sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
the people who originally told the stories in the bible. the issue doesn't have anything to do with editing, or mistranslation. It's simply how God was perceived by those who told the stories.
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Why "one God"?
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morphesium
Active Member
why did prophets made predictions and what was the role of prophets embedded up on them.
I am an atheist, but monotheistic in my atheism. The god that is one is the god that is only.
If there's only god, then god is one. "Only" is its attribute.
It makes sense to me because I believe a god should be almighty, regardless to other attributes, and almighty means have the absolute power. If more than one god exist, the world will become chaotic. Gods will want to take over and wars on a different scale will take place. Having a "god of something" does not make sense to me because once again s/he will not be almighty being a god of something not just God.
They say a god is worthy of worship. Having the above, a god would not be a god if not almighty, then s/he is not worthy to be worshiped. Worshiping a god while the other waits does not make sense to me. Well humans can worship more than one god in the exact same time, and I mean at the same moment, not as a belief.
My belief. Or as they say, $0.02
morphesium
Active Member
Imagine a situations like this, A land slide which killed every one in the family including an infant baby. after 300 years, someone excavates the area and find these bones. How can you say the sufferings of the kid is a test.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I didn't get your point or your question.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
The infant baby would go straight to heaven.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
No one of who you think drew you to them. It is you who chose that way and it is you who is trying to convince himself of that.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
2:255
Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
morphesium
Active Member
It makes sense to me because I believe a god should be almighty, regardless to other attributes, and almighty means have the absolute power. If more than one god exist, the world will become chaotic. Gods will want to take over and wars on a different scale will take place. Having a "god of something" does not make sense to me because once again s/he will not be almighty being a god of something not just God.
They say a god is worthy of worship. Having the above, a god would not be a god if not almighty, then s/he is not worthy to be worshiped. Worshiping a god while the other waits does not make sense to me. Well humans can worship more than one god in the exact same time, and I mean at the same moment, not as a belief.
My belief. Or as they say, $0.02
Nice to hear from you again.
So what does a God look like - I (we) don't know. how much does it weigh? I (we) don't know. Don't know if God has weight even.God's Density, we don't know. volume, we don't know. So, do we know any of the physical properties of God? To be honest, NO, Nothing.
Now what about the mathematical properties-
To say that there is one God, you have to accept that there is a mathematical property in God , which enables one to Count God.
for example, one can count apples, oranges etc. But can we count space -NO, water -NO (these have uncountable property). we say little space, some water etc but not one water (one liter of water is different - it is the liter we count). In Hindu religion there is a saying, that "God is everywhere". in the water, in the air, in you , in me, etc. so if we take some water, there is God in it ( not some God in it)- Pour it into two glass and you haven't halved God as you pour it into the two glasses . there is not the same god in the two glass of water nor two Gods in those glasses of water, but God in those water. Is that the mathematical property of God - I don't know.
What I am asking is when we say one God, How do we know that God has this mathematical property which enables us to count God. what i am saying isn't it more truthful or more elegant to say just "God" than "one God"
I hope you get my point.
Personally, I believe we are all God sent. our morale, our subconscious inherent nature to do the rightful is the God sent message to each and one of us. And i definitely believe that God doesn't need the help of religion and Prophets to give us Gods message.
Thanking you.
Gnostic Seeker
Spiritual
Yeah because you totally speak for me. You'd totally know what I experience right?
Sabour
Well-Known Member
I am sorry I didn't mean to speak for you.
We are here in the forum to discuss and debate with one another. I would never walk away from a discussion without saying what I truly think, unless I was asked to. I would never lie nor remain silent to satisfy anyone.
Sorry that I seemed to be rude, but what I was saying that who you think are drawing you near them don't exist. I wasn't talking about your experience, I don't even know it to talk about it. I am saying that your conclusion was wrong for the reason that they don't exist.
allfoak
Alchemist
One God?
I would imagine that if there are many gods they would have to be in balance.
Which would mean they work as one.
If there is one god then that god would have to be unified.
Nothing can exist without balance and unity.
At least not for long.
There is an opposite for everything and everything is a whole thing.
Everything is polarized and holographic.
I love life!
I would imagine that if there are many gods they would have to be in balance.
Which would mean they work as one.
If there is one god then that god would have to be unified.
Nothing can exist without balance and unity.
At least not for long.
There is an opposite for everything and everything is a whole thing.
Everything is polarized and holographic.
I love life!
Gnostic Seeker
Spiritual
Which you have no evidence of. You've provided none in this whole thread. You haven't refuted any polytheistic arguments. You just keep referencing the Quran, which we don't accept.
Can I ask why Muhammad refused to debate with the polytheist leaders of his time if he truly had the truth and was above them? Surely he could have defeated them in a actual argument? Instead all he did was employ threats and say believe or else.
