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Are Jews still God's Chosen People?
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free spirit
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Have you read Deuteronomy 18:18-19?
Yearly.
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
If you read verse 25 “until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in”, meaning AFTER the fullness and NOT BEFORE. What is going to happen “AFTER the fullness of the Gentiles be come in”? The hardening of the heart of Israel will change, “and so all Israel will be saved –Romans 11:26”
AFTER the crucifixion and the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, salvation to the Gentiles did not appear in the book of Acts until the chapter 10 of Acts. Now, if you’re saying that Romans 11:26-27 occurred already during Christ earthly, the crucifixion and resurrection, then we have a chronological problem here.
During Christ earthly ministry the Jews rejected Him as the Messiah, then AFTER the resurrection they, the Jews, rejected Him again and this what Paul was saying in Romans chapter 11.
Ro 11:11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! [SEE VERSE 26] Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.
Salvation came to the Gentiles AFTER -and not BEFORE- the Jews rejected Him again AFTER the resurrection, and in verse 25 Paul says, “AFTER [and not BEFORE] the fullness of the Gentiles be come in” the hardening/blindness of the Israel will change “and “so all Israel will be saved -Romans 11:26”
Nobody knows who these Jews are.
Ro 11:4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
This was during Elijah’s time that God saved 7000 from the 12 tribes of Israel.
Ro 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
This was during Paul’s time that God saved from the 12 tribes of Israel.
Ro 11:1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.
These, From Elijah’s to Paul’s, are the progenitors of Romans 11:26 “so all Israel will be saved”. These are the Jews from 12 tribes of Israel.
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JM2C
CHRISTIAN
Romans 11:26 is a lie? Are you out of your mind? What kind of Christian are you?
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
Romans 11:11 is a lie too? If a verse does not align with your twisted theology you call it a lie. You are a sick person with different agenda masquerading as a Christian.
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
Another one of your twisted delusional theory that does not align with Romans chapter 11.
READ AND UNDERSTAND:
Ro 11:1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.
GOD DID NOT “REJECT HIS PEOPLE” as in annihilate them from the face of the earth. AGAIN, GOD DID NOT TOTALLY ANNIHILATE HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
YOU KNOW THE REASON WHY? READ ROMANS 11:28 IN NLT SO THAT YOU COULD UNDERSTAND IT MORE CLEARLY.
Ro 11:28 Many of the Jews are now enemies of the Good News. But this has been to your benefit, for God has given his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still his chosen people because of his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
GOD MADE HIS PROMISES TO THE PATRIARCHS, AND GOD’S PROMISE IS “IRREVOCABLE” –Romans 11:29
Ro 11:29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
“for the gifts and calling” are irrevocable and this also applies to the Gentiles.
God reserved some of His chosen people from Elijah’s time and 800+ years after that Paul proved that by saying “I’m an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. -Romans 11:1” as a proof that those people that God saved from Elijah’s time, some 800+ years ago, were the progenitors of Paul’s time and from Paul’s time, as the progenitors, of Romans 11:26 “so all Israel will be saved”.
IOW, From Elijah’s time, i.e., 800+ B.C. were the progenitors of Paul’s time, i.e., 30+ A.D., and from Paul’s are the progenitors of Romans 11:26 “so all Israel will be saved”. These are the Jews from 12 tribes of Israel LIKE PAUL FROM THE TRIBE OF BENJAMIN.
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SHOUT AND PRETEND THAT IT IMPARTS VALUE TO THE VAPID.
free spirit
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You should first learn to rightly divide the word before you shout.
The following Scriptures are reliable testimony of the existence of lies, which were disseminated in the sacred scriptures by an enemy of Christ. for in Matthew 13:24-25, “He presented another parable to them, saying. ‘The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares also among the wheat, and went away.”’ And in Matthew 18:7, again Jesus said, “Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!”
Also 2Peter 3:16 strongly warned us by saying: “As also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also to the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.” Again 2Peter 2:1-2 is very specific by saying: “But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned.”
Also the apostle Paul testified about the future teaching of untruth, for we read in 2Timothy 4:3-4: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths.”
