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Why exactly does Evolution bother some faiths so much?

The considerable friction between evolutionists and Creationism, while having may facets, might well boil down to a singe idea that includes most of monotheism. That is the idea that man is 'created' in the image and likeness of God. The assumptions attached to this 'idea' which is so primary to much of religious identity, and yet have little scriptural warrant in detail, stand in stark contradiction to Evolution. And has been unraveling for most of history.

For a species that is so dominated by materialism, which the just past holiday period makes so self evident, so excessive that the planets very capacity of maintaining life is coming under question, it is more and more difficult to even describe ourselves a 'spiritual'. As for morality, our species being the most destructive and self destructive on the planet have little claim to that title! We might honestly call ourselves 'Aspirational' but those aspirations remain unrealized. Those wishing for a more rational, more just, a greener and peaceful planet, who hoped for a sighting, even a glimpse of that dream coming to fruition, a reflection of human intellectual, moral and spiritual progress, have been disappointed. History continues to be written otherwise! That potential within the human condition would appear to be limited, like all species by the evolutionary root to which we are tied and unattainable by any means of measure of that of human understanding both scientific or religious. Thus the question is What is it to be and how are we are created 'in the image and likeness of God' ? For which there is no compelling and satisfying answer! And without that answer, I must presume that religion, in the truest sense of the word has yet to begin!






So-called "Creationism" is entirely out of proportion with the actual degree of atriction with their scriptures.

At first glance, it looks like only strict literalists would feel bothered by Evolution. But that is obviously not the case.

Could it be not so much due to what the Theory of Evolution says about the origin of species as because of the perceived lack of respect for God's plan and promise to humanity?

After all, Evolution can't ever disprove a Creator God, but by 19th century standards it may well look blasphemous and disrespectful. Those were the times of Comte's Positivism, of Manifest Destiny (a term coined in 1845, while Darwin's work took form somewhere between 1838 and 1844), of the last few decades of true pretige of the idea that Monarchs had rights given by God.

The 19th century was very troubled by the slow, painful realization by an Eurocentric society that the world was not destined to develop in such a way as to immortalize their history, yet Darwin's findings pretty much stated that humanity lucked out into its privileged position and was far more likely than not to eventually fall from it.

It is my educated guess that for many people of the time that idea was unbearable. Many Christians seem to think of their faith as basically a religion about a promise from God (not unlike Islam), and right there was a strong indication that such a stance was at odds with actual facts. Discrediting the Theory of Evolution became too much of a temptation.

Any thoughts?
 

MikeSavage

Active Member
So-called "Creationism" is entirely out of proportion with the actual degree of atriction with their scriptures.

At first glance, it looks like only strict literalists would feel bothered by Evolution. But that is obviously not the case.

Could it be not so much due to what the Theory of Evolution says about the origin of species as because of the perceived lack of respect for God's plan and promise to humanity?

After all, Evolution can't ever disprove a Creator God, but by 19th century standards it may well look blasphemous and disrespectful. Those were the times of Comte's Positivism, of Manifest Destiny (a term coined in 1845, while Darwin's work took form somewhere between 1838 and 1844), of the last few decades of true pretige of the idea that Monarchs had rights given by God.

The 19th century was very troubled by the slow, painful realization by an Eurocentric society that the world was not destined to develop in such a way as to immortalize their history, yet Darwin's findings pretty much stated that humanity lucked out into its privileged position and was far more likely than not to eventually fall from it.

It is my educated guess that for many people of the time that idea was unbearable. Many Christians seem to think of their faith as basically a religion about a promise from God (not unlike Islam), and right there was a strong indication that such a stance was at odds with actual facts. Discrediting the Theory of Evolution became too much of a temptation.

Any thoughts?
Evolution is a fabrication. God's word, is not. It bothers faiths so much because ALL religions are false. Only the "one true faith" that Jesus taught isn't false, and it's no religion. It's a faith in God, His son, and God's inspired word. It's doing the ENTIRE WILL OF GOD with NO exceptions whatsoever, and very very few ever do that. Even less even know what it is, since NO religion teaches it. That's by design as Satan is "misleading the entire inhabited Earth" using false translations of God's word, and by false religion (ALL religion is false). And, of course, peer pressure, advertising, entertainment, politics, the educational system, and on and on.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Evolution is not biological fact. All so called evidence of it has always been proven to be fabrications. There exist no transitional creatures one to the other.

I would ask why so many Creationists lie so recklessly. But I fear I might know the answer already.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Lie? Why does ANYONE lie so recklessly? The scriptures are quite clear on who created what, and when, and how. Science, not so much.
Lie? The scriptures may be quite clear, but they are, at best, a diverting historical novel, and at worst ...

Science, on the other hand, gives you the best evaluation available based on real, demonstrable evidence. It may not be as complete as the fairy tale, but it is far more accurate.
 

MikeSavage

Active Member
Lie? The scriptures may be quite clear, but they are, at best, a diverting historical novel, and at worst ...