Why is it neither Christianity or Islam prevailed over pagans except by force and rule?
morphesium
Active Member
attributes - His essence cannot be comprehended by a human's limited mental capacity.
Imagine a car company produces cars and nobody knows how to drive. How does this makes sense.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
This thread wasn't meant for discussing polytheistic arguments, but still I provided a reason which refutes it.
What you have provided about the prophet's actions is wrong. Even logically it doesn't make sense that one man was able to achieve all this by employing threats and say believe or else.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
Your example doesn't relate to our topic because a car is produced in order for us to drive. However, Allah gave us all the information WE NEED about Him and about the life in the Quraan. Other things that we don't know are of no importance.
What we really need to know about Allah is already found in the Quraan and in the Sunnah.
If you are suggesting that we should know EVERYTHING about Allah, than I am telling you that we don't know everything. We only know what Allah wants us to know and we know enough to carry on and live our life the way it should be lived.
Nice to hear from you again.
So what does a God look like - I (we) don't know. how much does it weigh? I (we) don't know. Don't know if God has weight even.God's Density, we don't know. volume, we don't know. So, do we know any of the physical properties of God? To be honest, NO, Nothing.
Now what about the mathematical properties-
To say that there is one God, you have to accept that there is a mathematical property in God , which enables one to Count God.
for example, one can count apples, oranges etc. But can we count space -NO, water -NO (these have uncountable property). we say little space, some water etc but not one water (one liter of water is different - it is the liter we count). In Hindu religion there is a saying, that "God is everywhere". in the water, in the air, in you , in me, etc. so if we take some water, there is God in it ( not some God in it)- Pour it into two glass and you haven't halved God as you pour it into the two glasses . there is not the same god in the two glass of water nor two Gods in those glasses of water, but God in those water. Is that the mathematical property of God - I don't know.
What I am asking is when we say one God, How do we know that God has this mathematical property which enables us to count God. what i am saying isn't it more truthful or more elegant to say just "God" than "one God"
I hope you get my point.
Personally, I believe we are all God sent. our morale, our subconscious inherent nature to do the rightful is the God sent message to each and one of us. And i definitely believe that God doesn't need the help of religion and Prophets to give us Gods message.
Thanking you.
To be honest with you Sir/Ma'am... your post is complicated for me
I'm really bad in philosophical views. All I have to offer is the following:
God in my beliefs is countable and he is one deity. He's got a personality like we do, but it is or its nature is unknown except for what we were told. Our heritage also mentions some attributes of His, like having a hand, He gets angry, sentimental, happy, and some others, but we do not know their nature or extent exactly.
As for placement of God, we believe He is in high in the heavens (not paradise) and sometimes He come down to earth, but again, we do not the nature of his descending if it is in specific places. His knowledge covers every place and time, but He is not every where. Other wise, He would be put in inappropriate places. I don't think it is appropriate to place God in a bathroom for example.
Forgive me, this is all I can say in relation to your post
The Bible has many prophecies that have been fulfilled. One example is the Bible foretold Babylon's conqueror's name, long before he was born, and how Babylon would fall. Also that this man Cyrus would release the Jews and allow them to return to their homeland. The inspired prophecy also foretold how long Israel would be held captive in Babylon. It all came true.
(Isaiah 44:28, 45:1-6, Daniel 9:2)
Sabour
Well-Known Member
Nice to hear from you again.
So what does a God look like - I (we) don't know. how much does it weigh? I (we) don't know. Don't know if God has weight even.God's Density, we don't know. volume, we don't know. So, do we know any of the physical properties of God? To be honest, NO, Nothing.
Now what about the mathematical properties-
To say that there is one God, you have to accept that there is a mathematical property in God , which enables one to Count God.
for example, one can count apples, oranges etc. But can we count space -NO, water -NO (these have uncountable property). we say little space, some water etc but not one water (one liter of water is different - it is the liter we count). In Hindu religion there is a saying, that "God is everywhere". in the water, in the air, in you , in me, etc. so if we take some water, there is God in it ( not some God in it)- Pour it into two glass and you haven't halved God as you pour it into the two glasses . there is not the same god in the two glass of water nor two Gods in those glasses of water, but God in those water. Is that the mathematical property of God - I don't know.
What I am asking is when we say one God, How do we know that God has this mathematical property which enables us to count God. what i am saying isn't it more truthful or more elegant to say just "God" than "one God"
I hope you get my point.
Personally, I believe we are all God sent. our morale, our subconscious inherent nature to do the rightful is the God sent message to each and one of us. And i definitely believe that God doesn't need the help of religion and Prophets to give us Gods message.
Thanking you.
God doesn't need the help of religion and prophets to give us His message. That is 10000000000 % true.
However, Allah chose this way to tell us about life. He doesn't need help but we do. Allah chose that way to tell us how we are supposed to live and what waits us after this life.
If your version of belief that God sent message to each of us, don't you think that at least we will hold the same opinion about God?