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The Trinity

cataway

cataway

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Yes said:
How many times are we going to discuss together before you get it that I do not believe in the trinity doctrine?
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you may not realize it but your sending some confusing signals. you say you do not believe in the trinity , OK ,very well and good . but then you say Jesus IS the most high God . sorry but the bible does not support that idea . what it does say is that Jesus is the son of God . that he , Jesus is subject to the most high God Jehovah .
 
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moorea944 said:
They are different in alot of ways. Let's see what scripture tells us.
God is One, Almighty, Sovereign, no beginning, always immortal, Creator and sustainer and Father of all. Jesus wasnt.
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Use scripture.

moorea944 said:
Jesus was born, made and is God's only Son. He is also from the line of David. God isnt.
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You just described a Man. Jesus is God come in the flesh as a Man.

moorea944 said:
Scripture tells us that God works through Jesus. Why if he is God, why would he need help from anyone?
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God came as a Man.

moorea944 said:
Everything Jesus does is from God, his Father. God had him everything. There is so much more, but I'm not going to list everything. This is something that you should aleady know yourself. And I think you really do.

Philippians 2 is not "he made himself nothing". I dont know what bible your reading. KJV, along with many other versions, state that, " he made himself no reputation". BIG difference.
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You just described God coming as a Man.

So far, the only difference that you gave about God and Jesus is that Jesus is a Man. Didn't I tell you that God came as a Man?

You have given no difference between God and Jesus Christ.
 
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cataway said:
you may not realize it but your sending some confusing signals. you say you do not believe in the trinity , OK ,very well and good . but then you say Jesus IS the most high God . sorry but the bible does not support that idea . what it does say is that Jesus is the son of God . that he , Jesus is subject to the most high God Jehovah .
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You cannot even see that there are three does not automatically make a trinity doctrine. How are you going to understand Jesus is God if you cannot even grasp that there are others beliefs about the three besides the trinity?
 
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Oh how I love the Word of God!
cataway said:
you may not realize it but your sending some confusing signals. you say you do not believe in the trinity , OK ,very well and good . but then you say Jesus IS the most high God . sorry but the bible does not support that idea . what it does say is that Jesus is the son of God . that he , Jesus is subject to the most high God Jehovah .
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Jesus is a Man. Jesus came from heaven. Jesus CAME FORTH from God. That is what the Bible says. Now, listen...those who come forth from us are our children.
Jesus is God come as a Man in the flesh, but he is called a Son, because he comes FORTH from God.
 
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Oh how I love the Word of God!
cataway said:
does the bible support your idea that jesus is God ? or does it instead say that Jesus is a god ?
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Jesus is God.
Jesus calls himself the exact name GOD calls Himself in the Old Testament. In the Old Testament, even before Jesus was known.

God says that people will call Jesus God, Father, and the Holy Spirit, and that is what I call him.

Isaiah 9:6 HCSB For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on His shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Why do you have a problem with my calling Jesus the names that God gave him?

In the Old Testament, God calls HIMSELF THE FIRST AND THE LAST. That is exactly what Jesus calls himself in Revelation!

Isaiah 44:6 "This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12 "Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.
JESUS calls HIMSELF the FIRST and the LAST in Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

Read Revelation 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Jesus calls himself the SAME EXACT name that God calls Himself. So then, why do you have a problem with my calling Jesus God?
 
cataway

cataway

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Yes said:
Jesus calls himself the SAME EXACT name that God calls Himself. So then, why do you have a problem with my calling Jesus God?
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I have been through the bible many times , I don't ever recall Jesus ever calling himself Jehovah
 
cataway

cataway

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but you said ''Jesus calls himself the exact name GOD calls Himself in the Old Testament''

BTW that would be'' Jehovah ''
 
JayJayDee

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
Yes said:
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2:24.
Through the sacrifice of Jesus, he gives to all those that come to him freedom from the guilt, power, and punishment of sin. See Hebrews 10:4; 1 Corinthians 15:56; See 2 Peter 2:9.
Through Jesus, we have grace from God and love. Jesus puts us into perfect holiness, joy, and fellowship with himself and the Father. See Hebrews 10:10; Hebrews 1:9; 2 Corinthians 13:14. Through Jesus’ death we are reconciled to God. See Romans 5:10.
Jesus appeared so that he might take away our sins. See 1 John 3:5.
God sent his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. See Romans 8:3.
An offering for the sins of His people. See Hebrews 10:5.
The LORD has made his life a sacrifice for our wrongdoings. See Isaiah 53:10.
It was the LORD’s will to crush him with suffering. See Isaiah 53:10.
He was made sin because the sins of His people were transferred to Jesus, and in like manner, the believer is made “the righteousness of God.” See 2 Corinthians 5:25.
Christ, who knew no sin of his own became sin for believers, so they, who have no righteousness of their own, are made the righteousness of God through Jesus. See 2 Corinthians 5:21.
“And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. See Hebrews 10:17.
God gives us this through Jesus Christ, “where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.” See Hebrews 10:18.
Jesus bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. See Isaiah 53:12
Jesus Christ once for all has made us holy through the sacrifice of his body. Hebrews 10:10.
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. See Colossians 1:19-21,
God sanctifies us by the truth; His word is truth. John 17:17.
Jesus sanctified himself, that he may truly sanctify us. John 17:19.
Jesus was made perfect through suffering. Hebrews 2:10.
Jesus is able to sympathize with our weaknesses. Hebrews 4:15.
We have cleansing by the washing with water through the word. Ephesians 2:26.
We are also to purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God. 2 Corinthians 7:1.
Jesus conquered death when God raised him from the dead. 2 Timothy 1:10.
God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son. John 3:16.
He who has the Son has life; He who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12.
All who reject Jesus will one day face God’s wrath. John 3:36
His words are life. John 6:63
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And yet not once do you explain why Jesus had to be God to accomplish what he did as Messiah. He was sent from heaven because he was a mighty spirit son of God.....he didn't have to BE God to do any of what you said.

