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God and Sex

Pah

Uber all member
God and Sex
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Published: October 23, 2004

Columnist Page: Nicholas D. Kristof
E-mail: [email protected]

New York Times registration needed

Homosexuality

Christians and Christianity

So, when God made homosexuals who fall deeply, achingly in love with each other, did he goof?

That seems implicit in the measures opposing gay marriage on the ballots of 11 states. All may pass; Oregon is the only state where the outcome seems uncertain.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
pah said:
So, when God made homosexuals who fall deeply, achingly in love with each other, did he goof?
Remember that creation was a slap-dash six day job. Obviously, God didn't work out all the bugs in his program.

Seriously, the fact homosexuals can and do fall deeply, achingly in love with each other belies the notion that homosexuality is an abomination to God. That is, unless one wants to believe in an especially perverse God.

That seems implicit in the measures opposing gay marriage on the ballots of 11 states. All may pass; Oregon is the only state where the outcome seems uncertain.
It really pisses me off that the admendments opposing gay marriage might pass in so many states. It pisses me off because attitudes about gay marriage are changing and these measures are an effort to lock in old-fashioned attitudes before it's too late to lock them in.
 

Ronald

Well-Known Member
pah said:
God and Sex
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Published: October 23, 2004

Columnist Page: Nicholas D. Kristof
E-mail: [email protected]

New York Times registration needed

Homosexuality

Christians and Christianity

So, when God made homosexuals who fall deeply, achingly in love with each other, did he goof?

That seems implicit in the measures opposing gay marriage on the ballots of 11 states. All may pass; Oregon is the only state where the outcome seems uncertain.
I am sorry Pah, But (to steal a phrase from Yeshua) You do greatly err, neither know the scriptures nor the power of God.

God never created a sinner! Adam was like God, made in his image(male and female). They(Adam & Eve) chose to disobey God and became sinners.

I am not smart enough to say just how one is born homosexual, but God had nothing to do with it.

Adam tried to blame God for his sin, "It was that woman, you gave me." It didn't work then and it wont work now! ;)
 

standing_on_one_foot

Well-Known Member
Ronald said:
I am sorry Pah, But (to steal a phrase from Yeshua) You do greatly err, neither know the scriptures nor the power of God.

God never created a sinner! Adam was like God, made in his image(male and female). They(Adam & Eve) chose to disobey God and became sinners.

I am not smart enough to say just how one is born homosexual, but God had nothing to do with it.

Adam tried to blame God for his sin, "It was that woman, you gave me." It didn't work then and it wont work now! ;)
Um, isn't God omnipotent, omnicognizent, and all those other omni's? Doesn't that mean that nothing can happen without God at least knowing about it (and, God being God, having something to do with it, since God made the world knowing how everything would turn out, being omnipotent)? So then, really, God's got some responsibility here, doesn't He? If not, then why? (Here we go again!)

And wasn't Adam more blaming Eve than God there?
 

Pah

Uber all member
I am sorry Pah, But (to steal a phrase from Yeshua) You do greatly err, neither know the scriptures nor the power of God.
Actually, Ronald, there is no way either you nor I nor NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF can be truly called to error. It's all in human interpretation and there is no proof of an interpretation one way or the other. My opinion and your opinion have the same strength - a human thought.

-pah-
 

Michelle

We are all related
Interesting article. One thing I feel sure about is that gays are going to have equal rights in this country one day. I may not live to see it but still. I see a lot of parallels to the history of blacks fighting for equal rights. The Churches in this country were split during the period preceding the civil war over the issue of slavery ( This is how and why the Southern Baptist split from the Northern liberal baptist). Then the slaves were set free but they didn't get any form of equal rights until the 60's. Now Churches are trying to say well it isnt the same thing but it is the same thing. Discriminating against gays using the bible as your justification is the same as justifying your hatred of homosexuaity. My hubyy recently wrote an essay about that. Can you really love the sinner and hate the sin? and truthfully, you cannot.
 

Rex

Founder
I saw we all email this guy at the times and see if can come and discuss here.

EMAIL HIM NOW..
 

SoulTYPE

Well-Known Member
Actually, that would be a good idea, Rex, I guess.

Make him come or I will send
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Trinity

Member
standing_on_one_foot said:
Um, isn't God omnipotent, omnicognizent, and all those other omni's? Doesn't that mean that nothing can happen without God at least knowing about it (and, God being God, having something to do with it, since God made the world knowing how everything would turn out, being omnipotent)? So then, really, God's got some responsibility here, doesn't He? If not, then why? (Here we go again!)

And wasn't Adam more blaming Eve than God there?

Yes God is all those omni's. He is also something else. Understanding. He knows we need room to grow and be ourselves so He lets people do what they want, even if He doesn't like their choice.
 

