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Jesus as mediator

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
If you were a Jehovah's Witness you would be transgressing their law to "be in subjection" to The Governing Body. I do not know why Bible Student feels free to disagree with them. If it is true what the faithful and discreet slave says about the mediation of Jesus Christ and you disagree with it you would be in a position to be grieving God's Holy Spirit. Unless The Watchtower prints a retraction we are all to believe Jesus mediates for only 144,000. Please correct me if this is not the truth. Bible Student can't do it as I am on his ignore list. And love must hope I am not a "least one of Jesus' brothers" for his sake.

When there are no members of the 144,000 on the Earth because they will all be changed to be like Christ The Spirit then all we will have are their words they left to obey. Their words say Jesus mediates for only 144,000. As a thinking person I can see what is wrong with believing that. We are to seek Jehovah as they say. But without Christ's mediation it is a vain pursuit. Also to believe Jesus does not mediate is to never ask him to do it. But I believe it is every Christian's responsibility to ask.
I don't read Rev much, I think it can be misleading.
 

savagewind

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It is not really a difficult imagining. Kings accept and reject. God's Holy Spirit rejects everything which is bad. Bad means that which makes good bad. Goodness cannot accept badness. So The Mediator is He Who makes bad good. See? The Brick was right I think when he said it is not something that happens once for perpetuity. Every time I feel the need to approach The King I need Jesus.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
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I think I would like a Brickjectivity definition of law so I might know what you are talking about.
Two things: Law and L-RD must always be defined together. As the definition of one changes so does the other. As there is the 'Letter' and the 'Spirit' of the Law, there is also the 'Letter' and the 'Spirit' of the L-RD. On paper L-RD is a covenant that binds Jews together. Its a talking covenant, but its a covenant. But what is that covenant? It is Letters, but then there is also the Spirit, and Christians should receive a spirit of adoption into that covenant.
  • Deut 4:6 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
  • I Corinthians 6:17 "But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit."
Burning Bush
The unspiritual person passes over the letters and sees nothing but letters. For them its like seeing a bush burning in the desert, and they pass by. The person who practices the Law (or the spiritual person) sees much more. They see the bush isn't burning and hear a voice come out of it! It is a still, small voice. On paper the Law is part of a covenant that orders society. It says "Break the law, and you die!' Lawless people look at it and say "Its only a piece of paper!" From the start there is more than one way of perceiving the Law, and people don't like that. You can analyze it with computers and find out how many times letter Aleph is written down, because it is tangible. You can read it and say you have read it. So you can analyze it and know what it says yet miss the point. You can't do that to God as God might contain an infinite number of Alephs. No one can analyze God.

What about 'Christians' ?
The arrival of Jesus invites all people everywhere to join in the house of faith. Christians from the start have disagreements about how this should be implemented. "Should Christians be circumcised?" Paul and Peter say 'No' in Acts. Others said 'Yes'. ( Women say "I am glad I don't have to make that decision!" ) So how does the Christian perceive the Law, and how does he or she be spiritual? How does a Christian hear the voice from the burning bush? I say however they can, let them. I don't want to stand in between.

Mediators
I hope I have shown why it is hard to define 'Law' in Christianity. You'd have to define what the spirit of the Law is! First, there is more than one definition. The question becomes "Which definition are you capable of perceiving?" Do you see that the bush is not burning? Do you hear a still, small voice? Well then, there should be no one between you and that voice. If you are wearing shoes, the voice will even tell you to remove them.
"Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:39
"But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 19:14


Law
Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
Judges 14:18 "What is sweeter than honey? and what is stronger than a lion?"
Psalm 119:103 "How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!"
 

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
This says it all I think:

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and man*, the man Christ Jesus;

*That is anthropos and not aner... mankind.
 

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
OK but to them, their children and their students it is TRUE. Like you say.
I have a paper somewhere that says that Nero was the ''Beast'' and the ''hills'' Rome. (I will find it if you want it). It works well for their time. No doubt it will fit other times, but it is of no concern. No one knows the time nor the hour... do not concern yourself which such trivia.
 

savagewind

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"Brickjectivity, post: 4017798, member: 41354"]
Burning Bush
The unspiritual person passes over the letters and sees nothing but letters. For them its like seeing a bush burning in the desert, and they pass by. The person who practices the Law (or the spiritual person) sees much more. They see the bush isn't burning and hear a voice come out of it! It is a still, small voice. On paper the Law is part of a covenant that orders society. It says "Break the law, and you die!' Lawless people look at it and say "Its only a piece of paper!" From the start there is more than one way of perceiving the Law, and people don't like that. You can analyze it with computers and find out how many times letter Aleph is written down, because it is tangible. You can read it and say you have read it. So you can analyze it and know what it says yet miss the point. You can't do that to God as God might contain an infinite number of Alephs. No one can analyze God.

No! The person not for The Lord sees the law to obey IT. They do not pass it by! God would wish they WOULD, I think.

A question. Is it possible to obey the law and THE LORD? How please? Isn't all trouble caused by humanity obsessed with law and what it will do? It won't do anything because it is not alive.

The rest is lovely and I can't disagree with it.
 

savagewind

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I have a paper somewhere that says that Nero was the ''Beast'' and the ''hills'' Rome. (I will find it if you want it). It works well for their time. No doubt it will fit other times, but it is of no concern. No one knows the time nor the hour... do not concern yourself which such trivia.
Very cute! Haha
 

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
No! The person not for The Lord sees the law to obey IT. They do not pass it by! God would wish they WOULD, I think.

A question. Is it possible to obey the law and THE LORD? How please? Isn't all trouble caused by humanity obsessed with law and what it will do? It won't do anything because it is not alive.

The rest is lovely and I can't disagree with it.
I thought all trouble was caused by people disobeying the law ... that's why we have them in the first place isn't it? because we do wrong.
 

savagewind

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I thought all trouble was caused by people disobeying the law ... that's why we have them in the first place isn't it? because we do wrong.
What did Paul say? Romans 7:7 I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "You shall not covet."
 

savagewind

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We are surprised at you Robert. With your bubbles you must be aware the law "do not touch it" came BEFORE the touching of it.
 

savagewind

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People will say Romans 7:7 means without the law people would not know what is bad to do. But doesn't it mean people would not know it is possible to do?
 

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
What did Paul say? Romans 7:7 I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "You shall not covet."
Someonemust write them down though. They do it becaue they see wrong don't they, which was my point, madam
 

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
You don't know if the people writing it see wrong. Do you? How?
We write down laws to control peopl e who do bad things. I think Paul is speaking of a different law to what we might first think of. There is man's law and God's law
 

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Yes. The command do not touch the tree of the knowledge of good and bad came before it was touched.
Ok. So you are saying it is known before it is given? It must be. But that is conceptual within the logos of God. We are the ones who make the mistakes. Why did people die even when there was no law then?
 

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
So how does God work out that you shouldn't do certain things in order that we have laws given first, such as the garden?
And yet when out of the garden, there is no law present at first.
 
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