How many times are we going to discuss together before you get it that I do not believe in the trinity doctrine?
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And yet you say...."The New Testament speaks of God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The scriptures show us there are three." Sounds like a trinity to me. o_O

You speak of Adam, and you should, for all humans are after Adam, and all humans sin. Jesus is no mere human. Jesus is God in the flesh and has no sin.
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And yet there is not one scripture to demonstrate that Jesus was God in the flesh.

Stop letting Satan work through you by hating me and falsely judging me. Humble your heart, then you will see the love in what I say, and then God will grant you repentance unto the truth.
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Oh good grief! What's with the drama queen stuff? :confused:

Disagreeing with you is not hating you or false judging you. Get a grip....other people love the word of God too...they just don't read it the way you do.

Can you not handle disagreement without resorting to this kind of response? Seriously, climb down.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
/nudges the crowd/ I don't understand why the "Jesus IS God" believers don't see that Jesus is speaking in behalf of His Father. As such, whatever Jesus says IS of His Father. He is a representation of His Father because of His combined nature (as One) with the Father. They are separate and they are combined as one because they share the same nature of perfection--that is why Jesus is allowed to speak on His Father's behalf which other humans cannot do.
 
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Oh how I love the Word of God!
JayJayDee said:
And yet not once do you explain why Jesus had to be God to accomplish what he did as Messiah. He was sent from heaven because he was a mighty spirit son of God.....he didn't have to BE God to do any of what you said.
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I did explain it. You just deny the truth.

The Bible says that Jesus is the Word of God, and was with God in the beginning, and WAS GOD.


JayJayDee said:
And yet you say...."The New Testament speaks of God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The scriptures show us there are three." Sounds like a trinity to me. o_O
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You have to learn something new now.
The word trinity is not in the Bible, nor is the trinity doctrine.

JayJayDee said:
And yet there is not one scripture to demonstrate that Jesus was God in the flesh.
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John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

JayJayDee said:
Oh good grief! What's with the drama queen stuff? :confused:
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I do think you describe yourself.

What else do you got to defend your false beliefs with besides insults?

JayJayDee said:
Disagreeing with you is not hating you or false judging you. Get a grip....other people love the word of God too...they just don't read it the way you do.

Can you not handle disagreement without resorting to this kind of response? Seriously, climb down.
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You do not just disagree, you resort to insults.

Do you remember saying these lies about me:


"You appear to see yourself as some sort of crusader.....but your stance is not Christ-like. You want to force things down people's throats, when Jesus never taught like that. He never forced people to listen to him, nor did he make people feel worthless. He appealed to their sense of reason and presented the truth for them to either accept or reject. He never 'guilt-tripped' anyone nor did he berate them for not accepting his words.

I do not doubt your zeal, but your approach is not at all inviting.....it is rather repelling. :("
 
cataway

cataway

Well-Known Member
at acts 3:15 we read that Jesus is the chief agent .
he is an agent for Jehovah . strange how many people do not know the authority that an agent has .
 
cataway

cataway

Well-Known Member
Yes said:
I did explain it. You just deny the truth.

The Bible says that Jesus is the Word of God, and was with God in the beginning, and WAS GOD.



You have to learn something new now.
The word trinity is not in the Bible, nor is the trinity doctrine.



John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.



I do think you describe yourself.

What else do you got to defend your false beliefs with besides insults?


You do not just disagree, you resort to insults.

Do you remember saying these lies about me:


"You appear to see yourself as some sort of crusader.....but your stance is not Christ-like. You want to force things down people's throats, when Jesus never taught like that. He never forced people to listen to him, nor did he make people feel worthless. He appealed to their sense of reason and presented the truth for them to either accept or reject. He never 'guilt-tripped' anyone nor did he berate them for not accepting his words.

I do not doubt your zeal, but your approach is not at all inviting.....it is rather repelling. :("
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I do not see a insult
 
cataway

cataway

Well-Known Member
Yes said:
I did explain it. You just deny the truth.

The Bible says that Jesus is the Word of God, and was with God in the beginning, and WAS GOD.



You have to learn something new now.
The word trinity is not in the Bible, nor is the trinity doctrine.



John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.



I do think you describe yourself.

What else do you got to defend your false beliefs with besides insults?


You do not just disagree, you resort to insults.

Do you remember saying these lies about me:


"You appear to see yourself as some sort of crusader.....but your stance is not Christ-like. You want to force things down people's throats, when Jesus never taught like that. He never forced people to listen to him, nor did he make people feel worthless. He appealed to their sense of reason and presented the truth for them to either accept or reject. He never 'guilt-tripped' anyone nor did he berate them for not accepting his words.

I do not doubt your zeal, but your approach is not at all inviting.....it is rather repelling. :("
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wow I found some one that has some catching up to do
 
Yes

Yes

Oh how I love the Word of God!
cataway said:
but you said ''Jesus calls himself the exact name GOD calls Himself in the Old Testament''

BTW that would be'' Jehovah ''
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God and Jesus are the same.

God and Jesus are called the Savior.

God and Jesus are called the Shepherd.

God and Jesus are called the Redeemer.

God and Jesus are called the Rock.

God and Jesus are called the First and the Last.

They sound exactly the same to me.
 
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