Are Jews still God's Chosen People?

free spirit said:

In Acts 2:29, Peter says, “Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.” So Peter effectively says some time after the day of Pentecost that the body of David is still in his tomb (Confirmed by Acts 2:30-36) It is reasonable for us to assume that if the body of King David did not qualify for that alleged resurrection we can be certain that it never took place.

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You totally misunderstood this part of the bible. What Peter was referring to is Psalm 110:1. Reading Psalm 110:1 was so enigmatic, to the Jews during those years, that they could not understand to whom king David was referring to when he said: Psa110:1 THE Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool..

The Jews could not understand that king David was referring to Jesus Christ in His resurrection and not to himself/David that would resurrect, but to the Lord Jesus Christ. That’s why Peter said “his tomb –David’s tomb or remains- is –STILL- with us to this day” meaning King David was not the one in Psalm 110:1 but the Lord Jesus who would resurrect on the third day.

How did king David saw all these things, the resurrection and ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ?

Psa16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

“Neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One see corruption” from the grave, but King David did according to Peter in Acts 2:29 “Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day.

metis said:

But for those of us whom are Jewish, the Law remains, and Torah has it that we have no option but to follow it as well as we can.

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Yes, I am sorry. Not arguing with the Jewish mindset, just defending how Paul's writings do not conflict with the thought behind the rest of the Christian Greek Scriptures..

"Adonai" is Hebrew for lord, and a "lord" is an "overseer". Obviously, it's also used as a reference to God, but only when it's used as a proper noun. Since "lord" is used twice in Psalms 110:1, the traditional belief is that it is "God" providing information to my "overseer" (David).

metis said:

"Adonai" is Hebrew for lord, and a "lord" is an "overseer". Obviously, it's also used as a reference to God, but only when it's used as a proper noun. Since "lord" is used twice in Psalms 110:1, the traditional belief is that it is "God" providing information to my "overseer" (David).

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The pasuk actually says the 4 letter name once (which we pronounce as adonai) and then "adoni" which is "my master/overseer".

לְדָוִד מִזְמוֹר נְאֻם יְהֹוָה | לַאדֹנִי שֵׁב לִימִינִי עַד אָשִׁית אֹיְבֶיךָ הֲדֹם לְרַגְלֶיךָ:

Kolibri said:

Yes, I am sorry. Not arguing with the Jewish mindset, just defending how Paul's writings do not conflict with the thought behind the rest of the Christian Greek Scriptures..

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I agree with on what you feel about Paul, and thanks for the clarification of your position.

rosends said:

The pasuk actually says the 4 letter name once (which we pronounce as adonai) and then "adoni" which is "my master/overseer".

לְדָוִד מִזְמוֹר נְאֻם יְהֹוָה | לַאדֹנִי שֵׁב לִימִינִי עַד אָשִׁית אֹיְבֶיךָ הֲדֹם לְרַגְלֶיךָ:

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It's "adon" and "Adonai", and thanks for the reminder.

metis said:

Free spirit, do you believe you are saved by believing about Jesus as your personal savior? Also, what do you believe about the relationship between Jesus and the Mosaiic Law, all 613 of them? IOW, do you believe Jesus upheld the Law and told others to do the same, or did he tell his followers that it wasn't necessary?

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1) Yes I believe that Jesus is my saviour, and that He died for me. (I don't just believe, I know that that is so.)
2) Jesus was borne under the law, but because of who He was never broke the Law, therefore He had the Holy character of God.
We all know that from the very beginning humanity had to obey the law of God. Adam’s life was dependent on obeying one law and ever since the law has occupied first place in everything. It is as if God and the law are one. The law therefore is the will of God. The scripture of Psalm 40:8 is a revelation of this important truth for it says: “I delight to do Thy will, O My God; Thy law is within My heart.” Therefore the Law was in Jesus heart, in other words His character and the law were one. By receiving the Holy Spirit we too can be one with the law; therefore we will always do the things that pleases Him.

free spirit said:

1) Yes I believe that Jesus is my saviour, and that He died for me. (I don't just believe, I know that that is so.)
2) Jesus was borne under the law, but because of who He was never broke the Law, therefore He had the Holy character of God.
We all know that from the very beginning humanity had to obey the law of God. Adam’s life was dependent on obeying one law and ever since the law has occupied first place in everything. It is as if God and the law are one. The law therefore is the will of God. The scripture of Psalm 40:8 is a revelation of this important truth for it says: “I delight to do Thy will, O My God; Thy law is within My heart.” Therefore the Law was in Jesus heart, in other words His character and the law were one. By receiving the Holy Spirit we too can be one with the law; therefore we will always do the things that pleases Him.

