If JHVH = 'Lord', then Jesus is JHVH

katiemygirl said:

Jesus is Emmanuel, which means God with us.

God can do anything! He chose to come to earth as a man. Why do you find this so impossible?

With God, all things are possible! Don't you believe that?

Can animals talk? God made a little donkey talk once. God can do anything He wants.

He created everything from nothing. That doesn't seem possible either, does it? Yet, He did it!

God has done many things, which seem impossible.

Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

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God cannot lie =
(Deu 6:4 KJV) Hear, O Israel: YHWH-YaH our God is one YHWH-YaH:
(Zec 14:9 KJV) And YHWH-YaH shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one YHWH-YaH, and his name ONE.

(Titus 1:1 KJV) Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
(Titus 1:2 KJV) In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

(Heb 6:18 KJV) That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

(Heb 6:16 KJV) For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
(Heb 6:17 KJV) Wherein God, willing more abundantly to show unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
(Heb 6:18 KJV) That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
(Heb 6:19 KJV) Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
(Heb 6:20 KJV) Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

God does not change. He does not go from being one YHWH-YaH to being a man made word trinity and a 3 in 1 YHWH-YaH.

God never gave the man made word word trinity in His purified seven times word of God

(Mal 3:6 KJV) For I am YHWH-YaH, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob-Israel are not consumed.

(Psa 12:6 KJV) The words of YHWH-YaH are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
(Psa 12:7 KJV) Thou shalt keep them, O YHWH-YaH, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

willyah

kjv4me2you said:

God cannot lie =
(Titus 1:1 KJV) Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

(Titus 1:2 KJV) In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
(Heb 6:18 KJV) That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

God does not change. He does not go from being YHWH-YaH to being a man made doctrine of 3 in 1.

God never gave the man made word word trinity in His purified seven times word of God

(Deu 6:4 KJV) Hear, O Israel: YHWH-YaH our God is one YHWH-YaH:


(Mal 3:6 KJV) For I am YHWH-YaH, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

(Psa 12:6 KJV) The words of YHWH-YaH are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
(Psa 12:7 KJV) Thou shalt keep them, O YHWH-YaH, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

willyah

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I never suggested God could lie. You're avoiding the obvious. With God, all things are possible. Matthew 19:26. That is a Scripture. I didn't make it up.

Read Gen. 18. God came to earth as a man and met and conversed with Abraham.

kjv4me2you said:

God cannot lie =
(Deu 6:4 KJV) Hear, O Israel: YHWH-YaH our God is one YHWH-YaH:
(Zec 14:9 KJV) And YHWH-YaH shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one YHWH-YaH, and his name ONE.

(Titus 1:1 KJV) Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
(Titus 1:2 KJV) In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

(Heb 6:18 KJV) That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

(Heb 6:16 KJV) For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
(Heb 6:17 KJV) Wherein God, willing more abundantly to show unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
(Heb 6:18 KJV) That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
(Heb 6:19 KJV) Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
(Heb 6:20 KJV) Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

God does not change. He does not go from being one YHWH-YaH to being a man made word trinity and a 3 in 1 YHWH-YaH.

God never gave the man made word word trinity in His purified seven times word of God

(Mal 3:6 KJV) For I am YHWH-YaH, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

(Psa 12:6 KJV) The words of YHWH-YaH are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
(Psa 12:7 KJV) Thou shalt keep them, O YHWH-YaH, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

willyah

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It is not possible for God to lie so all things are not possible for YHWH-YaH to do.
Again I say God cannot lie =
(Deu 6:4 KJV) Hear, O Israel: YHWH-YaH our God is one YHWH-YaH:
(Zec 14:9 KJV) And YHWH-YaH shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one YHWH-YaH, and his name ONE.

(Titus 1:1 KJV) Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
(Titus 1:2 KJV) In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

(Heb 6:18 KJV) That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

katiemygirl said:

I never suggested God could lie. You're avoiding the obvious. With God, all things are possible. Matthew 19:26. That is a Scripture. I didn't make it up.

