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The big Bad Catholic Church

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Spiderman

Veteran Member
That they did; just like they funded much scientific research in the early modern period, so executing, suppressing and excommunicating scientists who disagreed with their view wasn't that bad.

Hatred against the killers of Christ was dogma until 1964. Pius was the same as a Nazi; he wanted Papal absolutism, a centralized government and moreover didn't use enough of his authority in criticizing the totalitarian regimes of the time.
The twelve apostles, the first Bishop of Rome (Pope), the early Saints, and some of the more modern saints, and the Mother of Jesus, most venerated of all Saints, were Jewish.
 

Clarky

Pope Of Antitheism
The twelve apostles, the first Bishop of Rome (Pope), the early Saints, and some of the more modern saints, and the Mother of Jesus, most venerated of all Saints, were Jewish.

Your point? Are you trying to say that the Jewish people were not accused of Decide until 1964/Vatican II? I'm not talking about the validity of their claims, just as I am not denying that Pius saved many Jewish people. Just as I am not denying that they help fund scientific endeavors.

Simply pointing out the bad that came with it.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Your point? Are you trying to say that the Jewish people were not accused of Decide until 1964/Vatican II? I'm not talking about the validity of their claims, just as I am not denying that Pius saved many Jewish people. Just as I am not denying that they help fund scientific endeavors.

Simply pointing out the bad that came with it.
Your point? Are you trying to say that the Jewish people were not accused of Decide until 1964/Vatican II? I'm not talking about the validity of their claims, just as I am not denying that Pius saved many Jewish people. Just as I am not denying that they help fund scientific endeavors.

Simply pointing out the bad that came with it.
Yes the Antisemitism of Catholics is very embarrassing. I don't think we will ever see it from a Pope again. Thank God!
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
But the Catholic Church doesn't hold to my progressive secular humanism and liberal sexual ethics. Therefore it is an evil institution of bigots who only want to hate.

Secular humanism wasn't to blame for the RCC turning its collective back on the innocent kids who were abused by clergy, for decades.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Secular humanism wasn't to blame for the RCC turning its collective back on the innocent kids who were abused by clergy, for decades.
The RCC has always told it's clergy to be faithful to their vows. they chose not to. The RCC didn't turn it's back on those kids. It is something every Catholic is extremely upset about and a lot of actions are being taken.

Every Priest and Bishop knows they aren't supposed to do that. Don't blame the Church for what Catholics do who aren't faithful to their duties. That is like blaming Atheism for what Communists do.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
And that seems to be the main problem with a church that believes that it can give absolution to sinners. How can sinners forgive other sinners? Those who were willful sinners in the first century congregations were expelled, not ignored or tolerated. (1 Cor 5:13-19) The shepherds were instructed to judge wrongdoers "inside" the congregation, whilst God judges those "outside". The nation of Israel went astray because their shepherds were negligent....history repeats.

In times past, the Catholic Church went overboard with the judgment and the punishment, but then, as it always happens, the pendulum swings too far the other way and now there is no punishment at all to speak of.
There is balance in keeping the word of God. Catholicism and the rest of Christendom, never found it.

The Catholic Church is the mother of her many daughters. All hold to the same core of false beliefs, formulated by her centuries after Jesus died...all taken along when the daughters left home.
Christendom is the sum of her children...divided, disobedient to the Christ and completely disjointed.

Satan did to Christianity exactly what he did to Judaism. (Matt 13:24-30) He influenced men to apostatize and teach what God did not have written in his word.
The "traditions of men" have again replaced the word of God. (Mark 7:6-8)

"Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2 saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3 therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them." (Matt 23:1-3)

The same holds true today. The Catholic Church, like a lot of others, gives lips service to Christ but does not live up to her discipleship. She says a lot but does very little in obedience to the commands of the Christ...instead, they follow the commands and traditions of men.
You wish. Fortunately for the rest of us, this is nothing but unfounded, biased drivel.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
And that seems to be the main problem with a church that believes that it can give absolution to sinners. How can sinners forgive other sinners? Those who were willful sinners in the first century congregations were expelled, not ignored or tolerated. (1 Cor 5:13-19) The shepherds were instructed to judge wrongdoers "inside" the congregation, whilst God judges those "outside". The nation of Israel went astray because their shepherds were negligent....history repeats.

