind to be Jesus' brothers, in heaven. NO ONE ELSE GOES TO HEAVEN, EVER. Inheriting the Kingdom doesn't mean going to heaven. It means inheriting the Kingdom, whose domain is EARTH. Arguing over God's arrangement makes no sense. You argue with men over what God purposed to do and arrange. Argue with Him. He set it up. But, that will make you His enemy.
YOU make no sense. The 144,000 are not all in heaven. But YOU SAY they rule from there. According to you there are not 144,000 in heaven as you believe the governing body are of the 144,000. So the 144,000 who will rule from heaven can't rule now as there isn't 144,000 in heaven. They are not ruling (according to you) but the governing body are ruling. Oh? Are they not?
If on the other hand the 144,000 who are in heaven (if they are) are ruling with Christ and the remnant of 144,000 who are on earth still are also ruling (they do rule what scripture means) then there is division. The Jehovah's Witnesses are all about unity but You are not in unity with Heaven's rulership or can it begin without all the 144,000? If Christ and the 144,000 can begin ruling without the full number, what good is the number?
It is so very difficult to make reasonable words to explain gross unreasonablness. (maybe perhaps that is why nobody does it?)
Christ ruling from Heaven when he had promised to be with us on Earth.
144,000 ruling in Heaven but not all of them are there.
The governing body never confessing that they hear from Heaven.
The governing body ruling here on Earth.
How if the governing body does not hear from Heaven are they ruling as Christ and the heavenly part of the 144,000 do?
Is it magic?
Christ ruling from Heaven when he had promised to be with us on Earth.
144,000 ruling in Heaven but not all of them are there.
The governing body never confessing that they hear from Heaven.
The governing body ruling here on Earth.
How if the governing body does not hear from Heaven are they ruling as Christ and the heavenly part of the 144,000 do?
Is it magic?
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The 144,000 are divided. This is a mathematical FACT.
kjw47
Well-Known Member
Luke 10 16-- about listening to Jesus anointed teachers--see if one rejects them--they reject Jesus and God as well--pretty simple
Or do you think Jesus appointed them for nothing?
OK. But I DO listen to John, Peter, James, Paul, and even the prophets of old
Do they not count?
As a matter of FACT The Helper who Jesus promised to send has revealed to me that if I DO listen to your "true teachers" I must discard much of what the true anointed are saying.
Please address the point that the 144,000 do not exist yet OR they are divided some being in Heaven where they know stuff and some being on Earth where everything is some crazy guessing game.
Put another way the 144,000 are anointed brothers of Christ who have endured to the end of their lives faithful and have been raised to Heaven. JWs teach the number is literal. OK Since the number is a literal number and some of them have not endured to the end faithful yet the 144,000 (as a group) DOES NOT EXIST YET. Seeing that it does not exist until there are 144,000 of them and they are in heaven where the vision says they will be anyone saying he is of the 144,000 is lying. How do I know? I know because the 144,000 won't exist until there are 144,000 and there isn't yet.
Or why not tell us how the anointed who claim they are of the 144,000 KNOW that they will endure to their end faithful.
How do they know? If they do not know because they can't know how do you know?
Or why not tell us how the anointed who claim they are of the 144,000 KNOW that they will endure to their end faithful.
How do they know? If they do not know because they can't know how do you know?