Read Gen. 18. God came to earth as a man and met and conversed with Abraham.

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There is no word trinity in Gen 18 anywhere>
(Gen 18:1 KJV) And YHWH-YaH appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

(Gen 18:2 KJV) And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Remember this was a vision Abraham was having. It was not really three men but a vision by Abraham of three men. Comparable to John the apostle when he saw a Lamb.
(Rev 5:6 KJV) And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

The One YHWH-YaH went His ways while the two angels went to Sodom.
The two angels were the two who were with the One YHWH-YaH when YaH appeared to Abraham in the plains of Mamre.

(Gen 18:33 KJV) And YHWH-YaH went His way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

(Gen 19:1 KJV) And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

willyah

kjv4me2you said:

There is no word trinity in Gen 18 anywhere>
(Gen 18:1 KJV) And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

(Gen 18:2 KJV) And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

willyah

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Never said there was.

I was simply pointing out that YAWEH, Himself, came to earth as a man, and spoke to Abraham.

katiemygirl said:

Never said there was.

I was simply pointing out that YAWEH, Himself, came to earth as a man, and spoke to Abraham.

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Read my last post I added some more to it. TY

katiemygirl said:

Never said there was.

I was simply pointing out that YAWEH, Himself, came to earth as a man, and spoke to Abraham.

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YHWH-YaH is
(1 Tim 1:17 KJV) Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
(John 1:18 KJV) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
(1 John 4:12 KJV) No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
(1 John 4:13 KJV) Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

Do you not agree with YHWH-YaH regarding what he said about Himself?
He is invisible and Jesus said God is Spirit but you want to make God a man because of Abraham's vision, Perhaps you misunderstand what a vision means.

willyah

disciple said:

Catholic church schtick is sorta outside the sphere of influence for me. (Wrong parts of Europe)/ Nevertheless, the 'trinity' idea is a description of concepts found in the bible, not an invention. You don't have to use the word. 'trinity'. I don't why would I ? Anyways, they were trying to rationalize or describe the belief in multiple manifestation deity concept. It's a pretty good description, but it's just that, you can understand manifestation deity ideas without the 'trinity' idea, or catholic church writings. My recommendation for people who don't understand these ideas is to check out hindu writings, like the Bhagavad Gita. I have Prabhupadas version. You find these multiple manifestation of one deity concepts quite prevelant in Hinduism.

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If YHWH-YaH did not talk about trinity or use the word trinity in all His Word, then it did not exist in the mind
of God. The trinity is a word of men that constantly flies in the face of the truth of the one YHWH-YaH and God of all.

(Zec 14:9 KJV) And YHWH-YaH shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one YHWH-YaH, and His name-YHWH-YaH one.

(Deu 6:4 KJV) Hear, O Israel: YHWH-YaH our God-Elohim is one YHWH-YaH:

(Psa 12:6 KJV) The words of YHWH-YaH are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
(Psa 12:7 KJV) Thou shalt keep them, O YHWH-YaH, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
God shows man in His Word that He is not the word trinity that means three but rather He is ONE God and that His name is YHWH-YaH.

God manifest-reveals Himself in all His Word

(Rom 1:19 KJV) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.

You will notice in Rom 1: verse 20 that the Godhead is cited as "His" and not "their" eternal power and
Godhead.There is no excuse qith YHWH-YaH for teaching the Godhead means"theirs" or "trinity."

(Rom 1:20 KJV) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

This was Israel that was not Israel who when they knew God they glorified Him not as God a Spirit. The first thing to go is being thankful to God and then they became vain in their imaginations and began to think with their natural mind. They no longer had a spiritual mind that they once had to understood the word of God for their doctrines of faith.

