outhouse
Atheistically
In context to what? If you knew or studied about law you would know many people have been hung by hearsay alone as it can be credible evidence.
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Eight Things Your Pastor Will Never Tell You About the Bible
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In context to what? If you knew or studied about law you would know many people have been hung by hearsay alone as it can be credible evidence.
Theodore A. Jones
Active Member
That people have been hung is true. That they have been hung by hearsay is hearsay. And whom are you to assert that I have not studied law? While I am not a holder of a law degree nor do I practice law I have studied law. The content of the link you've posted is hearsay testimony.
outhouse
Atheistically
What did I post?
Im sorry but if you would like to debate certain issues from OP's link I would be glad to, as many are not credible positions and cannot be held to any kind of credibility.
BUT, people like that often use a few truths to make their opinion seem credible when they slip in garbage, and try to rhetorically steer you their way.
If you have something you would like to debate, please post it, I may even be on your side on many cases. But as it stands your being to general and hearsay actually covers all of the NT.
Theodore A. Jones
Active Member
You've made the assumption that the content of the NT cannot be other than a falsehood based upon your observation of contemporary rhetoric and behavior. What you've not had dawn on your limited cognitive inability is that it is the contemporary rhetoric that is falsehood.
outhouse
Atheistically
Nonsense, I have stated no such thing.
What assumptions have I made other then a claim of hearsay ?
Nothing you can substantiate.
I asked you for examples, and you have provided zero.
Can you deal with the OP and provide any argument?
we-live-now
Active Member
These are very good and very HONEST points. And there is a very powerful REASON for them. This is all because we are looking at the bible (God's word) through a human mind limited to space and time (under law). Thus, we think it all happened in the realm (of the body) we currently experience called the "natural world".
God's Word is SPIRITUAL and NOT NATURAL. Thus, all of it really took place in the (hidden) spiritual realm and NOT (yet) in our current natural realm.
This may be shocking to some and very powerful to others. Jesus was and is a SPIRITUAL man (NOT A NATURAL MAN) and the 4 gospels is him being "divided" and appearing in each of the 4 realms of man to reveal himself to (spiritual) man. That's right, there is a HIDDEN part of man beyond body, soul and spirit called "master spirit". This "hidden" part of man is the very point of view (POV) from the book of John. That is why John is so different than the other 3. Thus, the 4 realms of man is: Master spirit (perspective in the book of John), spirit (POV from Mark), soul (POV from Luke) and body (POV from Matthew).
Here is how you can tell. Jesus told us "the kingdom of heaven is within" or "in you". Luke 17:21. Thus, in the spirit realm, "up" is really "in" and down is "out'. Now, compare Matthew, Mark, and Luke when Jesus is tempted by the Devil. Where does he have to go to in order to get to the wilderness? Does he go "out" (up), "in" (down) or neither? This is very amazing. You will see it is "down/in" in Mark, and up in Matthew. Luke is the soul (where ALL temptation takes place), so he didn't have to go up or down.
From this you will see the powerful truth that the 4 gospels are the powerful revealing of truth and redemption of ALL OF spiritual man.
Right now in a natural body, we only see the outer realm (of Matthew) which is our natural body. We don't see the inner 3 realms of our invisible, immaterial "inner man" who is soul and spirit.
This (still hidden) spiritual realm where the Bible really took place is where our very (immaterial) soul and spirit man is right now. We can't see this hidden location. Not where our outer physical bodies are. This amazing understanding will suddenly unlock the truth of the Bible and we can quickly see why there ARE so many contradictions! These contradictions are why so many reject the bible as "God's word" too. Here is just ONE EXAMPLE:
Look at what "Peter" calls Jesus in each of these verses. It is the SAME event recorded in 3 different "gospel" books.
Watch what "Peter" addresses Jesus as.
Mark 9:5 Peter *said to Jesus, "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
In Mark, he says "rabbi".
The word "Rabbi" is rhabbi: my master, my teacher. Here is the word: http://biblehub.com/greek/4461.htm
In the next verse (in Luke), he calls him "master" in the original language.
Luke 9:33 And as these were leaving Him, Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles: one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah"—not realizing what he was saying.
The word "Master" is epistates: master, teacher
http://biblehub.com/greek/1988.htm
Now, look at Matthew. He calls him "Lord".
Matthew 17:4 Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
The word "Lord" is kurios: lord, master
http://biblehub.com/greek/2962.htm
Now, some will say that the writers got something wrong. NOT TRUE! Every word is 100% accurate int he original language. "Peter" is a spiritual "name" that people are "baptized into" or placed into. "He" is the beginning of the spiritual body of Christ for those under law.
In Matthew, the realm of the natural body, Jesus was his LORD, but in Luke (the realm of the soul) Jesus was his "master". Finally, in Mark, (the realm of man's spirit) Jesus was merely his "teacher" or "rabbi".
When you see this and put it all together, it will blow your mind. Jesus is the LAST Adam who truly contains ALL people of ALL time under BOTH COVENANTS! You have to use your logical mind to think about what God is really saying in his Word. Christianity has taught us to "stay blind", forget logic and rational thinking. Not true. I share more at www.kickedoutofchurch.com.
God truly is very good! Every word of his is true, but he has ONE TRUE Word who is the LIVING Word and NOT the image version which is the written Word. The written word called the "Bible" has two answers for everything. A law-based answer for those under law (old covenant) and a true, grace-based answer that points to the invisible LIVING Word who is Jesus Christ.
May our loving father open our minds and hearts to see this powerful truth.
