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Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

Does Xmas (Christmas) have anything to do with Christ?

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MikeSavage said:
What people do in the world, is because they ignore God, His will, and are part of the world. Jesus taught all TRUE Christians (not anyone part of ANY religion) to be no part of the world. Anyone who is part of the world will be destroyed completely and permanently in the final battle in the Great Day of God the Almighty, Armageddon.
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I totally agree.James 4:4 You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

2 Corinthians 4:4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Bible Student said:
:confused: Didn't you just tell me....... Never mind. Anyway... Yes,when one compares what Jesus actually taught, to what people do in the world,one can separate the truth from the fake.
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People do it now. Christians have always believed that sleeping together before marriage was a sin, yet many people who follow the faith of Christianity sleep together before marriage, it is part of the world's teachings, according to my faith, that people have incorporated into the faith. They did it when it started and they do it now.
And you're right, we can separate what's right and what's wrong with 1. Prayer, 2. Bible study, 3. Listening to others, 4. Etc.
 
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ChristineES said:
People do it now. Christians have always believed that sleeping together before marriage was a sin, yet many people who follow the faith of Christianity sleep together before marriage, it is part of the world's teachings, according to my faith, that people have incorporated into the faith. They did it when it started and they do it now.
And you're right, we can separate what's right and what's wrong with 1. Prayer, 2. Bible study, 3. Listening to others, 4. Etc.
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Exactly! Hence,they are not true christians if they do as the world does.If one does as the world does,then it is clear who it is they serve.To be Christian means to be christ like,to walk as christ did.Not all of us do this.Yes,we are all sinners.We will never get it right.God's standards are way up there but we can try the best we can, and follow God's commandments.
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Bible Student said:
Exactly! Hence,they are not true christians if they do as the world does.If one does as the world does,then it is clear who it is they serve.To be Christian means to be christ like,to walk as christ did.Not all of us do this.Yes,we are all sinners.We will never get it right.God's standards are way up there but we can try the best we can, and follow God's commandments.
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"By their fruits ye shall know them" :) . But I let God handle it, not I. It is not my place. I know there are those who are "Christians in name only". I never said there wasn't. What I meant is that it is not my place to judge them: I can bring it up with them and talk to them about it, but that's about all.
 
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ChristineES said:
"By their fruits ye shall know them" :) . But I let God handle it, not I. It is not my place. I know there are those who are "Christians in name only". I never said there wasn't. What I meant is that it is not my place to judge them: I can bring it up with them and talk to them about it, but that's about all.
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And the truth shall set you free!!!!! Finally! Yes! Yes! Yes! That is all I have been trying to explain to you.You said it.......

Now....,when your brother or sister falls from the sight of God and begins to do things not in line with God's teachings,you must correct them and help them.

2 Timothy 3:16,17. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
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MikeSavage

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Bible Student said:
I totally agree.James 4:4 You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

2 Corinthians 4:4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
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Spot on the money. It's good to see someone who has a clue as to the truth of the scriptures. Very rare indeed.
 
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husayni

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i do think that christmas is related to christ. it celebrates the birth of the son of god. However, it has nothing to do with the person who lived in judea and preached the true Torah. That person was not the christ we see hanging on the cross and he was not the son of G-D. This is the reason i voted yes to the question as it was formulated.
 
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MikeSavage

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husayni said:
i do think that christmas is related to christ. it celebrates the birth of the son of god. However, it has nothing to do with the person who lived in judea and preached the true Torah. That person was not the christ we see hanging on the cross and he was not the son of G-D. This is the reason i voted yes to the question as it was formulated.
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If you look at scripture, you can see that Jesus was NOT born in winter, but in fall. The date chosen for Christmas, by religion, was one coinciding with Saturna, the celebration of Saturn, the Greek pagan god of the harvest, and a 12 day celebration of that harvest including drinking and sexual debauchery. It was a melding of pagan and so called Christian beliefs. God did say to "not touch the unclean thing", and He said anything pagan was unclean. Christmas has NOTHING to do with the birth of Jesus. Jesus himself said that one's birth was unimportant, but his death was to be memorialized. The only two birthdays mentioned in the scriptures both ended up in someone's death, the first one, the death of John the Babtizer.
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
kepha31 said:
Christmas is celebrated today as both a secular holiday and a religious holiday. Many get a paid holiday. To those who object to Christmas as being any kind of holiday, stop whining and go to work that day.