Science, on the other hand, gives you the best evaluation available based on real, demonstrable evidence. It may not be as complete as the fairy tale, but it is far more accurate.
The scriptures are the ONLY reliable scientific origination of any scientific evidence, ever. The first book to say the Earth hangs on nothing, the BEST medical advice ever, the BEST psychological advice ever, the BEST monetary and business advice ever. The BEST hygeine advice ever. The best explanation of origination of species ever. What fairy tale? Your evolution is the fairy tale according to God. Your evolution thoery, and not even pieces of it are proven, is nothing more than wishful thinking by those who discount our creator. It is really delusional thinking.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
The scriptures are the ONLY reliable scientific origination of any scientific evidence, ever.
That is an unsupported, and in my view unsupportable claim. The only argument that can be made for it is that is says so in scripture, and the is circular reasoning at its most absurd.
The first book to say the Earth hangs on nothing,
Wrong, the Earth hangs on the invisible force of gravity, that is what makes orbital mechanics work, that is what the Earth "hangs" on.
the BEST medical advice ever,
That is too ignorant to even bother with, but how 'bout this: If you're sick, find some church elders to put oil on you and pray and you will be healed.

"Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him." - James 5:13-15

How to deal with Leprosy: Take two birds; kill one, dip the live one in the dead one's blood, sprinkle over the leper and voila!

"This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest: And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper; Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean , and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop: And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water: As for the living bird, he shall take it , and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water: And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field." - Leviticus 14:3-7

...and there's the classic: Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions because of the Bible "And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people." - Leviticus 17:10
the BEST psychological advice ever,
You mean the part about killing disrespectful children?
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid." Deuteronomy 21:18-21:

The cure for rape is 50 shekels? "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." - Deuteronomy 22:28-29


That should suffice to make the point, I see no need to rub it in any further.

(with thanks to http://www.freethoughtpedia.com)/wiki/Bad_Bible_Advice
 

MikeSavage

Active Member
That is an unsupported, and in my view unsupportable claim. The only argument that can be made for it is that is says so in scripture, and the is circular reasoning at its most absurd.
Wrong, the Earth hangs on the invisible force of gravity, that is what makes orbital mechanics work, that is what the Earth "hangs" on.
That is too ignorant to even bother with, but how 'bout this: If you're sick, find some church elders to put oil on you and pray and you will be healed.

"Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him." - James 5:13-15

How to deal with Leprosy: Take two birds; kill one, dip the live one in the dead one's blood, sprinkle over the leper and voila!

"This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest: And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper; Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean , and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop: And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water: As for the living bird, he shall take it , and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water: And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field." - Leviticus 14:3-7

...and there's the classic: Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions because of the Bible "And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people." - Leviticus 17:10
You mean the part about killing disrespectful children?
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid." Deuteronomy 21:18-21:

The cure for rape is 50 shekels? "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." - Deuteronomy 22:28-29


That should suffice to make the point, I see no need to rub it in any further.

(with thanks to http://www.freethoughtpedia.com)/wiki/Bad_Bible_Advice
Since "in your view" means nothing, then your opinions are worthless. The scriptures contained that information long before you showed up, and trust me, God is more intelligent than you are. After all, you are His creation. What I posted is completely accurate, what you posted is twisted to support your untrue claims. That's dishonest on your part.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Since "in your view" means nothing, then your opinions are worthless. The scriptures contained that information long before you showed up, and trust me, God is more intelligent than you are. After all, you are His creation. What I posted is completely accurate, what you posted is twisted to support your untrue claims. That's dishonest on your part.
I have pointed out, with specific examples, how scriptural "advisories" can be downright stupid (despite your unsupported claims to the contrary), but true to form instead of attempting to show how those pieces of outright ignorance are supportable claims (and by that I mean your claims that I falsified: The first book to say the Earth hangs on nothing, the BEST medical advice ever, the BEST psychological advice ever), you retreat into the last refuges to the intellectually inept, name calling and fantasy.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
The scriptures are the ONLY reliable scientific origination of any scientific evidence, ever. The first book to say the Earth hangs on nothing, the BEST medical advice ever, the BEST psychological advice ever, the BEST monetary and business advice ever. The BEST hygeine advice ever.
But not the best spell-checker.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Why does ANYONE lie so recklessly?

What we see, is this happening by some theist who feel they have to protect their faith, they know nothing about.

It is one thing to be dishonest about science they are ignorant of.

But its much worse when they do not have theistic knowledge either.
 

MikeSavage

Active Member
What we see, is this happening by some theist who feel they have to protect their faith, they know nothing about.

It is one thing to be dishonest about science they are ignorant of.

But its much worse when they do not have theistic knowledge either.
Relatively speaking, only a small handful of people on Earth know anything about God. Barely more know a lot about science. And yes, they lie to attempt to convince others that they DO know about those things. They lie to further some agenda also, and to make themselves look better in other's eyes. They lie for money, sex, immorality, power, and control. they lie to help Satan knowingly, or unknowingly. And they lie for many other reasons.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Relatively speaking, only a small handful of people on Earth know anything about God.

Having studied this to great length, what would you like to know?


We know much more then you would ever understand.


The first fact I will tell you, is that god is a concept that has evolved for thousands of years. Not up for debate. People factually have defined the concept differently. Christians define it different then Jews who define it different from muslims. Its a fact.

So now WHO is defining the deity makes all the difference.

Have you studied any aspect of this at all? or just your religious views to your one particular religion?

Do you understand how early Israelites defined him? from 1200 BC to 1000 BC what about 1000 BC to 800 BC? what about from 800 BC to 622 BC?


Do you know any scholarships on this at all?



And they lie for many other reasons.

In 5-6 years of study, I have seem creationist lie countless times, yet science I have never seen lie.

Mike, evolution is now fact brother.
 
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