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Can we prove Christ never married ???

SoyLeche

meh...
JillianMarie77 said:
Of course the OT and NT only so far as they are translated correctly and you have your handy JST translations and footnotes at the bottom of the KJV to direct you to the BofM, D&C and POGP to help clarify what is intended in each verse.

:eek:
Of course. Nothing works in a vacuum. God has given us 4 books so far (5 if you count the OT and NT separately, I'm lumping them both into The Bible). Each book does it's part to clarify what the others are saying - and the footnotes are a great help.
 

literal visionary

Active Member
what does it matter?

would affect anyone with true faith?
no....
its interesting, and i think its possible, even god wants companionship and love,
he created us,

but even if he was married, they probably didn't tell us that because we already have enough to argue about,

yeah if he did have kids, peopl would want to worship them like muhammed
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
literal visionary said:
what does it matter?

would affect anyone with true faith?
no....
its interesting, and i think its possible, even god wants companionship and love,
he created us,

but even if he was married, they probably didn't tell us that because we already have enough to argue about,

yeah if he did have kids, peopl would want to worship them like muhammed


What? Worship them like muhammad? What are you talking about? Nevermind, don't answer, you'll drag the thread off again.
 

bunny1ohio

Active Member
beckysoup61 said:
The LDS use the Old Testament, New Testament, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine & Covenants, just to name a few. :)

:D Tanky becky! Wasn't real sure about that one... appreciate the clarification... with all the different religions out there its hard to remember sometimes who believes what :bonk:
 

bunny1ohio

Active Member
JillianMarie77 said:
Of course the OT and NT only so far as they are translated correctly and you have your handy JST translations and footnotes at the bottom of the KJV to direct you to the BofM, D&C and POGP to help clarify what is intended in each verse.

:eek:

:faint: Yeah..... what Jillian said :areyoucra
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
bunny1ohio said:
:D Tanky becky! Wasn't real sure about that one... appreciate the clarification... with all the different religions out there its hard to remember sometimes who believes what :bonk:

No problem, It's okay, I don't remember half the time what books are used by other churches and denominations. :)
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
SoyLeche said:
Of course. Nothing works in a vacuum. God has given us 4 books so far (5 if you count the OT and NT separately, I'm lumping them both into The Bible). Each book does it's part to clarify what the others are saying - and the footnotes are a great help.

When you say, given us 4 books,you mean the LDS church ,because as it stands the only infallible and inherent word of God from which God chose to speak to his creation with such accuracy and factual proof comes from the 66 books of the ancient scriptures Genisis to Rev.
Each part or of any other book may help your orgainization substantiate it's claims but they totally are contrary to the original old and new testament that was canonized by the greek scholars.
As any other book is in total contridiction with the Holy Scriptures as we all know very well.
This truth will be realized when a person receives Christ as their personal Lord and Savior and become born again.

Jesus says," a house divided amongst itself will not stand,how can there be so many different religions yet all claim to be Christain while having completely conflicting positions by continously creating new doctrines,theologies and dogma's from men having new revealations and interpretations.

Therefore such books other then the Bible have no bearing or association on true history of christiandom based from the original word of God.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
roli said:
When you say, given us 4 books,you mean the LDS church ,because as it stands the only infallible and inherent word of God from which God chose to speak to his creation with such accuracy and factual proof comes from the 66 books of the ancient scriptures Genisis to Rev.
Each part or of any other book may help your orgainization substantiate it's claims but they totally are contrary to the original old and new testament that was canonized by the greek scholars.
As any other book is in total contridiction with the Holy Scriptures as we all know very well.
This truth will be realized when a person receives Christ as their personal Lord and Savior and become born again.

Jesus says," a house divided amongst itself will not stand,how can there be so many different religions yet all claim to be Christain while having completely conflicting positions by continously creating new doctrines,theologies and dogma's from men having new revealations and interpretations.

Therefore such books other then the Bible have no bearing or association on true history of christiandom based from the original word of God.
The large majority of these conflicting positions are coming from groups that only use the Bible, so your logic doesn't quite work.

Not the topic of this thread, but if God gave them to the LDS church then they are there for the world to see. We could argue this for days, but I believe they come from God, you don't. It all comes down to that.
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
SoyLeche said:
The large majority of these conflicting positions are coming from groups that only use the Bible, so your logic doesn't quite work.

Not the topic of this thread, but if God gave them to the LDS church then they are there for the world to see. We could argue this for days, but I believe they come from God, you don't. It all comes down to that.

