May, please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't JW believe that when we die our spirit "sleeps" and that only those who will be resurrected actually ever come out of this sleep? I always throught you didn't believe in hellfire because those who end up in hell actually cease to exist. It is very possible that I have misunderstood your doctrine though.may said:
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses False Prophets?
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joeboonda
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JW's are sincere people, their prophets have been wrong many times in foretelling the return of Christ and their doctrine is not sound (IMO). Their are many good Christian websites that teach on what constitutes a cult or a false prophet. I would suggest checking sites and Christian bookstores, and read for oneself to decide if a particular sect, be it JW, LDS, or whatever falls within this category. If a sect calls itself Christian, it must meet the criteria. It is very difficult, for people use the same words but the meanings are different, and when a religious system looks so much like Christianity, and calls itself 'christian', and uses the same terminology, it takes great fortitude to honestly and thoroughly examine whether or not a religion is false or true. Good luck.
jazzalta
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In regards to false prophecy, some of the more egregious claims are those made in the evangelical movement. I refer you to this site.
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/fprophets.html
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/fprophets.html
Hi, the point i was trying to make was that JW do not believe in the commonly held belief that God will sent people to hellfire , because when anyone mentions hell that is what most people think of,and the poster (David-shem) who i was answering ,said that JW are the same as most christians and believe in hell , i was just making clear that JW do not believe in hellfirejonny said:
when we die if we are in Jehovahs memory it is as if, it is a sleep, because Jehovah has the power to bring us back to life . Jesus showed on a small scale when he was on earth, how it will be when the earthly resurrection takes place on the earth but maybe that is for another threadDavid_shem
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Helo May,
What else would I have meant by hell?, I believe though, you did not get the point I was trying to make. The Jehovah's Witnesses, may differ here and there on some of your doctrines of Christianity, but they do believe in Jesus, and the idea, that if you do not believe in him you are lost, how you are lost in a hellfire or some other way, whatever floats their boat, does it really matter? I would like to ask, since it was brought up here. What gives other Christian groups the authority to decide who is a cult, or a false religion or prophet? My belief, is: The Bible is the only authority on this subject, and I believe alot of religions fall short where the Bible is concernned. You may say they are not Christians, well let me say, if it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck then it must be a duck!
What else would I have meant by hell?, I believe though, you did not get the point I was trying to make. The Jehovah's Witnesses, may differ here and there on some of your doctrines of Christianity, but they do believe in Jesus, and the idea, that if you do not believe in him you are lost, how you are lost in a hellfire or some other way, whatever floats their boat, does it really matter? I would like to ask, since it was brought up here. What gives other Christian groups the authority to decide who is a cult, or a false religion or prophet? My belief, is: The Bible is the only authority on this subject, and I believe alot of religions fall short where the Bible is concernned. You may say they are not Christians, well let me say, if it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck then it must be a duck!
yes i agree the bible is the authority ,and as one of JW , i feel that the bible is the authority ,and recognizing the role that Jesus is doing in the out working of Jehovahs purpose for the earth is a requirement for everlasting lifeDavid_shem said:
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life ...John 3;16...Jesus is now a king in the established heavenly kingdom goverment ,and it is all happening just as the bible informs us, to reject Jesus as king in the heavens is not recognizing the part he is playing in the outworking of Gods purpose . bible prophecy is now well along in this time of the end , and it is Good news indeed to hear about the established kingdom in the heavens .the kingdom is the only way that peace will come to the earth . bring it on
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14 ....the end of manmade goverments what a relief,
(Matthew 6:10) Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth
Malkav's Knight
Member
Its that whole 144,000 things that bugs me. They are just another sect that soon realize that they are not offering anything new to the religious community. I have been to JW events and quite frankly, they freak the crap out of me. Weird.
literal visionary
Active Member
lets be truthful
This is a wack statement
I have a feeling that your only saying this because the LDS church is often compared to that of JWs
Why would people be totally removed from their community and family and friends and their entire faith if they didn't have a really really good reason too?
And its very hard to leave such an environment just because of the entire situation
literal visionary
Active Member
either way
a lie is a lie,
you can be politically correct, or you can tell people the truth...
most christians believe in the New test. and old,
it says in these texts specific rules and laws,
and beware false prophets,
so naturally if another book comes along and disregards the bible then that is against mainstream christianity, because it goes against the laws in the bible
and as a mainstream non denominational christian These kind of cultish offshoots of christianity frustrate me because people that dont know about the differance between mainstream christianity and offshoot churches get them confused.
I often get these like this from atheists
"oh your a christian? yeah your the people that came to my house harrassing me and trying to brainwash me."
Normal christians also do not appreciate the fact that some of the far fetched ideas of offshoot churches spreads the ideal that christians are just illogical ignorantpeople who will believe anything, even if it goes against historical, physical, and archeological evidence.
The unseemly and often wrong prophets of offshoot churches also cast a shadow on the true biblical prophets of old.
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
The groups that you've mentioned (LDS & JW, am I correct?) don't disregard the bible AT ALL. They simply approach and interpret parts of the Word differently.
I don't view these so called "offshoot" churches as being any less in relevance than my own religious denomination. We simply interpret parts of the The Word differently and view Christ a bit differently. If you're speaking of JW and LDS...we're all worshipping the very SAME God. Our interpretation of the Word differs and thus our religious practices and traditions differ.
If you're talking about Jehovah Witnesses...some of their biblical and religious views differ from the typical Protestant Christian but you know what...I realize now that these people are getting out there and they're doing what they feel the Bible instructs them to do...the Great Comission is to get out there and spread the Gospel...to Spread the Good News of Christ. I may not agree with their interpretation of what that entails... but I don't exactly see people from my church getting out there on the streets and trying to reach people like they do.