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But you didn't answer these (see underlined items):
Free spirit, do you believe you are saved by believing about Jesus as your personal savior? [iow, "saved by faith alone"]

Also, what do you believe about the relationship between Jesus and the Mosaiic Law, all 613 of them? IOW, do you believe Jesus upheld the Law and told others to do the same, or did he tell his followers that it wasn't necessary?

Levite said:

We know what God wants of the Jews: Torah. That covenant is eternal and unbreakable, and is absolutely incompatible with Christian scripture and theology.

And embracing religious imperialism is just bigotry in the name of God.

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We can only keep the Law if you have the Holy Spirit. You cannot keep the Law if the law is outside of your heart, get the Law in your heart and your character will change; and you will naturally do the things of the law. The character of God is described by Jesus when He was asked what commandment is the foremost of all.
Jesus answered. “The foremost is, hear, o Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord;
30 and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.
31 “The second is this; you shall love your neighbour as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.”
32 And the scribe said to Him. “Right, teacher, you have truly stated that He is one; and there is no one else besides Him;
33 And to love Him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbour as himself, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
34 And when Jesus saw that he had answered intelligently, He said to him. “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”

free spirit said:

We can only keep the Law if you have the Holy Spirit.

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Yes. If I don't once again attend brainwashing sessions I will never be able to be like you free spirit. I must have a paster who practices mesmerism, carefully pronounces his consonants and uses classic easily recognized hypnotic suggestion, and I should listen to Ron Connolly style music and say Hallelujah a lot and Praise the Lord a lot. I need intense worship services to help me get closer to the Lord, and I will receive the Holy Spirit in my heart. Everything will make sense then.

Jews as a rule don't attend such sessions, so they don't accept the Holy Spirit into their hearts. Jews need to sing worship songs repeatedly while listening to the gospel from a professional minister, so they can accept Jesus into their hearts. Then they will at last understand what it means to be truly free when the holy spirit enters them. No longer will they have to struggle to deal with moral complexities or study and discuss complex issues.

JM2C said:

You claimed that Romans 11:11 and Romans 11:26 were lies and now you are saying “Paul wrote the truth, but the enemy of the truth altered Paul’s message” without any proof at all that it was really altered.

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I have given you proof, I can only give you reasons why I believe to be so; the rest is up to you, for conviction come from within. Think... Roman 11:26-27, belong in the old testament, and it was fulfilled when Jesus died for all of humanity. He did that, once for all times and for all peoples. You stumble over this because you worship the bible and you want it to be perfect: please, the bible is a book, which is to this day subjected to men, look around you, how many versions of the bible there are, doesn't that tell you that men can do anything he likes with it; let the Holy Spirit guide you.

JM2C said:

You are moving away from the main argument by preaching. Please stick to the argument at hand..

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No I an not preaching, I am explaining things to you and I am giving you proof. What more can I do?

free spirit said:

We can only keep the Law if you have the Holy Spirit. You cannot keep the Law if the law is outside of your heart, get the Law in your heart and your character will change; and you will naturally do the things of the law. The character of God is described by Jesus when He was asked what commandment is the foremost of all.
Jesus answered. “The foremost is, hear, o Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord;
30 and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.
31 “The second is this; you shall love your neighbour as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.”
32 And the scribe said to Him. “Right, teacher, you have truly stated that He is one; and there is no one else besides Him;
33 And to love Him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbour as himself, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
34 And when Jesus saw that he had answered intelligently, He said to him. “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”

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Cool.
I don't suppose that you know that Jesus was quoting from Torah sources, do you?
Or do you think that he just made it up?
He was quoting Jewish Law.
And, apparently, everybody agreed that this is a law that everybody can follow, No?
So, what's with not being able to follow the Law?

JM2C said:

“The book speaks about God but you must remember that it is not God” What are you saying?

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What I am saying is that the "bible is not inerrant " God is the one that is inerrant.

METIS, It is more complicate than that, we do get saved by faith alone: but we get sanctified by works. Faith without works is "death faith."
We cannot believe in God and sin, we have to obey the law; the difference between the Christians and the Jews is how we obey the law. The Christians by receiving the Grace of Christ, or the character of Christ have internalised the law, in other words they have only to live within that character to fulfil all of the law. The grace of Christ, or the character of Christ is based on loving God and your neighbour.

Brickjectivity said:

Yes. If I don't once again attend brainwashing sessions I will never be able to be like you free spirit. I must have a paster who practices mesmerism, carefully pronounces his consonants and uses classic easily recognized hypnotic suggestion, and I should listen to Ron Connolly style music and say Hallelujah a lot and Praise the Lord a lot. I need intense worship services to help me get closer to the Lord, and I will receive the Holy Spirit in my heart. Everything will make sense then.