For you to assume this all has no bearing on the topic would only be a bias attempt to not listen to the the facts of others outside the LDS orgainz.,the topic your group opened,but if you continually look at the infected ,twisted,perverted versions or branches of so called christianity, faith,doctrines,theologies etc and not inspect the root of where they came from, you are like a farmer who see's all the distorted,rotten fruit on his branches and sits back and says maybe it will all change on it's own and he never addresses the condition of the root or soil, the very life giving source for pure and good fruit .
Inspect your fruit guys,if we don't abide in him he won't abide in us meanin our lives are vanity without his truth .

Jesus says He is the vine we are the branches,what we have here are so many false religions producing bad fruits or doctrines such as the marriage thing regarding Jesus, spiritual babies,celestial marriage,we pick and choose what sounds good and looks good and that is beneficial to our lifestyles.
Mind you many are clearly and honestly deceived into following such false doctrine and that is too bad,

Let me see now,if God wrote the word through inspired men,canonized through several greek scholars,theologians and substantiated verified,authenticated, through historical,geographaical and archaelogical finds, not to mention thousands of new testament manuscripts,artifacts,cities etc. etc found.
Not to mention the timelines , fluency and continuity of the scriptures are like a tightly wooven garment from one piece of thread and then certain people say, God gave further revealtions to special individuals throughout history that totally contridicts holy scripture and depicts a whole different gospel.
What is up with that !!!!
He would be contridicting himself, creating division,heresy and confusion,as this is evident in our religious community today ,that being division ,then Jesus is either responsible for all the false doctrine/religions or man is ,My money is on man.

There is only one truth, Jesus either was in the beginning and created all things as says in Col 1:16,Heb,John1:1 all things were created by him,including marriage.or he was created and was never eternal but only a man.
This by the way, does fall under our topic because this type of heresy such as, was Jesus married,did he have babies,Jesus being lucifer's brother,we becoming gods,marrying in heaven,cliches such as, as god was once as we are and we will become as god, all have a veneer of Christianity but have no truth and were inspired by man not God
How many books do you think are out there that claim to be inspired as the Bible,but are nothing more than 1 man's revealtion eventually becoming a religion.
Let me just make this final statement that your doctrine contridicts the word of God and if you researched for yourself my friend you would find many things to question.


I just spent the day yesterday listening to personal testimonies of people who where leaders in the LDS and evidence from those who have thoroughly investigated the LDS being members themself for 5 ,10 15,20 even 50 yrs and of all the doctrinal errors, orgainizational policies and control that governing body have over the doctrines, the threat of disassociation when personal association with non members is revealed even with families,all of which professes to bring unity ,but just the opposite was the outcome.
This I;m afraid has everything to do with the topic of false doctrine, false teachings false scriptures and misquoted scripture and these all produce false Christ's, false gods,false converts and false hope.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
roli said:
For you to assume this all has no bearing on the topic would only be a bias attempt to not listen to the the facts of others outside the LDS orgainz.,the topic your group opened,but if you continually look at the infected ,twisted,perverted versions or branches of so called christianity, faith,doctrines,theologies etc and not inspect the root of where they came from, you are like a farmer who see's all the distorted,rotten fruit on his branches and sits back and says maybe it will all change on it's own and he never addresses the condition of the root or soil, the very life giving source for pure and good fruit .
Inspect your fruit guys,if we don't abide in him he won't abide in us meanin our lives are vanity without his truth .

Jesus says He is the vine we are the branches,what we have here are so many false religions producing bad fruits or doctrines such as the marriage thing regarding Jesus, spiritual babies,celestial marriage,we pick and choose what sounds good and looks good and that is beneficial to our lifestyles.
Mind you many are clearly and honestly deceived into following such false doctrine and that is too bad,

Let me see now,if God wrote the word through inspired men,canonized through several greek scholars,theologians and substantiated verified,authenticated, through historical,geographaical and archaelogical finds, not to mention thousands of new testament manuscripts,artifacts,cities etc. etc found.
Not to mention the timelines , fluency and continuity of the scriptures are like a tightly wooven garment from one piece of thread and then certain people say, God gave further revealtions to special individuals throughout history that totally contridicts holy scripture and depicts a whole different gospel.
What is up with that !!!!
He would be contridicting himself, creating division,heresy and confusion,as this is evident in our religious community today ,that being division ,then Jesus is either responsible for all the false doctrine/religions or man is ,My money is on man.