I no longer look down upon that at all...I realize that my church should be getting out there and spreading the gospel. We are the hands and feet of Christ, after all. Though my views may differ from LDS and Jehovah Witnesses...we're all children of the very same Father. And if the underlying motive is to bring people to Christ...then we're really not all THAT different, are we?
They're intent isn't to brainwash people...it's to get out and get the Word to the people. Our views may not reconcile 100% but I think our motivation is coming from the same source...God Almighty. I can obsess over the differences or I can choose to love people and rejoice in the common ground. I've learned during my time here...that I can be edified by doing the latter.
Who is a "normal" Christian? When you're comparing different religious groups...each INDIVIDUAL can only stand firm on what THEIR own interpretation of the gospel is.
And each INDIVIDUAL has the right to either accept or reject the ideas that others present to them.
I don't have to agree with another Christian's logic and understanding of the Bible but how on earth am I doing as Christ would have me do...if I belittle them or hate them or go out of my way to cause further dissention between our religions?
Maybe. Maybe not. If we all GET John 3:16...that embracing Christ is the ONLY way to be reconciled with the Father...then you'll find that "normal" and "offshoot" Christians have MUCH more in COMMON than not.
You can stand firm in your own belief system and even disagree with the belief systems of others but STILL cherish the common ground that you share...CHRIST JESUS. And Christ would have you love and respect that individual.
You don't have to love and accept the viewpoints of others but if you focus on and rejoice in what you have in common...TOGETHER as children of God...part of that SINGULAR Body of Christ...when you think of what could be achieved together...as far as bringing people to Christ...it's amazing!
literal visionary
Active Member
yes they are trying to spread the word of Jesus, but at the same time they are spreading fallacies, which shouldn't be accepted either way
the texts of offshoot churches are not in way similar to the New Test.
Jesus was the Messiah,
yes we are supposed to be helping spread the word but the way they go about it is not the right way, by coming up to peoples houses, they are crossing boundaries that most people are comfortable with, and Ive spoken to many door to door JWs And Mormons and I know their techniques, which their church teaches them. And it is not the best way to approach people, or try to communicate with them. People dont want to feel like they are being encountered by a spawn of a corporate entiity, or basisically a wandering salesman. they want to spoken to in a heartfelt sincere manner.
You have to get to know people before you approach them in such a manner about such a topic.
Anyways the practices of offshoot churches are in some ways oppressive and should not be spread. For example JWs fashion of excommunication, it is an unfair practice and by doing so they cause families to slpit up and endure years of pain.
How is this Godly?
Jesus came to earth to free the spirit of mankind, and to stop the perpetuating practices of religious oppression, to set us free, yet here we are in modern times still allowing ourselves to be enslaved by our own mandmade rules.
I do not see this as Godly, and I want no affiliation whatsoever with any entity that perpetuates oppression, whether they believe in jesus or not.
This is where my oppinion differs from yours,
when I go out to save people Iam trying to save them and set them free from the silly ideals of THIS world, not to enslave them or oppress them in any way.
literal visionary
Active Member
I want people who I save to make up their own minds and decisions, to do what they feel is right, and to go the path that God has chosen for them in their heart, not to take their religious cues from some irrelevant magazine.
I am glad someone came knocking on my door, because i now know what the goodnews is all about. did not Jesus himself send his disciples out from villiage to villiage and from door to doorJesus foretold for our day this work: "This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." He also instructed his followers: "Go . . . and make disciples of people of all the nations."Matt. 24:14; 28:19.
When Jesus sent out his early disciples, he directed them to go to the homes of the people. (Matt. 10:7, 11-13) The apostle Paul said regarding his ministry: "I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house."Acts 20:20, 21; see also Acts 5:42.
The message that the Witnesses proclaim involves the lives of people; they want to be careful to miss no one. (Zeph. 2:2, 3) Their calls are motivated by lovefirst for God, also for their neighbor................and yes it is scriptual to go from door to door, and not only that, it also fullfills bible prophecy, the fact that people are talking about it, is prove that the bible prophecy about the goodnews being preached in these last days is happening....................just as Jesus said it would be.
When Jesus sent out his early disciples, he directed them to go to the homes of the people. (Matt. 10:7, 11-13) The apostle Paul said regarding his ministry: "I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house."Acts 20:20, 21; see also Acts 5:42.
The message that the Witnesses proclaim involves the lives of people; they want to be careful to miss no one. (Zeph. 2:2, 3) Their calls are motivated by lovefirst for God, also for their neighbor................and yes it is scriptual to go from door to door, and not only that, it also fullfills bible prophecy, the fact that people are talking about it, is prove that the bible prophecy about the goodnews being preached in these last days is happening....................just as Jesus said it would be.
what a wonderful hope the goodnews of the kingdom holds out to those who want to listen and learn from the bible about it, i am glad that i was willing to listen and take in accurate knowledge about Jehovah God and Jesus christ.This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ .....John 17;3
Jesus also told his disciples: "You will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name." (Mark 13:13) The word "name" here means what Jesus officially is, the Messianic King. Persecution comes because Jehovahs Witnesses put his commands ahead of those of any earthly ruler.
Jesus also told his disciples: "You will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name." (Mark 13:13) The word "name" here means what Jesus officially is, the Messianic King. Persecution comes because Jehovahs Witnesses put his commands ahead of those of any earthly ruler.
literal visionary
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yeah instead of settling with someone tell you and accepting what they say, why dont you seek out what you crave and fill your own head with knowledge, instead of letting others do it for you