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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
"Many do" the will of God but if they don't also work for the faithful and discreet slave you say God will execute them. Correct?
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
Did not Jesus himself say that he would come again and when he did, it would be on the clouds of heaven?

Matt 24:30 Then the sign ofthe Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes ofthe earth will beat themselves in grief,+and they will see the Son of man+ coming onthecloudsofheaven with power and great glory.

Do you realise that we preach the same gospel as you, except that ours informs us that Christ has returned.

When Jesus came, did the jews, Gods own people, believe that he was the Messiah? No. Yet there he was in their presence and they did not believe it.
Well, the same situation exists today. Christ has returned, and we are telling you, but you dont believe it. That scripture you posted earlier about the Angels who said "Why do you stand looking into the sky...Jesus will come in the same manner" should tell you that when Jesus returns, we wont see him in the flesh just as the disciples could no longer see him in the flesh when he was lifted up to heaven.

Its funny how history repeats itself.
Jesus did not come in 1914. You cannot prove such an outlandish claim. Your evidence lies with the words of men. It contradicts the Scriptures.

You teach that Jesus returned in 1914. This teaching is not what the Bible says. The Bible says,

"Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see HIm, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of HIm. Even so, Amen" (Revelation 1:7).

Have you seen Him? No! When Jesus comes again, every one will see Him. Those in the cities will see Him. Those in the villages will see Him. No one will miss seeing Him!

Again, we are told that when Christ returns He will be heard by everyone.

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first"
(1 Thessalonians 4:16).

Just as everyone will see Christ, everyone will hear Him too. The "shout," "the archangel’s call," and the sound of "the trumpet of God" all show the authority Christ has.
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
Here you go--- the most taught truth in the nt.

Jesus and every --REAL teacher of his teach this---John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28---1Peter 1:3---John at Rev 1:6--4 witnesses all in 100% agreement--Jesus has a God--his Father--this is the only true God--John 4:22-24= Jehovah.
You didn't answer my question. I would really like an answer about the ratio.
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
I find that hard to believe because i'm one of those people who go to your door and i know what we teach people.

Perhaps you just weren't listening?
I have invited them into my home, and have had many studies with them, and not one time did they preach Jesus' death, burial an resurrection. Not once did they tell me what Peter told the Jews on Pentecost about what they must do to be saved. Acts 2:36-38. I kept praying they would.
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
Its the 'order and specifics' that show us how we can be right with God. You should be concerned with them.
Please look at the context of the conversation. I was referring to the specific order of events which will occur when Jesus comes again. I don't care about the order or the specifics. I trust in my Father's promises. I am in Christ. I am saved. I have assurance of eternal life. Do you?
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
we are witnesses of the fact that Christ is the Messiah.

But who sent him? Should you not also be a witness to that one?
We are to be witnesses for JESUS. We are to wear His name. The disciples were first called CHRISTIANS in Antioch. They were never called Jehovah's Witnesses.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Jesus did not come in 1914. You cannot prove such an outlandish claim. Your evidence lies with the words of men. It contradicts the Scriptures.

You teach that Jesus returned in 1914. This teaching is not what the Bible says. The Bible says,

"Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see HIm, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of HIm. Even so, Amen" (Revelation 1:7).

Have you seen Him? No! When Jesus comes again, every one will see Him. Those in the cities will see Him. Those in the villages will see Him. No one will miss seeing Him!

Again, we are told that when Christ returns He will be heard by everyone.

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first"
(1 Thessalonians 4:16).

Just as everyone will see Christ, everyone will hear Him too. The "shout," "the archangel’s call," and the sound of "the trumpet of God" all show the authority Christ has.

Have you ever wondered why Jesus gave his apostles a 'sign' of his return rather then just say to them, 'when you see me' ?

Matt 24:3 While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence*+ and of the conclusion of the system of things?”

If they expected to see him physically, then they wouldnt have needed a 'sign'
And what was the sign?

It was the events which would unfold during his kingship. Every eye can see the sign right now. People all over the earth are experiencing the sign right now. The sign is here and it tells us that Christ has returned...the woe on earth is a direct result of the establishment of the heavenly kingdom according to Revelation 12:

3 Another sign was seen in heaven. Look! A great fiery-colored dragon,....kept standing before the woman+ who was about to give birth, so that when she did give birth, it might devour her child.
5 And she gave birth to a son,+ a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod....
7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha·el*+ and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail,* nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon+ was hurled, the original serpent,+ the one called Devil+ and Satan,+ who is misleading the entire inhabited earth;+ he was hurled down to the earth,+ and his angels were hurled down with him....12...Woe for the earth and for the sea,+because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”



Look in your bible and tell me that you can't see the sign taking place on earth right now....and going back to 1914 when the first world war erupted during a time of peace and prosperity.


 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
We are to be witnesses for JESUS. We are to wear His name. The disciples were first called CHRISTIANS in Antioch. They were never called Jehovah's Witnesses.

I think you need to re-think that.

Revelation 14 :1 And I saw, and, look! the Lamb+ standing upon the Mount Zion,+ and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand+ having his name and the name of his Father+ written on their foreheads.

What is the name of the Father? Its written in the bible over 7,000 times so you should know it.

 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
I have invited them into my home, and have had many studies with them, and not one time did they preach Jesus' death, burial an resurrection. Not once did they tell me what Peter told the Jews on Pentecost about what they must do to be saved. Acts 2:36-38. I kept praying they would.

