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Reconverstion in India

Maya3

Well-Known Member
Maya, I don't think you understand the history of discrimination against the majority - Hindus. If Muslims can get government grants to go to Mecca, then Hindus should be granted money to go to Rameswaram, Varanasi, Kedarnath, Muktinath, etc. if they so wish. If donations to Hindu temples are taken and controlled by the government, then so too should churches and mosques be under government control.

Yes the Indian government should be secular, and stop granting any and all religions money, or taking their money. Fair is fair, and what people want is a fair shake. This includes Hindus, not just the minorities.

My understanding of the re-conversion origins is that the dalits of 100 years ago when they got converted realised it was a huge mistake. "Oh no, what the heck have we done?" The social reform group Arya Samaj solved the problem by taking them back.

In the west you're going to hear the term Hindutva, right wing Hindu terrorism, etc. for a long time. That's just part and parcel of the anti-Hindu agenda.

In all fairness to outsiders, and that includes me, we don't understand the situation all that well. But I do know Modi is no terrorist, and I also know that conversion away from dharma has caused a great deal of pain for many of my Hindu brothers and sisters. Pain that the western press simply does not understand or denies outright. Take RSS, for example. The largest volunteer and charitable service organisation by far in all of India ... demonised by western press.

As far as the non-Hindu in this DIR goes, he has no understanding of the situation whatsoever other than what he's read in western anti Hindu newspapers. It's bad enough we have to take insults to our faith at all, let alone in a supposedly 'for Hindus only' section of an on-line forum. It's just ignorance talking.

You are right, I don´t understand Indian politics at all,I can only speak for how it looks from my perspective and what I have read. That was one of the reasons I posted the link in the first place, to see if someone knows more.

Maya
 

तत्त्वप्रह्व

स्वभावस्थं निरावेशम्
Proselytizing isn´t good, weather it is back to Hinduism or to another religion. If anything this is just going to cause more fervent missionary work by Christians who feel that they are loosing members.

Maya
I am not sure what is being considered as proselytizing here: is it the ongoing effort to re-assimilate those that were lured out only to regret or the very possibility of such recourse? I think one must understand this in context - most conversions happen on the basis of benefits - some monetary and some in kind. Many opt to convert to christianity not because they have gained great insight about the life of jesus and have been inspired by it, nor because they find philosophical assurance of being emancipated from misery "spiritually" - they convert out of sheer desperation which is, more often than not, economical in nature. There are added benefits of being able to have free education in missionary-funded schools. I don't find it wrong that the christian missionaries work in this way - they are only perhaps filling a market-gap in the spiritual market. But then, it is just that - a race for soul-share. Those that somehow fit into the new religion seldom re-convert (exceptions exist), it is those that find even the new, nothing worthwhile, that return. But this conversion issue is just the tip of an iceberg. The amount of intellectual-proselytizing that is going on around the world is just too obnoxious yet equally oblivious to the general public.

For instance the afro-dalit project: JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

Moreover, the amount of money that flows into financing these missions is humungous - there are many towns where acres of land are bought from poor peasants and are provided only to those of christian faith. Add to this all the land Govt. provides for free in areas where there is no institution/place of worship. Many unclaimed places, like mountain/hill tops are assumed by just placing a cross at the summit or by building a wall facing west painted green. It is planned exercise, that given the growth in population, control of land lends the greatest benefit. The problem is viewing them as minority within the country - for it is not the case. They (both abrahamic religions) are funded, supported, and guided with a global infrastructure. So what constitutes a minority within a geographical boundary is actually a great majority that functions across geographies. Also, should they become a majority it is more than likely that they'll trample the very rights of remnant minority which they now demand for themselves.

It will be dubious for any party to claim that there were no benefits suggested to motivate conversion. Moreover, there is no conversion-rite authorized by vedic scriptures, so what constitutes this re-conversion is relinquishing all other beliefs. It is true that large sections of the society was left under-served which provides the basis of conversions to happen. The misplaced sense of universalism (which some over zealous organizations have used to draw equality between Christ/Krishna) has also played its part. But then, these are based on concoctions inherited from historical distortions which has led to a muddled psyche of the populace that is unsure of its own history and legacy. Despite all this, there is a strong undercurrent of what is right and wrong within the hindu dharma, whenever there are excesses, its moderation will automatically set-in whether it be a popular guru or organization.