SoulTYPE

Well-Known Member
Sunstone said:
Remember that creation was a slap-dash six day job. Obviously, God didn't work out all the bugs in his program.

Seriously, the fact homosexuals can and do fall deeply, achingly in love with each other belies the notion that homosexuality is an abomination to God. That is, unless one wants to believe in an especially perverse God.

It really pisses me off that the admendments opposing gay marriage might pass in so many states. It pisses me off because attitudes about gay marriage are changing and these measures are an effort to lock in old-fashioned attitudes before it's too late to lock them in.

That was wellw ritten, Sunstone. I remember a street preacher telling people that they were to "change the bible" so that it was ok for homosexual relationships. How can you "change" the bible?
 

Michelle

We are all related
SoulTYPE01 said:
That was wellw ritten, Sunstone. I remember a street preacher telling people that they were to "change the bible" so that it was ok for homosexual relationships. How can you "change" the bible?
well actually you can or at least change how you interpret it. Read the history of the Civil war and equal rights for blacks from a religious point of view.
 

SoulTYPE

Well-Known Member
Um, but this dude was actually trying to get peopl'e signatures to send to the pope, so he cansend it to God.

I may believe in a lot of things, but not that.
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Ronald writes: I am not smart enough to say just how one is born homosexual
GOD is:

Actually, there are a number of reasons why people would choose to become homosexual. It could BE simple loneliness. It could BE confusion on the part of individuals to express themselves sexually. One man may feel it is convenient and comfortable to share his feelings and sexual intimacy exclusively with other men. It can BE the fact that, in one or many previous lives as a woman, someone may come back as a man but still retain the preference of sharing with another man. The damaging or disappointing effects of a heterosexual relationship can bring on homosexuality in this lifetime. These are not MY reasons; they are just some of the reasons I have observed throughout your history.
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Trinity writes:Yes God is all those omni's. He is also something else. Understanding. He knows we need room to grow and be ourselves so He lets people do what they want, even if He doesn't like their choice.
If GOD doesn’t like our choices in this physical existence than he can not be that UNDERSTANDING can he?
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Soultype01 writes: I remember a street preacher telling people that they were to "change the bible" so that it was ok for homosexual relationships. How can you "change" the bible?
By actually getting in touch with GOD and writing your own. EveryONE has a Bible within them.
 

SoulTYPE

Well-Known Member
The way I see it, (If God DID create man), is that males and females were created with their respective parts. Apparently, we were created to "Share" our love with our partner, and producing the gift of "life". So, if we used these "parts" the way God had intended us to, we would be carrying out his "gift" and "miracle" of life.

However, some people may not want to follow this, or, like carderro wrote:

It could BE simple loneliness. It could BE confusion on the part of individuals to express themselves sexually. One man may feel it is convenient and comfortable to share his feelings and sexual intimacy exclusively with other men. It can BE the fact that, in one or many previous lives as a woman, someone may come back as a man but still retain the preference of sharing with another man. The damaging or disappointing effects of a heterosexual relationship can bring on homosexuality in this lifetime. These are not MY reasons; they are just some of the reasons I have observed throughout your history.

which is a desriptive answer. Especially Lonliness. Alot of people may turn gay due to
being the only one at school that didn't "pick up", or have just found that they get along better with the same sex.

Now, I can see the meaning behind why we were created that way. But if people want to be gay, let them.
 

Pah

Uber all member
SoulTYPE01 said:
The way I see it, (If God DID create man), is that males and females were created with their respective parts. Apparently, we were created to "Share" our love with our partner, and producing the gift of "life". So, if we used these "parts" the way God had intended us to, we would be carrying out his "gift" and "miracle" of life.

However, some people may not want to follow this, or, like carderro wrote:

It could BE simple loneliness. It could BE confusion on the part of individuals to express themselves sexually. One man may feel it is convenient and comfortable to share his feelings and sexual intimacy exclusively with other men. It can BE the fact that, in one or many previous lives as a woman, someone may come back as a man but still retain the preference of sharing with another man. The damaging or disappointing effects of a heterosexual relationship can bring on homosexuality in this lifetime. These are not MY reasons; they are just some of the reasons I have observed throughout your history.

which is a desriptive answer. Especially Lonliness. Alot of people may turn gay due to
being the only one at school that didn't "pick up", or have just found that they get along better with the same sex.

Now, I can see the meaning behind why we were created that way. But if people want to be gay, let them.


You are obviously not looking at all of God's creation.

-pah-
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Soultype01 writes: But if people want to be gay, let them.


I believe that this is how GOD feels about it as well. I do not think that GOD views/judges gender and sexes as traditionally as humans perceive them
 

SoulTYPE

Well-Known Member
Because God respects us infinite times more than we respect each other. (Well, supposedly, I don't follow that religion, but yeah)
 
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