Jews as a rule don't attend such sessions, so they don't accept the Holy Spirit into their hearts. Jews need to sing worship songs repeatedly while listening to the gospel from a professional minister, so they can accept Jesus into their hearts. Then they will at last understand what it means to be truly free when the holy spirit enters them. No longer will they have to struggle to deal with moral complexities or study and discuss complex issues.

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You don't have to do none of that, I am were I am by His grace, and I am alone and yet I am not alone for He is with me. I have been called many things by pastors and even Christian friends, I know that the devil has deceived the whole wold. No one wants to know the truth, because the truth will show them as hypocrites. Nothing has changed from the days of Christ. Complexity is men made, God likes simple things, we read in
1Corinthians 1:26-29, “For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; but God has chosen the uneducated men of the world to shame the wise. And God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised, God has chosen the things that are not coveted, that He might nullify the things that are. That no man should boast before God.”

Moishe3rd said:

Cool.
I don't suppose that you know that Jesus was quoting from Torah sources, do you?
Or do you think that he just made it up?
He was quoting Jewish Law.
And, apparently, everybody agreed that this is a law that everybody can follow, No?
So, what's with not being able to follow the Law?

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They are not able to follow the law, because they are still holding on to the character of Adam, they need to put on the character of Christ, "be renewed in the spirit of your mind."

JM2C said:

You totally misunderstood this part of the bible. What Peter was referring to is Psalm 110:1. Reading Psalm 110:1 was so enigmatic, to the Jews during those years, that they could not understand to whom king David was referring to when he said: Psa110:1 THE Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool..

The Jews could not understand that king David was referring to Jesus Christ in His resurrection and not to himself/David that would resurrect, but to the Lord Jesus Christ. That’s why Peter said “his tomb –David’s tomb or remains- is –STILL- with us to this day” meaning King David was not the one in Psalm 110:1 but the Lord Jesus who would resurrect on the third day.

How did king David saw all these things, the resurrection and ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ?

Psa16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

“Neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One see corruption” from the grave, but King David did according to Peter in Acts 2:29 “Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day.

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Yes David was referring to Christ, but I am only proving to you that Matthews 27:52-53 never took place, it is a lie. It is obvious that there was someone going around saying that the resurrection had already taken place, read 2Timothy 2:18.

free spirit said:

You don't have to do none of that, I am were I am by His grace, and I am alone and yet I am not alone for He is with me. I have been called many things by pastors and even Christian friends, I know that the devil has deceived the whole wold. No one wants to know the truth, because the truth will show them as hypocrites. Nothing has changed from the days of Christ. Complexity is men made, God likes simple things, we read in
1Corinthians 1:26-29, “For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; but God has chosen the uneducated men of the world to shame the wise. And God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised, God has chosen the things that are not coveted, that He might nullify the things that are. That no man should boast before God.”

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I applaud you for overcoming racism and loving your fellow human beings and resisting the urge to accuse people of things. I don't disrespect you. I respect you. I just don't think you are prepared to listen to anyone. I don't blame you for that either. Things are all screwed up out there.

Believe it or not this is about slavery. The man writing 1 Corinthians himself is referring to 1 Samuel. He wouldn't ever, ever, ever discourage you from reading 1 Samuel. He wants you to read it. He expects you to have read it, because he wants you to be free. What appears in 1 Corinthians 1:26-29 is a lesson learned from Hannah's Song in the book 1Samuel, and its about freedom from slavers, from invaders and pillagers. Knowing this doesn't make me educated. It makes me free, a joint beneficiary of knowledge that has been denied to you and I at one time that we should have been given, spiritual milk that was denied to us. It was denied, because it could unlock our chains, not because it was in any way harmful to us. Freely I have received, and freely give. Hannah says "Those who were full hire themselves out for food, but those who were hungry hunger no more." "He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap; he seats them with princes and has them inherit a throne of honor." That is what 1 Corinthians 1:26-29 alludes to, and you heard it from me first, and I'm no scholar, no scribe or anything like it.

free spirit said:

They are not able to follow the law, because they are still holding on to the character of Adam, they need to put on the character of Christ, "be renewed in the spirit of your mind."

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So, Jesus was lying when he said (from your quote): "And when Jesus saw that he had answered intelligently, He said to him. “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”
He wasn't answering "intelligently?"
Or he was wrong?
Or Jesus didn't mean that these are Laws from the Torah?
What?
Give me a hint, here...