श्रीकृष्णार्पणमस्तु ।
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
One of the ironies of reconversion in Tamil Nadu is that people are reconverting to escape the caste system that is so prevalent in the Tamil Christian community. This indicates that there has been greater reforms on caste in the Hindu community than in the Christian community. So some are going back for the very same reason they left in the first place.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
This is really interesting Vinayaka, thanks for sharing! I wasn't aware, though the RSS and Dr. Hedgewar were reformers in this regard and leaders of such clarity in Hindu circles. I am glad to read your update on this.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Reconversion is definitely in the air, and I'm sure many will be following it. Another tidbit I learned of this morning was abut a Kerala temple. You know those lists, where they have prices, etc, for various archanas, samskaras, abhishekhams and everything under the sun. Listed at #46 on that long list was reconversion. Someone asked 'When did you guys put that up there?" The manager answered, "As long as I can remember, it's been there." So it's really nothing new. What's new is the scale.

So this is definitely part of a great Hindu Renaissance, and undoing injustice of the past. Our Gods must be smiling.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Nice, though I do not know how many people has it helped. But conversion and reconversion is certainly in the news. Reports indicate the conversion of a whole village to Christianity in Bihar. Hindus also will certainly work on it. Let us see who wins.
 

Amrut

Aum - Advaita
Namaste,

RSS is the most partiotic organization in which 80 % of volunteers are unmarried. they dedicate their whole life for protecting the national interest. They are the first one to offer help in case of natural calamities.

During Kargil war, RSS members were asked to patrol traffic in Delhi so that cops can serve army.

They are most demonized by anti-hindu, anti national elements including Congress who calls them Hindu-Taliban and Hindu Terrorists.

RSS as a parent body does not convert. Other bodies function independently though their interest align as far as 'hindutva' is concerned. Recently Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee was honoured a s'Bharat Ratna'. No one including congress objected. He was an RSS man i.e. having RSS background. People with Political bend are injected into BJP. If RSS is terrorist org, then Congress and other rival political orgs would not have endorsed him for Bharat Ratna.

VHP does not re-convert Muslims/Christians to just Hindus, but they re-convert them to their original religion i.e. Hindu, Sikh, Jain and Bauddha dharma as these are the dharma-s of Indian Origin. So VHP and other similar orgs are not communal. They are nationalists.

Millions of dollars are pumped into India by Missionaries for two reasons - to increase people of their religion and to break India from within.

By converting outsiders into one's own faith increases people of that faith and so money power too increases. Even if people are poor, they use them for rallies and demonstrations against projects that are against their interests. So if Christians want to break India, then they will oppose Nuclear Power projects with Russian Collaboration. For this they will pump money into NGOs and use manpower to execute their plan for breaking India. Some even say that after they get a majority in one state, they will demand for separate country. Poor people will vote for candidates that are sponsored by Missionaries in a hope to get special benefits. the elected representative will try to disrupt Govt. plan (Be it Cong or BJP) so that there is no progress and people remain poor. Where there is poverty, there is joblessness, there is anger and frustration. Missionaries and Millitants use this anger against their nation for breaking India.

Please read Rajiv Malhotra’s ‘Breaking India’ for more details.

Islam does not recognize country boundaries. It only distinguishes between muslims and non-muslims (khafirs). They want Sharia Law all over the world. According to them, then only there will be peace and Islam is the only True religion.

All the time atrocities are done on Hindus. But if one Hindu retaliates, then all anti-hindus, anti-nationals will group together and will oppose Hindus.

None of the orgs and so called Secular (sickular) political parties want anti-conversion law. Why? Think.
 
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Amrut

Aum - Advaita
RSS volunteers also donates blood in case of emergences and when there is large requirement of blood due to war or natural calamity.

Godse, a former RSS worker, who later formed 'Hindu Rashtra Dal' in 1940 (Thanks for Aupmanyav ji) and killed Gandhi. RSS didnt ordered him to kill Gandhi. RSS was maligned, yet Jawarhal Nehru asked them to join the national parade in 1966. (Edited after inputs from Aupamanyav ji)

West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee used to bravely fight leftists, but her lust for power and money made her Anti-National. Currently according to NIA, there are 65 working factories of bomb manufacturing in West Bengal near the border areas of Bangladesh. About 3 crore Bengali Muslims have infiltrated into Bengal and Assam. In Assam it is congress rule. How can this happen without the permission of State Govt.? Worst, they now have a voting ID. Still worst, one of them is elected into parliament.

If you have a twitter account, please search for hastag #Gharwapsi and see the reports. NGOs have planted 78000 churches in one year. My country is invaded with Christians and Muslims thanks to corrupt Politicians who would do anything for money and power.

Check this sites:

MediaCrooks: "Will Chop PM Into Pieces & Attack Parliament"
MediaCrooks: Conversions - At Their Wits End

200 Mahadalits convert to Christianity in Bihar. Parliament won't be stopped for 3 days over this. No one will speak
200 Mahadalits convert to Christianity in Bihar, Chief Minister seeks probe - The Hindu: Mobile Edition

Public money used to build, subsidize missionary schools. Then evangelists use reduced school fee to convert Hindus.

