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Endless said:

I would just like to state that the literal heaven and earth will be destroyed (not that there is a non-literal one). You can find this here:





It's undeniable that the Bible teaches that this earth and heaven will be utterly destroyed with fire so intense that even the elements are destroyed. That is the reason for the new heaven and the new earth (not heaven as where the angels are - but space). In the new earth there will no longer be a sea. God will have made all things new.

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the litral earth will not be destroyed , .....the new heavens ..... are refering to rulership so there will be a new rulership...........Gods heavenly kingdom ..Daniel 2;44........... the earth is refering to ........the earthly society of people. and the sea is refering to the
Masses alienated from God. Isaiah likened the wicked people of earth, the masses alienated from God, to "the sea that is being tossed, when it is unable to calm down, the waters of which keep tossing up seaweed and mire." (Isa 57:20) so this sea will be no more , because the earth will be filled with those who love Jehovah
(Isaiah 54:13) And all your sons will be persons taught by Jehovah, and the peace of your sons will be abundant

Umm, May. You can protest all you want that the literal earth will not be destroyed - but that's not what God says in the Bible as i have quoted. It is certainly not quoted in a metaphorical context either. No, the Bible undeniably teaches that the earth will be destroyed by fire and that God will create a new heavens and a new earth - one which will have no sea. The sea is not a reference to the wicked - 'the sea' was not a common phrase used to describe the wicked - it just happened to be in the passage you are quoting. Just like one writer uses the morning star to describe Jesus and another the morning star to describe Satan.

You can perform summersaults all you want with what the Bible says - but it doesn't take away from the fact that the Bible is actually teaching that the literal heaven and earth will be absolutely destroyed by fire. Notice the way Peter before hand in the same passage talks about the destruction of the old world by water - well this time he says it will be complete - dissolved in the intense heat. Any reader of the Bible can see this.

Interesting because the sun swallowing us up would make sense - the Bible prophecies talk a lot about the sun and in revelation at the end times people will be burnt by the sun, and other stuff happens to the sun.
So maybe it's not quite so far fetched at all that it could be the sun engulfing this planet which destroys it - certainly would produce the intense heat that Peter talks about. Only it would be happening a whole lot quicker than the millions of years scientists have said it could take.

Endless said:

Umm, May. You can protest all you want that the literal earth will not be destroyed - but that's not what God says in the Bible as i have quoted. It is certainly not quoted in a metaphorical context either. No, the Bible undeniably teaches that the earth will be destroyed by fire and that God will create a new heavens and a new earth - one which will have no sea. The sea is not a reference to the wicked - 'the sea' was not a common phrase used to describe the wicked - it just happened to be in the passage you are quoting. Just like one writer uses the morning star to describe Jesus and another the morning star to describe Satan.

You can perform summersaults all you want with what the Bible says - but it doesn't take away from the fact that the Bible is actually teaching that the literal heaven and earth will be absolutely destroyed by fire. Notice the way Peter before hand in the same passage talks about the destruction of the old world by water - well this time he says it will be complete - dissolved in the intense heat. Any reader of the Bible can see this.

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just as the earth was not destroyed in noahs day , the earth still stood...............
The former heaven and the former earth," Satan’s organized system of things with its governmental structure influenced by Satan and his demons, will pass away. The turbulent "sea" of wicked, rebellious mankind will cease to exist. In its place will be "a new heaven and a new earth"—a new earthly society under a new government, God’s Kingdom.—Compare Revelation 20:11.
God has promised that "the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men" some times Gods judgements are refered to as firey judgements..............yes, notice it is for the ungodly
After the passing of the present wicked system of things, the ones left will form the nucleus of a new earth that will eventually be a globe-encircling society of God-fearing humans who inherit the earthly realm of God’s Kingdom.—Matthew 25:34

just as the earth was not destroyed in noahs day , the earth still stood...............

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Of course - but water cannot destroy the earth. The point is that in Noah's day it was a literal destruction, Peter is saying that in the same way the earth is now reserved for fire. It will be a literal destruction with fire.

It doesn't matter how many verses you put up to support your other theory May - the Bible negates it with this one thing - a literal destruction of the earth. I already know that Satan's kingdom will fall, that Christ will come to rule on earth for a thousand years and we will rule with him. However none of this takes away from the fact that God will destroy this earth - literally with fire. Seriously May, these verses must pick your conscience. You know in your heart that this is what the Bible is teaching - clear out what you have been taught and return to what God actually teaches, only then will the truth finally become clear and God's plan for this world become clear.
I've had a similar discussion about hell with you - forget what man has taught, never interprete God's word based on a theory that has it's basis outside of the word -even if it ties in with other Bible verses and sounds so plausible. You have to make the word of God your foundation.
I had to weed out a pile of wrong teaching a while back. Do you know how i did it? I followed the teaching to it's roots and i found that the roots were concepts outside of the Bible, which then weaved a tangled web through the verses in the Bible. I threw it out and started with God's word as the final foundation - everything began falling into place and i realised what God actually taught. Do the same thing. Trace the roots back now and you'll hit the relevant Bible verses - that's the only foundation you want.