(Rom 1:21 KJV) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


When anyone begins professing their own wisdom, their own man made words as their doctrines while bypassing the the words of YHWH-YaH that are pure words, purified seven times in a furnace of earth. I ask what words of men are pure words that are purified seven times in a furnace of earth? I would like to know of such words. You cannot not wrap a word or words of men with the word of God and expect the words of men to be pure for doctrines. Will not happen.

(Rom 1:22 KJV) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

The evidence against such men is always the same. They changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man ( mortal body ) and then to birds ( fowl the carrier of all viruses), and fourfooted beasts (cows, monkeys) , and creeping things ( insects). It takes time but eventually such men will even imagine

God as fourfooted beasts. Notice from God a singular corruptible man to God a trinity, to God as plural fourfooted beasts. The determination of every generation of men is to make God a corruptible man and it seems we have reached the halfway mark with their making of God in doctrine as a trinity of corruptible men.

(Rom 1:23 KJV) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Why is there uncleaness, lustful hearts and why do such men and woman dishonour their own bodies between themselves

(Rom 1:24 KJV) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

(Rom 1:25 KJV) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

(Rom 1:26 KJV) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

(Rom 1:27 KJV) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

(Rom 1:28 KJV) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

(Rom 1:29 KJV) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

(Rom 1:30 KJV) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

(Rom 1:31 KJV) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

(Rom 1:32 KJV) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

VERILY, VERILY AGAIN I SAY
If YHWH-YaH did not talk about trinity or use the word trinity in all His Word, then it did not exist in the mindof God. The trinity is a word of men that constantly flies in the face of the truth of the one YHWH-YaH and God of all.

(Zec 14:9 KJV) And YHWH-YaH shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one YHWH-YaH, and His name-YHWH-YaH one.

(Deu 6:4 KJV) Hear, O Israel: YHWH-YaH our God-Elohim is one YHWH-YaH:

willyah

kjv4me2you said:

If YHWH-YaH did not talk about trinity or use the word trinity in all His Word, then it did not exist in the mind
of God. The trinity is a word of men that constantly flies in the face of the truth of the one YHWH-YaH and God of all.

(Zec 14:9 KJV) And YHWH-YaH shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one YHWH-YaH, and His name-YHWH-YaH one.

(Deu 6:4 KJV) Hear, O Israel: YHWH-YaH our God-Elohim is one YHWH-YaH:

(Psa 12:6 KJV) The words of YHWH-YaH are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
(Psa 12:7 KJV) Thou shalt keep them, O YHWH-YaH, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
God shows man in His Word that He is not the word trinity that means three but rather He is ONE God and that His name is YHWH-YaH.

God manifest-reveals Himself in all His Word

(Rom 1:19 KJV) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.

You will notice in Rom 1: verse 20 that the Godhead is cited as "His" and not "their" eternal power and
Godhead.There is no excuse qith YHWH-YaH for teaching the Godhead means"theirs" or "trinity."

(Rom 1:20 KJV) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

This was Israel that was not Israel who when they knew God they glorified Him not as God a Spirit. The first thing to go is being thankful to God and then they became vain in their imaginations and began to think with their natural mind. They no longer had a spiritual mind that they once had to understood the word of God for their doctrines of faith.

(Rom 1:21 KJV) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


When anyone begins professing their own wisdom, their own man made words as their doctrines while bypassing the the words of YHWH-YaH that are pure words, purified seven times in a furnace of earth. I ask what words of men are pure words that are purified seven times in a furnace of earth? I would like to know of such words. You cannot not wrap a word or words of men with the word of God and expect the words of men to be pure for doctrines. Will not happen.

(Rom 1:22 KJV) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

The evidence against such men is always the same. They changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man ( mortal body ) and then to birds ( fowl the carrier of all viruses), and fourfooted beasts (cows, monkeys) , and creeping things ( insects). It takes time but eventually such men will even imagine

God as fourfooted beasts. Notice from God a singular corruptible man to God a trinity, to God as plural four
footed beasts. The determination of every generation of men is to make God a corruptible man and it seems we have reached the halfway mark with their making of God in doctrine as a trinity of corruptible men.