Economic Times | Blogs

In 1964-65, all shankaracharyas, mahants saints of the Hindu religion met in Udupi Karnataka & decided to allow #Gharwapsi

https://bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2014/12/24/re-conversion-to-hinduism-was-approved-by-acharyas-in-udupi-in-1964-65-daijiworld-media/

US based Impact Nation organizing a program for 80,000 converted this year to Christianity.

"If minority communities have the right to convert others then so does the majority" must read by @PandaJay

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-edit-page/losing-my-religion-if-minority-communities-have-the-right-to-convert-others-then-so-does-the-majority/


A US-Canadian group claims it has converted 80,000 into Christianity this year in North India.

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/us-canadian-group-plans-baptism-drive-in-punjab

Over 80,000 new believers baptized in India this year, claims Christian group:
Over 80,000 new believers baptized in India this year, claims Christian group

and .. Nobody talks about Tulsi Gabbard, A Gaudiya Vaishnav living in Hawai, A Congresswomen. She is in India since many days but Main Stream Media (MSM) will not cover her.

And Hindu-hater Barkha Dutt asks this question to her

Barkha Dutt - Is it the religion you are going to stay with?
Tulsi Gabbard - This is the motivation for my life and this is the only way of life for me.

Barkha Dutt has problem with Hinduism

See the sick mentality of these journos.

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Recently in Bihar there were floods. After floods, DC (Police) admit that many tribals have been converted into Christians as Christians promised them that they will get food, water and clothing.

In our own country we are not safe and Muslims and Christians are always pampered.

Actually Christians and Muslims are not 'ethnic minority'. All were Hindus. Only Jews and Parsis are the actual 'Ethnic Minorities', as they took refuge in India after they were attacked by Muslim barbarians.

I would write on and on. But I will stop here. Apologies if I am too aggressive or if i have broken forum rules.
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Godse was not part of RSS. He left it in 1940 to form his own group - Hindu Rashtra Dal. I am checking if he was with Hindu Mahasabha at the time of Mahatma Gandhi's assassination.
Note: Wikipedia has conflicting information on related pages.
 
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Amrut

Aum - Advaita
Godse was not part of RSS. He left it in 1940 to form his own group - Hindu Rashtra Dal. I am checking if he was with Hindu Mahasabha at the time of Mahatma Gandhi's assassination.
Note: Wikipedia has conflicting information on related pages.

Oh Ok. Thanks for the info.

Hari OM
 

तत्त्वप्रह्व

स्वभावस्थं निरावेशम्

Amrut

Aum - Advaita
Another video exposing Congress and Christian Missionaries by Rajiv Dixit (In Hindi)


Full speech in Hindi

 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
More coming home in Kerala ..... VHP converts 58 persons to Hinduism on Christmas Day | The Indian Express

When I was reflecting on this, it occurred to me that this is about being pro- Hindu, rather that anti-Christian. We should focus on the positive aspects of our faith, rather than the negative aspects of someone else's.

In American politics, with the two party system, I often wonder if voting is more pro or anti. Do voters vote because they adore their party, or hate the other guys.

And another link to my favorite Hindu political side blog ... The Ghar Vapsi - Reconversion Controvery | Hindu Human Rights Online News Magazine There is much to read there.
 
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Chakra

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Namaste,

RSS is the most partiotic organization in which 80 % of volunteers are unmarried. they dedicate their whole life for protecting the national interest. They are the first one to offer help in case of natural calamities.

During Kargil war, RSS members were asked to patrol traffic in Delhi so that cops can serve army.

They are most demonized by anti-hindu, anti national elements including Congress who calls them Hindu-Taliban and Hindu Terrorists.

RSS as a parent body does not convert. Other bodies function independently though their interest align as far as 'hindutva' is concerned. Recently Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee was honoured a s'Bharat Ratna'. No one including congress objected. He was an RSS man i.e. having RSS background. People with Political bend are injected into BJP. If RSS is terrorist org, then Congress and other rival political orgs would not have endorsed him for Bharat Ratna.

VHP does not re-convert Muslims/Christians to just Hindus, but they re-convert them to their original religion i.e. Hindu, Sikh, Jain and Bauddha dharma as these are the dharma-s of Indian Origin. So VHP and other similar orgs are not communal. They are nationalists.

Millions of dollars are pumped into India by Missionaries for two reasons - to increase people of their religion and to break India from within.

By converting outsiders into one's own faith increases people of that faith and so money power too increases. Even if people are poor, they use them for rallies and demonstrations against projects that are against their interests. So if Christians want to break India, then they will oppose Nuclear Power projects with Russian Collaboration. For this they will pump money into NGOs and use manpower to execute their plan for breaking India. Some even say that after they get a majority in one state, they will demand for separate country. Poor people will vote for candidates that are sponsored by Missionaries in a hope to get special benefits. the elected representative will try to disrupt Govt. plan (Be it Cong or BJP) so that there is no progress and people remain poor. Where there is poverty, there is joblessness, there is anger and frustration. Missionaries and Millitants use this anger against their nation for breaking India.