There is only one truth, Jesus either was in the beginning and created all things as says in Col 1:16,Heb,John1:1 all things were created by him,including marriage.or he was created and was never eternal but only a man.
This by the way, does fall under our topic because this type of heresy such as, was Jesus married,did he have babies,Jesus being lucifer's brother,we becoming gods,marrying in heaven,cliches such as, as god was once as we are and we will become as god, all have a veneer of Christianity but have no truth and were inspired by man not God
How many books do you think are out there that claim to be inspired as the Bible,but are nothing more than 1 man's revealtion eventually becoming a religion.
Let me just make this final statement that your doctrine contridicts the word of God and if you researched for yourself my friend you would find many things to question.


I just spent the day yesterday listening to personal testimonies of people who where leaders in the LDS and evidence from those who have thoroughly investigated the LDS being members themself for 5 ,10 15,20 even 50 yrs and of all the doctrinal errors, orgainizational policies and control that governing body have over the doctrines, the threat of disassociation when personal association with non members is revealed even with families,all of which professes to bring unity ,but just the opposite was the outcome.
This I;m afraid has everything to do with the topic of false doctrine, false teachings false scriptures and misquoted scripture and these all produce false Christ's, false gods,false converts and false hope.
There are plenty of threads already out there in which to discuss whether or not the LDS church is a heresy or not. I'd suggest you find them. They can be fun discussions.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Jesus is the Bridegroom

Matthew 9: 15
15- And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
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Mark 2: 19
19- And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.

Luke 5: 34
34- And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?

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The Bridegroom Shall Be Taken
Matthew 9: 15
15- And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them?but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.

Mark 2: 20
20- But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

Luke 5: 35
35- But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
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SoyLeche

meh...
FFH said:
Jesus is the Bridegroom

Matthew 9: 15
15- And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
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Mark 2: 19
19- And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.

Luke 5: 34
34- And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?

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The Bridegroom Shall Be Taken
Matthew 9: 15
15- And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them?but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.

Mark 2: 20
20- But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

Luke 5: 35
35- But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
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We've already discussed metaphores
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Marriage Supper of the Lamb

Matthew 22: 1-14

1- And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2- The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3- And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4- Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5- But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6- And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7- But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8- Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9- Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10- So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11- And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man whichhad not on a wedding garment:

12- And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13- Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, andcast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14- For many are called, but few are chosen.


Doctrine and Covenants 58: 11
11- And after that cometh the day of my power; then shall the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf, come in unto the marriage of the Lamb, and partake of the supper of the Lord, prepared for the great day to come.


Doctrine and Covenants 65: 3
3- Yea, a voice crying—Prepare ye the way of the Lord, prepare ye the supper of the Lamb, make ready for the Bridegroom.


Revelation 19: 9
9- And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the
marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
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SoyLeche

meh...
FFH said:
Marriage Supper of the Lamb

Matthew 22: 1-14

1- And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2- The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3- And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4- Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5- But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6- And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7- But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8- Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9- Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10- So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11- And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man whichhad not on a wedding garment:

12- And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13- Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, andcast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14- For many are called, but few are chosen.


Doctrine and Covenants 58: 11
11- And after that cometh the day of my power; then shall the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf, come in unto the marriage of the Lamb, and partake of the supper of the Lord, prepared for the great day to come.


Doctrine and Covenants 65: 3
3- Yea, a voice crying—Prepare ye the way of the Lord, prepare ye the supper of the Lamb, make ready for the Bridegroom.


Revelation 19: 9
9- And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the
marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
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And, yet again, metaphores and parables -- not exactly proof.
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
Greetings!

FFH said:
Can we prove, using a passage of scripture in the Old or New Testament, that Christ was never married or would never marry, while on earth?

Probably not.

But fortunately, we also have the Baha'i scritpures, in which one of Christ's titles is "He Who never married" . . .

Best,

Bruce
 

SoyLeche

meh...
BruceDLimber said:
Greetings!



Probably not.

But fortunately, we also have the Baha'i scritpures, in which one of Christ's titles is "He Who never married" . . .

Best,

Bruce
If there were anything in LDS scripture that specific about it, I'd accept it no problem. As it is, though, I've got to keep the option open :)
 

FFH

Veteran Member
BruceDLimber said:
...we also have the Baha'i scritpures, in which one of Christ's titles is "He Who never married" . . .
You are the third Baha believer to post that. There might be a scripture in the New Testament which influenced that Baha scripture.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
FFH said:
You are the third Baha believer to post that. There might be a scripture in the New Testament which influenced that Baha scripture.
There might be a 50 foot tall amazon queen living in the jungles of Brazil, but I'm not going to waste my time looking for her.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
In the Dead Sea Scrolls there was a Nazorean sect called the Essenes.

Here is a direct quote from the Institute of Religious Research.

"Although marriage was considered a religious duty by most Jews (the Essenes were the exception), Jesus never married."

The quote is found on this page: http://www.irr.org/yamauchi.html
 
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