The comparision May is with a literal destruction by water - therefore there will be a literal destruction by fire. What would the readers of what Peter wrote have understood by what he said? There is no way around it May. Let me put it to you this way May, what verse in the Bible contradicts a literal destruction of the earth by fire? - There is none May.

literal visionary said:

Okay okay, this thread will probably pertain to people who do have a religion,

Everybody Knows that the bible states that the end of the earth will come about someday, along with just about every other religion. Many people believe that all the things(bad weather, wars) happening in the world today is a sign that doom is upon us. Do you think so? If so please state why, If you want state prophecy, if you know of any as proof.

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"Everybody" does not know this.

Every body knows horrible things have always happened in the world, but i thuink the entire human race is sensing some kind of change in the air and the laws of nature state that things over time are going to get worse (delapidate)- and things just tend to explode quite suddenly here on earth. Do you think the earth is at it time or do you think we as a human race have more abuse to give out to ourselves and our planet?

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Which law of nature says things are going to decline? I'm not sure how entropy relates to human civilization, other than it will come to an end at least at the point of heat death of the universe. I don't plan on being around then, so I don't give it much thought.

But as to your question, we are currently undergoing the largest transition humanity has known since the beginning of agriculture. The purpose of this transition is to get humanity to grow to the point where we have a truly global outlook, and finally figure out there is only one human race.

The process of transition always requires a dual process...the old must fade away or be destroyed, in order to make way for the new. It's pretty obvious to see the things that are being destroyed. It's a little harder to see the new beginning to grow, but eventually that will become obvious too.

angellous_evangellous said:

Cult simply means worship.

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It used to. English has a way of morphing regularly.

Cult in common usage now is a derogatory term, that translates to "your bogus weirdo so-called religion."

Endless said:

I would just like to state that the literal heaven and earth will be destroyed (not that there is a non-literal one). You can find this here:

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OK, if we're doing dueling quotes, than I'm wondering how this one squares:

Mat. 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. (cf. Mark 13:20)

If it's undeniable that the Bible teaches that this earth and heaven are going to be destroyed with intense fire, then were are the rest of the "flesh" going to be saved? Or do we have to wait until Mars is colonized before the end times will arrive? And no, that was not a smart remark...it's a serious question.

Revelations 8 verse 1 states that it will happen, in Gods time, half an hour after the seventh seal has opened. We know that god created the earth in 7 days and will allow it to live for 6 days and then cleanse it on the 7th day, or the 7th seal. The timeing seems very clear to me. Adam was put on the earth approximately seven thousand years ago. We are withing maybe a few years of the exact date of completion of earths creation. The cleansing of the earth according to the bible should begin soon, though not a person knows the exact date. He will come as a theif in the night.

Why should thousand year periods be so important? What is special about them, biblically, to base your speculation of the beginning of the end times on?

I wish I had time to explain all of this right now but I am dead center in my fourth period class so I will make this short. Seven in the bible is always considered perfect, why? I am not sure. God just does that for a reason I have not personally learned yet. If you study revelations you will find that it is an exact progression of things that happened each thousand years. There is a scripture somewhere that hints that a day to god is a thousand to man, but I dont have the time right now to find it. When you read revelations just think of old testement to new testement chronology.

Let's see...
2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Sooo... How do these two thousand year periods fit with your theory of seven thousand years, since they are both following the breaking of the seventh seal?

Greetings!

literal visionary said:

Everybody Knows that the bible states that the end of the earth will come about someday

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No, I'm afraid not "everybody" knows this!

And as many Baha'is can tell you, for example, in fact the Bible does not speak of the end of the world!

This is actually a mistranslation by the compilers of the King James Bible.

See, the word in the original Greek is "eras," which means "world" or "age."

And IOV the translators picked the wrong meaning, and this passage in fact refers to the end of the Age!

(Which, BTW, we Baha'is see as already having come about....)

Regards,

Bruce

BruceDLimber said:

See, the word in the original Greek is "eras," which means "world" or "age."

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I think the Greek word is "aion," from which the English word "eon" is derived.

Anyway, it's all Greek to me. (Where is the blasted smiley for "<ducking>"????)

Super Universe said:

The earth will end, in billions of years the sun will become a supernova and burn it to a cinder.

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Matt. 6:10: "Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth."​

Ps. 37:29: "The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it................. no the bible says the righetous will reside forever on the earth, so i dont think the bible teaches that the earth will burn up , that is mans thoughts not Gods.
A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite..... Ecclesiates 1;4

He has founded the earth upon its established places;​

It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever ...... psalm 104 ;5

evearael said:

Let's see...
2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Sooo... How do these two thousand year periods fit with your theory of seven thousand years, since they are both following the breaking of the seventh seal?

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There is a theory that God has a 7 thousand year plan to reconcile humanity to Himself. 7 days in a week 6 days work one days rest. So therefore 6000 years work and 1000 year millennial Sabbath rest. Then the at the end of the 7000 year week the final judgement. Jesus is said to have been executed on the dawn of the 5th day.

I do not rely on this theory but it sounds nice and neat. But I will not shed a tear if it turns out wrong.


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