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This Gospel!

Do you believe in pre-tribulation rapture?


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Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Isaiah 29 doesn't really fit the Q'uran. It fits the Book of Mormon better.

In an age when people are blind to the revelations of God, v. 10, and people pray to God and honor him, but don't love him v.13, God will proceed to do a marvelous work among the people v.14, and a sealed book will be delivered to a learned man who acknowledges that he cannot read a sealed book v.11. Then the book is given to an unlearned man v.12. The book challenges the conventional wisdom v.14.


Here's what it actually says:

Isaiah 29:10 The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep: He has sealed your eyes (the prophets); he has covered your heads (the seers). 11 For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I can't; it is sealed." 12 Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I don't know how to read." 13 The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.14 Therefore once more I will astound these people with wonder upon wonder; the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

It only "fits" the BoM if you take a whole bunch of liberties with it.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
And as Jesus said, I say to you...

As it is written:

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:24)

Every time you misquote the Bible, you mock your faith, your so called prophet and all Muslims.

PLEASE STOP!

Ever bothered to read the context of the verse and see what it is referring and check whether your interpretation contradicts other teachings of Jesus peace be upon him.

Take this as in example

Matthew 15:9
"But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
 
J

johnpeter1970

Guest
Ever bothered to read the context of the verse and see what it is referring and check whether your interpretation contradicts other teachings of Jesus peace be upon him.

Take this as in example

Matthew 15:9
"But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

What a joke!
 

rrosskopf

LDS High Priest
It only "fits" the BoM if you take a whole bunch of liberties with it.
I only stated that it fits it better than the Quran. The Book of Mormon wasn't a scroll but it did have a sealed portion. The words were brought to an expert, who did indeed say that he couldn't read a sealed book. No one would mistake young Joseph Smith for a learned man. Yet the Book of Mormon still endures, challenging the wisdom of the world.
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
We do not need another Gospel or another Prophet or another Testament or another Holy Scripture because we have the one and only Gospel promised by God in Christ Jesus.

This is why Muslims claim that the Bible has been corrupted.

BUT AS JESUS SAID:
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (Matt 24:35)

As we also see:
Yes the devil wants to destroy Israel and
Christianity also

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matt 24:14)


This is also why SATAN is persecuting Jews and Christians and trying to destroy Israel from being a nation.

SHALOM!


THIS IS THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST JESUS

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (1Cor 15:1)

By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. (1Cor 15:2)

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; (1Cor 15:3)

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (1Cor 15:4)

And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: (1Cor 15:5)

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. (1Cor 15:6)

After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. (1Cor 15:7)

And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. (1Cor 15:8)
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I see the problem now. You are reading the Bible as you read the Quran. Don't just look at a single verse. Read the whole Chapter. Read the whole Bible.
.... so why are you copying single verses for us to read?
...... and why are you copying verses from Corinthians, anyway....... as if Jesus said any of those.
..... and why are you copying from John, who never knew Jesus ......
....... and why is everything so funny?
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
The greatest aspect of the "kingdom of God" is the end to this worldly "us against them" attitude.

Many preach many different things, but few preach the gospel "of the kingdom" -or understand it enough to preach it accurately.

It will be what ALL nations desire -though they do not see it for what it is.

It is preceded by the greatest time of trouble -of us against them -that ever was or ever will be -but will be the end of it (with one exception).

It is a literal kingdom which will literally rule the entire earth -teaching all nations the way of peace -then beyond.

Hag 2:6 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
Hag 2:7 And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

Some speak of Israel being God's chosen people -and this angers some others -but what they were chosen to do was to be a blessing to other nations.

Deu 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

The above translation may be taken by some to suggest Israel is greater than any other nation in the eyes of God, but the word for "above" means "from among".
He chose Israel -it is true -but he chose them to be FIRST IN ALL THINGS -good things and bad things. This does not mean that they are greater of themselves -but that they would be the beginning of God making all nations greater.

Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

I like to think of it as people waiting in line for a bus. It doesn't matter who gets on the bus first -they all go to the same place.

It can also be viewed this way -the Jews are going someplace awesome, but it's going to be a horrendous journey.... let's let the Jews go first!

From the perspective of the kingdom of God -which will be for all and forever -earthly advantage means nothing! Earthly bloodlines mean nothing -except that God began with Israel and will bless others by Israel.
It will not be as earthly kingdoms which are set against each other and even themselves. It will be one kingdom -not divided -which will be the beginning of peace, fairness and equality for all on earth -and beyond.
It is the beginning of everyone having the potential to live forever with creative power similar to that of the creator -and going out to inhabit and beautify the universe -perhaps beyond.

Jerusalem is now central to world events -and will continue to be as nations are drawn into conflict.

It will also be the location of the beginning of the literal kingdom of God. Nations will be set against each other -but God will be calling people out of ALL nations to rule with him -not just from Israel. Even while the nations war against each other, God will be calling many out of every nation to very soon rule with him and to teach all nations the way of peace!

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;..........................................................
Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
Rev 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

(...and all others who have ever died -Israel and all others -will be raised to the judgment after the thousand years and be judged according to their works -NOT their earthly beliefs, but what they did. Even the judgment is not all gloom and doom.)

God will bless the human nation of Israel on earth at that time, and they will essentially be the human branch of his government -but from Jerusalem Christ will rule the whole earth -along with those of all nations who were made immortal at the first resurrection -but this "government" will not be as human government. It will truly be for those who will be governed. It is said he will rule with a rod of iron and rebuke nations afar off -but this is so that he can bring them to eternal life -and the "rebuke" in those days will be gentle compared to the trouble which has been and will be before he rules.
It will bring them to him -he will bring peace to Earth -and he will bring them all to eternal life.


Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more

Mic 4:4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.
Mic 4:5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

In the end, we will all have forever -all sorrow will be wiped away -everyone will serve everyone and do each other good -so what does it matter who is first? God is equal.
 
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