Pagan origins of Christmas is a fallacy, a constant drum beat over the last 100 years to where it's repetition has resulted in swaying public opinion, and not based on facts. This fallacy is frequently committed by Fundamentalists against Catholics, by Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and others against both Protestants and Catholics, and by atheists and skeptics against both Christians and Jews.

The Winter Solstice was NOT a Roman Civil holiday until the early 3rd Century AD. (272 A.D.) There was no fixed date for any winter solstice or Sol Invictus holiday. The Emperor Aurelian made December 25th a civil holiday because the Christians were already using it to celebrate the Birth of Jesus and he was trying to detract from the Christian celebration!

None of the Sun Cults used December 25th before then. It appears that the Winter Solstice was originally a CHRISTIAN feast that the pagans tried to paganize, not the other way around.
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LOL! That is hilarious misinformation!

Solstice is - gasp - set by an actual even in the sky - gasp! Oh my!

The turnings of the year have been celebrated by Pagans far before any Jewish or Christian religions were around, let alone their holidays.


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CMA Energy

Research Investigator CMA
IF you think Christmas has anything to do with Christ
Your out of your cotton pic ken mind
That's the last thing he would have
Christmas is an abomination to Christ and is strongly opposed to it
Personally I hate every thing about it
And why should anyone have to be exposed to such a pagan festival that is truly not Christian in origin.
Just look up what all those decorations on the tree are supposed to represent you so called Christian observers of Christmas, You might learn something and the truth is Christ hates traditions!
I wished they never mention the word or anything in it's entirety
This is all come from the PAGAN church
The Catholic church and it's papacy adopted it
Don't believe me go and study it's origins
 
Bunyip

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
CMA Energy
And why should anyone have to be exposed to such a pagan festival that is truly not Christian in origin.
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Well because it was a pagan festival long before Christianity. It is also a rather lovely thing to celebrate as the pagans did - a great feast with all those you love.
Just look up what all those decorations on the tree are supposed to represent you so called Christian observers of Christmas, You might learn something and the truth is Christ hates traditions!
I wished they never mention the word or anything in it's entirety
This is all come from the PAGAN church
The Catholic church and it's papacy adopted it
Don't believe me go and study it's origins
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Sure, and of course so much of Christianity and Christian traditions were adopted from paganism, that's ok - it's still l8vely to have a big feast ahd rest with yo6r family.
 
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CMA Energy

Research Investigator CMA
Bunyip said:
CMA Energy


Well because it was a pagan festival long before Christianity. It is also a rather lovely thing to celebrate as the pagans did - a great feast with all those you love.


Sure, and of course so much of Christianity and Christian traditions were adopted from paganism, that's ok - it's still l8vely to have a big feast ahd rest with yo6r family.
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Sorry if you think it's lovely you need to learn a lesson in humility
To anyone of normal morals hates seeing two males making love or two females doing the same
This is repulsive to anyone of normal morals
Now would you like to see your child doing such
Probably not and it would be very offensive to you. If not it should be including a real Christian.
Just the same it is a similar mental offense to those with good set of morals
I do hope you do not take offense to what I said but I hope it opens a channel of understanding where good morals come from (Christ) which is another name for God and God says he is Love
His ten commandments separates his children from the rest of society
And a true Christian follower knows that Christmas is an offence to God and Christ
God bless those who understand
 
s2a

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
I voted "no", merely because the option I might have chosen was unavailable.

It's hardly a secret nor a historically hidden accounting to readily observe that Christian beliefs, long ago, have repeatedly claimed pagan observances and "celebrations" as errant Christian 'beliefs".

Facts are less unbiased, and quite clear. Virtually NO religious scholar nor any secular historian would clim with absolute certainty that a prophet named "Jesus" was "born" on Dec. 25th. No one knows with any specificity or certainty. NO ONE.