God bless,
Duane
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Theodore A. Jones
Active Member
Every mystic is only a mystic.
outhouse
Atheistically
No. We are looking at compilations of collections of text found important to early communities of some very primitive people, who were divorcing Judaism.
We know much more about these text then you may ever understand from your apologetic understanding not substantiated in history.
outhouse
Atheistically
Sorry factual.
Paul was trained to write in rhetorical prose under Aristotle's teachings.
Theodore A. Jones
Active Member
Allegation is a supposition without foundation. You actually have no idea whatsoever of what Paul was taught or not taught. See Phil. 3:8 "dung" KJV
But of course you do not believe any statement in the bible is true in the first place.
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JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
Having read through the article, written on an atheist website (where else?) I can only come to one conclusion that the author does not address....i.e. that the basis for judgment is based on a wrong premise to begin with.
It isn't that Christendom's teachings disagree with the Bible...but the Bible disagrees with Christendom's teachings.
The Bible contains God's truth, therefore what is contained in his word, (preserved for centuries despite all attempts to destroy it,) is what he wants mankind to know. Since the devil cannot get rid of the book, the only alternative is to corrupt the doctrines of the ones that teach it, so that it appears as if there are contradictions. He wants to destroy our faith in it.
The Bible does not contradict Christianity....it is Christendom's corrupted teachings that are contradicted by the scriptures.
It isn't that Christendom's teachings disagree with the Bible...but the Bible disagrees with Christendom's teachings.
The Bible contains God's truth, therefore what is contained in his word, (preserved for centuries despite all attempts to destroy it,) is what he wants mankind to know. Since the devil cannot get rid of the book, the only alternative is to corrupt the doctrines of the ones that teach it, so that it appears as if there are contradictions. He wants to destroy our faith in it.
The Bible does not contradict Christianity....it is Christendom's corrupted teachings that are contradicted by the scriptures.
outhouse
Atheistically
Im sorry sir but you are factually incorrect. It is not only substantiated, it is taught in Harvard where I learned it from under Harvard professor Laura Nasrallah's
That is not honest, as I have never said, nor implied that.
I take an educated approach to these text, I do not claim they are not true. History and apologetics are different here.
Nor do I insult you for your lack of knowledge on these topics, which in your case these insults are a sign of desperation.
Theodore A. Jones
Active Member
outhouse
Atheistically
Do you understand the three different schooling methods people like Paul were trained under? or are you just blindly making statements out of boredom?
I will post this so you get an understanding of what is actually known.
Paul and Scripture Seminar Homepage
The traditional and still standard viewpoint is that the Greco-Roman educational system had three successive tiers. This position has been argued by a number of scholars in the past, such as Marrou, Bonner and Clark,[9] among others, and repeated more recently by such scholars as Morgan and Hock.[10] The three tiers were: the primary school or ludus litterarius, the grammar school or schola grammatici, and the rhetorical school or schola rhetoris. These three were sequentially arranged, so that one attended the primary school first, where one learned the basics of reading and writing, and perhaps some mathematics, before proceeding to the grammar school. At the grammar school, one learned grammar and some composition, including letters, and was introduced to literature, especially the writings of Homer. At the third level, the rhetorical school, one learned rhetoric or oratory, and concentrated on various prose authors.
I will post this so you get an understanding of what is actually known.
Paul and Scripture Seminar Homepage
The traditional and still standard viewpoint is that the Greco-Roman educational system had three successive tiers. This position has been argued by a number of scholars in the past, such as Marrou, Bonner and Clark,[9] among others, and repeated more recently by such scholars as Morgan and Hock.[10] The three tiers were: the primary school or ludus litterarius, the grammar school or schola grammatici, and the rhetorical school or schola rhetoris. These three were sequentially arranged, so that one attended the primary school first, where one learned the basics of reading and writing, and perhaps some mathematics, before proceeding to the grammar school. At the grammar school, one learned grammar and some composition, including letters, and was introduced to literature, especially the writings of Homer. At the third level, the rhetorical school, one learned rhetoric or oratory, and concentrated on various prose authors.
we-live-now
Active Member
Mystic is just a word for those who don't believe the spiritual realm exists. This is the view of the external natural mind who does not know the (hidden) things of God. It is fine if a person doesn't believe the Bible. Look at nature then. Both point to him.
Here is the TRUE location of the crucifixion. The mystical (spiritual) city called both Sodom and Egypt.
And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified Rev 11:8
we-live-now
Active Member
Ok. I am not trying to make myself look good here. I really don't care how much "I know" vs. "You know". I am only trying to find the real truth that God is revealing in his written Word and sharing what I find. It all points to him being bigger than we can imagine and him being very good and loving.
If you don't believe his Word to be true, then I don't know how we can connect at all. I am sharing that there is a reason for all the contradictions.
outhouse
Atheistically
It is my opinion it is a grave mistake to attribute a single word to any of the thousands of gods men has created in the past. It belittles a deity to attribute mistakes and contradictions to him, when these are obviously mens words, written to and for men. It also belittles human intellect and knowledge that makes credible statements regarding these text, based on education and knowledge.
With education everything here becomes much more clear. From where your at now I can see why your confused about many details of contradictions in text. What historians and scholars see clearly, you are in the fog.
Now if you have a passion, what would it hurt to become educated. If at that time your still in the fog so be it, at least you would have tried.
Theodore A. Jones
Active Member
Theodore A. Jones
Active Member
Professors believe and pontificate lies and you were sucked into paying them.