Through these reliable and undeniable testimonies, I am fully convinced that early in the Christian era the inspired Holy Word of God was contaminated by the word of man, creating anomalies and ambiguities, making many parts of the New Testament open to speculations, which work against the knowledge of God.
Furthermore,
Most of the present day fleshly Jews can be excused for their error because they do not understand or believe all the scriptures, but we, the followers of Christ and believers of the New Testament, should recognise them for what they really are, especially when we read in Romans 9:6-13: “But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel, neither are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but through Isaac your descendants will be named. That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.”… And verse 13 says: “Just as it is written, Jacob I loved but ESAU I hated.”
Please ask yourself, is Esau a descendant of Abraham? And if he is, why does God say that about him? Obviously Esau is not the apple of God’s eye, even if he is the twin brother of Jacob. The problem is that most of us cannot distinguish the difference in the attitudes of the two children of Isaac. So let me explain to you that the present day Jews who do not believe in the Lord Jesus are children of the flesh as Esau was, and unfortunately we read that God is not very pleased with them, unless they convert and believe in the life of our Lord Jesus, in order to be saved from eternal death, just as all the rest of the unregenerate believers have to do. Also Christians are not immune from having in our midst fleshly brethren. For it is not enough to believe in the existence of God, and/or Jesus without doing also the works of repentance. As you know, the Devil also believes in the existence of God and Jesus.
Another clear example is found in the story of Cain and Abel who were also brothers and they both believed in God, but Cain’s fleshly attitude did not find favour with God even before he killed Abel. Similarly to that, have we forgotten that in the beginning of Christianity the fleshly Jews following in the footsteps of Cain persecuted those who were of the Spirit and stirred up the pagans to do the same? There are many lies in the New Testament, cleverly put there by a Jew, because only a Jew could have such knowledge of the Old Testament.
For in Galatians 3:13, we read;
"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.’” The part written in blue is the lie, only a Jew could think that Christ is an accursed person. Galatians 3:13 should read, "“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having fulfilled the law for us.” Even you should know that He come to fulfil the LAW, the one thing the Jews everywhere hate.
Kolibri
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In Galatians 3:13, Paul was quoting Deuteronomy 21:23. He was reasoning that the Law proved to be a curse because no imperfect man could be proved righteous by it because no imperfect man could live up to it perfectly. This is shown in verse 19.
Gal 3:19 - "Why, then, the Law? It was added to make transgressions manifest, until the offspring (or "seed") should arrive to whom the promise had been made;..."
Gal 3:19 - "Why, then, the Law? It was added to make transgressions manifest, until the offspring (or "seed") should arrive to whom the promise had been made;..."
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free spirit
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If you truly believe that God created enemy to His gospel for the benefit of the Gentiles, you have no knowledge of Christ. Please consider that the Lord is Holy, therefore He doesn't do that. You unknowingly have made the scriptures your God, please return to the Holy Spirit for He is the true God.
free spirit
Well-Known Member
Yes the law became a curse for us because we could not keep it. Jesus did not became a curse, on the contrary He extinguished the curse. Furthermore if you read Deuteronomy 21:23 in context with verse 22 you will find that to became accursed of God, the condemned man has to have committed a sin worthy of dead.
Also the testimony of 1Corinthians 12:3 reinforces that He didn’t become accursed for it is written: “That no one speaking by the spirit of God says, Jesus is accursed.” With those undisputable proofs in hand we should only come to one obvious conclusion: that the Scriptures suggesting that our blessed Lord become a curse for us is nothing but a “blasphemous diversion” working against the knowledge of the accomplished works of our Lord.
Levite
Higher and Higher
You know, the same way that if one person somewhere breaks a glass, all glasses everywhere become dangerous and useless....
Kolibri
Well-Known Member
Nothing was wrong with the Law. It was perfect. If a man could follow it w/o ever making a mistake he could prove his own righteousness. Because the standard was too high for imperfect men it proved perfect in another sense. It showed that man can not be proved righteous by works. It was a curse because the Jews were oath-bound to follow the Law..and yet they could not help but break it.