Yet, and before we all toss out such an observance with the bathwater, allow us all to at least acknowledge the actual sentiment and cause for such a "holiday". The notion of compassion, sharing, giving, sharing, generosity, and caring are hardly bound or tied one whit to religious beliefs, or that is my own hope. If giving a damn about the entirety of the human condition is bound solely to religious affiliations or beliefs alone...well.

As both a secularist and strident unbeliever (as defined) by any organized religion, My everlasting hope remains that people maintain the priorities of compassion and caring for others above any and all religious implications/beliefs. Whether your brand of mythology is grounded in a story two, four, or more millennia old, in the end...we're still just people. Religion comes and goes. People of need/want/hopes will remain until the extinction of our species.

WE "celebrate" the "spirit" of Christmas in that vein, and hope that others might do so in that understanding.
 
Bunyip

Bunyip

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CMA Energy said:
Sorry if you think it's lovely you need to learn a lesson in humility
To anyone of normal morals hates seeing two males making love or two females doing the same
This is repulsive to anyone of normal morals
Now would you like to see your child doing su
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Buddy, the topic is CHRISTMAS, not homosexuality. What on earth is immoral about getting the family together for a feast?
As to morality, only those whose morality is dictated by deitieis seem to think that homosexuality is immoral - and, then only because they imagine their god tells them so. Personally I see religiously inspired homophobia as immoral.
Probably not and it would be very offensive to you.
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WHAT? Why would I watch my kid having sex?
If not it should be including a real Christian.
Just the same it is a similar mental offense to those with good set of morals
I do hope you do not take offense to what I said but I hope it opens a channel of understanding where good morals come from (Christ) which is another name for God and God says he is Love
His ten commandments separates his children from the rest of society
And a true Christian follower knows that Christmas is an offence to God and Christ
God bless those who understand
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If homophobia comes from Christ, then that is not a moraloty I can admire.
 
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
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This man is trying to deny and deny it
This trend is in favour of Christianity
Because of doubt in any case explain in favour of the accused and the legal rules
If the evidence is not sufficient in case the suspect is in favour of the accused
Here, the accused is the date of Christmas
And challenging the validity of his birth lacking sufficient evidence
And the evidence they provide questionable
Christians give guides also
It is possible to appeal to the time it is two thousand years
So the question here is for Christians
This is at echnique used inlegal proceedings
Trying to connect Christ with certain ideas in ancient religions
This discussion also
And birth as we understand that he was caught in a historical event or tradition Roman
The Roman s knew the Census
And he wants to go back to the Roman tradition that looks at this
It is known that Palestine was a Roman colony in the days of Christ
Therefore Christmas is close to that date
And also the issue of killing the children of Bethlehem
And researchers can refer to the Roman dates
If thereserveddecidesit actuallyhappened
Here we demonstrate the approximate date to birth
Using Roman documents
If they exist
If its presence
It remains fixed to the Gospel narratives is the contrary proof
So this lawsuit to researchers to search the Roman dates
This is my idea of this forum to anyone who wants jobs who do not believe in Christmas
 
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
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Many of the traditions and ceremonies are not of Christianity
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Because Christ in a theological perspective is the Sun and the light it is sincere and is a joy
This became the tradition globally
Some people see a suitable mechanism for joy
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And also entered the Commerce and industry at this feast of our time also
I also say on the West walked away from the original meaning of Christmas has become a holiday only
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And free method also
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And in the East is joy mixed with tears
It's a joy to them, please bring peace to them
With the King ofpeace
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
MikeSavage said:
Don't be so stupid! Christmas is NOT a Christian holiday, it is a holiday of Christendom. True Christian's are no part of any religion, anyone part of a religion falsely claiming to be Christian are of Christendom. Babylon the Great. Revelation to John, and Galations both say religion is FALSE. Revelation says it will ALL be destroyed.
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That means Yeshua, who was a practicing Jew was going against His own teaching...? o_O
 
`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
WOW !!!
There are a lot of nut cases out there aren't there !
Oh well...something for everyone...light your trees everyone.
We can celebrate in unison, whatever are your beliefs.
And to the Jewish followers, of their sacred beliefs,
happy Chanukah, and blessed are you also.
With or without a christ, happy holidays,
and pass the turkey or the gefilte fish.
And where are the olives ?
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'mud
 
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