Maybe you did not progress far enough in the bible study aid to get to the topic about Jesus death and resurrection

All about Jesus life is found in chapter 3 in our 'What does the bible really teach' book

And all about the purpose and meaning of Jesus death and resurrection is found in chapter 4 of the What Does the Bible Really Teach book

This is the book we use to help people learn about these things so my guess is that you didnt' actually spend time studying with us.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Please look at the context of the conversation. I was referring to the specific order of events which will occur when Jesus comes again. I don't care about the order or the specifics. I trust in my Father's promises. I am in Christ. I am saved. I have assurance of eternal life. Do you?

the guarantee we have is that if we endure to the end, we will gain life.

Matt 10:22 And you will be hated by all people on account of my name,+ but the one who has endured*to the end will be saved.

Have you endured to the end yet?

 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think you need to re-think that.

Revelation 14 :1 And I saw, and, look! the Lamb+ standing upon the Mount Zion,+ and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand+ having his name and the name of his Father+ written on their foreheads.

What is the name of the Father? Its written in the bible over 7,000 times so you should know it.
Prove it does not mean the person's father's name. Having one's father's name on one's forehead says a lot. The same word you translate God the Father is used places to mean human fathers.
But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning in Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there
Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee
"Blessed is the coming kingdom of our father David!" "Hosanna in the highest heaven!"

Young's Literal Translation
Honour thy father and thy mother, so that thy days are prolonged on the ground which Jehovah thy God is giving to thee.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Prove Revelation 14:1 means the names Jesus and Jehovah and NOT the person's name and the person's father's name. Please.

Can't. LOL Oh well.

Revelation 3:5
The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
We are to be witnesses for JESUS. We are to wear His name. The disciples were first called CHRISTIANS in Antioch. They were never called Jehovah's Witnesses.

so what?

The Isrealites were called to be witnesses of Jehovah.... '
Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,”+ declares Jehovah,
“Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,+
So that you may know and have faith in me*
And understand that I am the same One.+
Before me no God was formed,
And after me there has been none.

'
So why can't we be witnesses of Jehovah also? Jesus is a witness of Jehovah... he publicly praised the Father.... why can't we do the same?

is there something unscriptural about calling ourselves by the name of God?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The 144,000 relate to tribes of Israel which tribes mean an inheritance of place. Inheritance is related to father and son.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
so what?

The Isrealites were called to be witnesses of Jehovah.... '
Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,”+ declares Jehovah,
“Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,+
So that you may know and have faith in me*
And understand that I am the same One.+
Before me no God was formed,
And after me there has been none.

'
So why can't we be witnesses of Jehovah also? Jesus is a witness of Jehovah... he publicly praised the Father.... why can't we do the same?

is there something unscriptural about calling ourselves by the name of God?
What about
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Jesus name and God's Name on their foreheads is the tradition of Babylon the Great. Good proof. Not!
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
Have you ever wondered why Jesus gave his apostles a 'sign' of his return rather then just say to them, 'when you see me' ?

Matt 24:3 While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence*+ and of the conclusion of the system of things?”

If they expected to see him physically, then they wouldnt have needed a 'sign'
And what was the sign?

It was the events which would unfold during his kingship. Every eye can see the sign right now. People all over the earth are experiencing the sign right now. The sign is here and it tells us that Christ has returned...the woe on earth is a direct result of the establishment of the heavenly kingdom according to Revelation 12:

3 Another sign was seen in heaven. Look! A great fiery-colored dragon,....kept standing before the woman+ who was about to give birth, so that when she did give birth, it might devour her child.
5 And she gave birth to a son,+ a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod....
7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha·el*+ and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail,* nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon+ was hurled, the original serpent,+ the one called Devil+ and Satan,+ who is misleading the entire inhabited earth;+ he was hurled down to the earth,+ and his angels were hurled down with him....12...Woe for the earth and for the sea,+because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”



Look in your bible and tell me that you can't see the sign taking place on earth right now....and going back to 1914 when the first world war erupted during a time of peace and prosperity.


You need to read world history from the past 2000 years if you think things have only been bad since WW1.

I have come to realize that your religion is based on prophecy, symbolic language, and obscure passages in favor of what is plainly said.

You have totally blinded yourself from what has been said. EVERY eye will see him.How is it you ignore this? How do you explain it away?
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
so what?

The Isrealites were called to be witnesses of Jehovah.... '
Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,”+ declares Jehovah,
“Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,+
So that you may know and have faith in me*
And understand that I am the same One.+
Before me no God was formed,
And after me there has been none.

'
So why can't we be witnesses of Jehovah also? Jesus is a witness of Jehovah... he publicly praised the Father.... why can't we do the same?

is there something unscriptural about calling ourselves by the name of God?

Because it is unscriptural, that's why. If God wanted us to wear His name, which is YHWH, not Jehovah, He would have told us this in the New Testament. We are not Israelites. We don't live under the law of Moses. We are CHRISTIANS. We live under the law of Christ.

There is nothing wrong with praising God publicly. We see numerous examples of this being done by Jesus and His apostles in the NT. There is something very wrong with wearing the name Jehovah's Witness, when it has not been authorized by God.

Christians are called to be witnesses For Christ. That's why they wear His name. Acts 1:8 is another verse, which seems to go right over your head. You only pay attention to prophetic and obscure verses which you think support your doctrine, but ignore those which speak plainly such as this one.
 
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