(Rom 1:23 KJV) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Why is there uncleaness, lustful hearts and why do such men and woman dishonour their own bodies between themselves

(Rom 1:24 KJV) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

(Rom 1:25 KJV) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

(Rom 1:26 KJV) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

(Rom 1:27 KJV) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

(Rom 1:28 KJV) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

(Rom 1:29 KJV) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

(Rom 1:30 KJV) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

(Rom 1:31 KJV) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

(Rom 1:32 KJV) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

VERILY, VERILY AGAIN I SAY
If YHWH-YaH did not talk about trinity or use the word trinity in all His Word, then it did not exist in the mind
of God. The trinity is a word of men that constantly flies in the face of the truth of the one YHWH-YaH and God of all.

(Zec 14:9 KJV) And YHWH-YaH shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one YHWH-YaH, and His name-YHWH-YaH one.

(Deu 6:4 KJV) Hear, O Israel: YHWH-YaH our God-Elohim is one YHWH-YaH:

willyah

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I never called myself a 'trinitarian'. 'Trinity' is not an absolute term, technically if it means 'three things' I'm not a Trinitarian at all.

ie technically the OP is not a trinity doctrine position.

disciple said:

I never called myself a 'trinitarian'. 'Trinity' is not an absolute term, technically if it means 'three things' I'm not a Trinitarian at all.

ie technically the OP is not a trinity doctrine position.

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Huh???????

Lyndon said:

No, but JHVH is LORD, not Lord, in most English translations, LORD, or LORD GOD.

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At some point the translators just started to capitalize the titles. The words are the same. Basically that's also how we know that the original intent was that Jesus is the same 'title' as JHVH.
The later 'capitalization' of the title is probably it's own topic.

Wrong, the Hebrew words are quite different, remember the Bible was not written in English, you don't seem to be able to comprehend this.

Lyndon said:

Wrong, the Hebrew words are quite different, remember the Bible was not written in English, you don't seem to be able to comprehend this.

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When they translated Bibles into other languages, they used the 'titles' that the intended meaning matched, so I'm not 'wrong', it's that you didn't understand what I was referring to.

What they tried to do but didn't always is use a title that corresponds exactly to the Hebrew word used, at least in the KJV.

Lyndon said:

What they tried to do but didn't always is use a title that corresponds exactly to the Hebrew word used, at least in the KJV.

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Should explain this, it's always being presented.

The titles follow a methodology that is 'direct'
JHVH
Adon'ai
=
New Testament, Kurios or variant,
English, Lord.

The Christian Bible doesn't make sense when Jesus isn't [god Lord,
As opposed to sir, or whatever,
Because it wasn't written in the manner that Jesus isn't the Lord in the Old Testament, Adon'ai, God.

The 'differences' in some bibles now is a convention [probably based on belief, not the way the Bible is actually written.

Lyndon said:

The trinity concept is not in the Bible but was developed by the early Catholic church some hundreds years later.

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The trinity concept isn't in the Bible, because they were just calling Jesus, Lord, Adon'ai,

The 'Lord God', of the Old Testament.

JayJayDee said:

The early "church fathers" did not write scripture. There is a reason why the Bible stops at Revelation, penned at the end of the first century.

There is no trinity in either Jewish or first century Christian teachings.

The "weeds" of the apostasy that Jesus and his apostles foretold were not sown recently. The apostles warned about the appearance of these ones before they passed off the earthly scene. Nothing written from the second century onwards can be trusted without first testing to see if they agree with the entirety of scripture. Nothing that originated in the Catholic Church does.

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How true! If the Jews are supposed to be God's chosen people, then why do they not believe in the trinity. You would figure that if any race or religion that would believe in it, if the trinity was true, would be them. Esp, them!! If you went over to Israel today and asked someone about the trinity, they would find that false doctrine totally repulsive.