Please read Rajiv Malhotra’s ‘Breaking India’ for more details.

Islam does not recognize country boundaries. It only distinguishes between muslims and non-muslims (khafirs). They want Sharia Law all over the world. According to them, then only there will be peace and Islam is the only True religion.

All the time atrocities are done on Hindus. But if one Hindu retaliates, then all anti-hindus, anti-nationals will group together and will oppose Hindus.

None of the orgs and so called Secular (sickular) political parties want anti-conversion law. Why? Think.

Wow, nicely said!
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
... For all the hue and cry about conversion ...
Also notice the obvious fact that the OP has yet to return in light of all these detailed posts that not only exfoliate on the proposed double standards but also highlight the arbitrary nature of such condemnation. Such arbitrary selectivism is easily representative of the spiritual degeneracy known as neo-Hindu complacency. The most important thing for every single conscious Hindu should be the preservation of Dharma (i.e., highlighting anti-Hindu encroachments and finding methods to address them). Not theology, not temple visits, not philosophy, not any of that---but ahead of all Dharmic activities should be the conduction of acts that greatly assist in the preservation of Dharma.

Therefore, the propensity of many Hindus to bask in the sublimity of Dharma without engaging in activities that address anti-Hindu encroachments, or at least acknowledge them as such, is extremely discouraging and, unsurprisingly, representative of the habit to self-impose standards when those standards, themselves, lack considerable merit in contextual terms. And that is why I would like to voice my support for the outstanding participation V-dada, SF-dada, Aup-dada, Tattva-ji, and Amrutbhai have given.

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I have posted these links before, but they deserve to be listed once more:



 
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Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Reconversion was spoken of in 1923. That's 92 years ago. Apparently it's not such a 'new' thing.

Malaviya too favoured ‘reconversion’ of Muslims, Christians - Hindustan Times
Though it's many months old, this is representative of what we are currently discussing: 95% of worship places put to commercial use: Survey – The Express Tribune Here we have a Pakistani journalist lamenting, and condemning, the horrid state of Hindu temples in Pakistan. However, this will never make mainstream news. Why not? Simply because it is pretty much antithesis to the platform from which anti-Hindu subvertionists operate.

And that, V-dada, goes back to my point about arbitrary selectivism: Hindus assisting interested parties in becoming Dharmic are held as proselytizers, or rather as communal ruffians; Christian and Muslim organizations that have a vested, socio-economic interest in converting Hindus out of their infidelism, on the other hand, are unworthy of coverage because that interest is selectively deemed as secularly noble. The absurdity of it all, mind you, is so severe that it summons laughter rather than a state of puzzlement.
 
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तत्त्वप्रह्व

स्वभावस्थं निरावेशम्
Also notice the obvious fact that the OP has yet to return in light of all these detailed posts that not only exfoliate on the proposed double standards but also highlight the arbitrary nature of such condemnation. Such arbitrary selectivism is easily representative of the spiritual degeneracy known as neo-Hindu complacency. The most important thing for every single conscious Hindu should be the preservation of Dharma (i.e., highlighting anti-Hindu encroachments and finding methods to address them).
Very well said, indeed! I'm sure the OP isn't one of those, but it is a general trend to paint anyone supporting anything relating to dharma as a fundamentalist. There is unabashed mocking and ridiculing esp on public TV programs which have already posed the topic of debate as hindu-fundamentalism by "fringe" elements.

It is not just the apathy, often due to ignorance, but also public denouncing of dharmic values by the so called "secular hindus" whose moral compass points to due north indicated by the media. For e.g., there are these hindus supporting the Congress' idea of presenting Tipu Sultan as a national hero and celebrating his jayanti. All his misdeeds are hidden behind the fact that he fought the british in the south.

Not theology, not temple visits, not philosophy, not any of that---but ahead of all Dharmic activities should be the conduction of acts that greatly assist in the preservation of Dharma.
I feel strengthening these would have a significant impact on entire ecosystem. Ignorance of vedic theology/philosophy + thoughtless universalism = neo-hinduism. Temples used to play a great role in integrating the society around it - now most have become tourist destinations. The temples were not only centers for deep contemplation and knowledge dissemination, but were also central to life and work of local people - the entire ecosystem functioned around it. Realizing this, the british passed the endowments act, which still continues and applies only to temples, to usurp not only wealth but also inflict their control psychologically.
One the british left, their legacy was split between the INC and communist, while the former continued it politically, the latter was given control of the educational system who are determined to take Macaulay's plan to fruition.

श्रीकृष्णार्पणमस्तु ।
 
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