In times past, the Catholic Church went overboard with the judgment and the punishment, but then, as it always happens, the pendulum swings too far the other way and now there is no punishment at all to speak of.
There is balance in keeping the word of God. Catholicism and the rest of Christendom, never found it.

The Catholic Church is the mother of her many daughters. All hold to the same core of false beliefs, formulated by her centuries after Jesus died...all taken along when the daughters left home.
Christendom is the sum of her children...divided, disobedient to the Christ and completely disjointed.

Satan did to Christianity exactly what he did to Judaism. (Matt 13:24-30) He influenced men to apostatize and teach what God did not have written in his word.
The "traditions of men" have again replaced the word of God. (Mark 7:6-8)

"Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2 saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3 therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them." (Matt 23:1-3)

The same holds true today. The Catholic Church, like a lot of others, gives lips service to Christ but does not live up to her discipleship. She says a lot but does very little in obedience to the commands of the Christ...instead, they follow the commands and traditions of men.
  1. Confession is a sacrament instituted by Jesus Christ in his love and mercy. It is here that we meet the loving Jesus who offers sinners forgiveness for offenses committed against God and neighbor. At the same time, Confession permits sinners to reconcile with the Church, which also is wounded by our sins.
The Sacrament of Penance, commonly called Confession, is one of the seven sacraments recognized by the Catholic Church. Catholics believe that all of the sacraments were instituted by Jesus Christ himself. In the case of Confession, that institution occurred onEaster Sunday, when Christ first appeared to the apostles after his Resurrection.Breathing on them, he said: “Receive the Holy Spirit. For those whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven; for those whose sins you retain, they are retained” (John 20:22-23).
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
The RCC has always told it's clergy to be faithful to their vows. they chose not to. The RCC didn't turn it's back on those kids. It is something every Catholic is extremely upset about and a lot of actions are being taken.

Every Priest and Bishop knows they aren't supposed to do that. Don't blame the Church for what Catholics do who aren't faithful to their duties. That is like blaming Atheism for what Communists do.

And Islam isn't responsible for terrorism.
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
Hatred against the killers of Christ was dogma until 1964. Pius was the same as a Nazi; he wanted Papal absolutism, a centralized government and moreover didn't use enough of his authority in criticizing the totalitarian regimes of the time.

The silence was`deafening. o_O

How many Catholics were in the 'death' camps for refusing to heil Hitler?
 

Norman

Defender of Truth
  1. Confession is a sacrament instituted by Jesus Christ in his love and mercy. It is here that we meet the loving Jesus who offers sinners forgiveness for offenses committed against God and neighbor. At the same time, Confession permits sinners to reconcile with the Church, which also is wounded by our sins.
The Sacrament of Penance, commonly called Confession, is one of the seven sacraments recognized by the Catholic Church. Catholics believe that all of the sacraments were instituted by Jesus Christ himself. In the case of Confession, that institution occurred onEaster Sunday, when Christ first appeared to the apostles after his Resurrection.Breathing on them, he said: “Receive the Holy Spirit. For those whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven; for those whose sins you retain, they are retained” (John 20:22-23).

Norman: Hi SaintMatthew, Just a tid-bit, Easter did not exist at that time.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
nonsense.

Backpedaling on what? Do you know what the definition of backpedaling is?

Yes...it means to withdraw or retreat from a previously declared position or view. You post in a few threads, that you believe Islam is to blame for terrorism.
Now you are claiming you didn't say that.

Back pedaling.
 
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