All through the ages, God is one. It's all about the oneness of our Heavenly Father. Isaiah tells us that there is no other God beside Him. Main stream Christianity says that wrong, there are Gods beside our God. God the son and God the Holy Spirit. Ugghhhh!!!! lol

Good post, Thanks!!

moorea944 said:

How true! If the Jews are supposed to be God's chosen people, then why do they not believe in the trinity. You would figure that if any race or religion that would believe in it, if the trinity was true, would be them. Esp, them!! If you went over to Israel today and asked someone about the trinity, they would find that false doctrine totally repulsive.

All through the ages, God is one. It's all about the oneness of our Heavenly Father. Isaiah tells us that there is no other God beside Him. Main stream Christianity says that wrong, there are Gods beside our God. God the son and God the Holy Spirit. Ugghhhh!!!! lol

Good post, Thanks!!

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Who raised Jesus?
Romans 10:9
'God has raised'

John 10:10:17
'Myself raise'
John 10:18
'Have the power to take it again'[Jesus saying He raises Himself, John 10:17-18, and has the power to do that, so forth, and
Romans 10:9
'God has raised'.

Jesus is God.

Unless you worship a different 'g-d', of course.

JHVH being one of various names for 'g-d', it is being used here
for purposes of signifying 'g-d', the Biblical God, generally.

Desert Snake said:

Who raised Jesus?
Romans 10:9
'God has raised'

John 10:10:17
'Myself raise'
John 10:18
'Have the power to take it again'[Jesus saying He raises Himself, John 10:17-18, and has the power to do that, so forth, and
Romans 10:9
'God has raised'.

Jesus is God.

Unless you worship a different 'g-d', of course.

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Just a few things about your version of God and Jesus. We know that God cannot die, but you say God can die? Since in your version Jesus is God? And since Jesus is God he can raise himself up from the dead? Does that really make sense to you? First of all, scripture doesnt say Jesus is God, it says that Jesus is the son of God, a man... So i'm really not quite sure where this God man thing is coming. But anyhow.....

So let's look at John 10: 17-19 "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

Jesus is emphasizing the voluntary nature of his life sacrifice. Keep in mind, he laid down his life every single day of his life... not just in his completely voluntary sacrificial death. That initial "taking again" in verse 17 is not guaranteed. Jesus does NOT say... I lay down my life so that I WILL take it again... but that he "might" take it again. There were conditions. However if this were God lying about being his own son taking back a life that could not possibly be lost in the first place.... there would be no conditions whatsoever, because the Creator is immortal and does not have the capacity to cease living. That would be a joke.

What Jesus is emphasizing is that his death would not be out of his control. His death would be completely voluntary. He could have stopped his arrest and execution procedure at any point he chose. He had the capacity to "take his life" (his mortal life) again at any point. That issue is childishly simple. Those who came to arrest him with all their numbers and weapons and torches actually fell down after stepping back in fear when all he did was identify himself in the darkness (John 18:6). All Jesus had to do was to say BOO and that large company of well armed guards would have run screaming in panic down the Mount of Olives presuming they were all going to be incinerated by fire from heaven.

We also have Pilate looking for any excuse to free Jesus of Nazareth, especially after his wife scared him with reports of her troubling dream (Matt 27:19). Jesus gave him no opportunity as he was silent. Pilate was left with no other option.

Jesus could have 'taken back his life' at any time during that arrest, the 2 Sanhedrin trials in the illegal darkness and the Roman governor trial in the early morning. Jesus chose to voluntarily sacrifice his life. .

The Father of Jesus gave his son complete control of the voluntary nature of his life sacrifice on the cross. Jesus certainly had the privilege to take his life back and refuse to be a voluntary sacrifice so that he could validate his Father's righteousness in demanding death for sin in Eden.

There is no legitimacy whatsoever in presuming the "taking again" of the life of Jesus had anything whatsoever to do with his immortalization. That privilege of "taking again" was defining the completely voluntary nature of the life sacrifice of our Savior.