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80 Reasons to Doubt Christianity

mfrunyan

mfrunyan

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I have compiled all of the reasons that caused me to become an ex-Christian. This list hits Christianity from every conceivable angle. It may not prove it false, but it does so beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Robert.Evans

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
mfrunyan said:
I have compiled all of the reasons that caused me to become an ex-Christian. This list hits Christianity from every conceivable angle. It may not prove it false, but it does so beyond a reasonable doubt.

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If I give 81 reasons why we should not doubt it, does that mean I win? :confused:
 
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fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
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Just a quick piece of advice, if you don't mind me saying.

It may feel like an impressive accomplishment to compile a lengthy list, but nobody is going to debate or engage with you on 80 points.

If you really want to have a debate or conversation, pick one. Just pick your best point, present it here in the best light you can and then people might engage with you.

Just a suggestion.
 
Robert.Evans

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
mfrunyan said:
I have compiled all of the reasons that caused me to become an ex-Christian. This list hits Christianity from every conceivable angle. It may not prove it false, but it does so beyond a reasonable doubt.

[MOD EDIT: link removed because linking is not allowed before 15 substantive posts]
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You have spent a lot of time there. I'm afraid it is too long to answer. If you wish to put them in one sentence structure, I will answer them for you. It won't make any difference of course, because you look for those answers because you seem to have made up your mind it seems. Either way, the offer is there. :)
 
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Robert.Evans

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Robert.Evans said:
You have spent a lot of time there. I'm afraid it is too long to answer. If you wish to put them in one sentence structure, I will answer them for you. It won't make any difference of course, because you look for those answers because you seem to have made up your mind, hence the reasons why you look for those things in the first place. Either way, the offer is there. :)
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The article is complete nonsense but I on the other hand would love to debate.Lets take the #3 hell issue first.What is spoken of in the article is based on assumptions and mistranslations.It just goes to show that no matter how educated one says they are,they will never understand God's Word, unless it is revealed to them, by God Himself, by way of holy spirit.These so called scholars,(200 professionally trained specialists) have no idea what they are speaking about.God considers the wisdom of this world foolishness.

God does not punish people by roasting them alive in a fire for all eternity.Everlasting life is a gift.Why would God burn you forever? That makes no sense, and would render Him a cruel God.God is love.Yes,if we do not follow His commands we will not inherit everlasting life.This is true.But He will not torture us.Eternal damnation really means eternal separation from or God and creator.It does not mean we will burn in hell.Those who do as God commands will inherit life everlasting.Those who do not follow His commands will not inherit life everlasting.They will be forgotten.


Here is an example of how God feels about burning people alive in fire.


Jeremiah 7:31 They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind.


Jeremiah 19:5 They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal--something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.


So we can clearly see from these two passages that God does not condone such behavior.He even says it is something that never entered His mind.

This Eternal lake of fire is a symbolic reference meaning eternal damnation by way of eternal destruction.When God refers to fire as a means of destruction it usually means total destruction.We know that it says Satan the Devil is reserved for the eternal lake of fire in Revelation 20:10.If you really think about it,physical fire and sulphur cannot harm an invisible spirit creature.This proves that the eternal lake of fire is not a real pit of fire.It is symbolic.





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I noticed how in the #12 issue concerning evil spirits it mentions, near the end, that if Jesus was really God he would have known that it was not evil spirits that were really causing the diseases.First,the scriptures say that the evil spirits responded to Jesus.In one case the demons were so scared they asked if they could enter a flock of pigs.Jesus allowed this.Witnesses saw this take place.Diseases cannot speak and respond.

Matthew 8:31 The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs."

It is important to take note that not all stricken with diseases were related to demon possession.

Matthew 4:24 News about him spread all over Syria, and people brought to him all who were ill with various diseases, those suffering severe pain, the demon-possessed, those having seizures, and the paralyzed; and he healed them.



Though demon activity was associated with epileptic symptoms in this particular case, epilepsy normally has natural causes, and the Scriptures do not imply that it is generally caused by demon possession. Rather, Matthew (4:24) reports that people brought Jesus ailing ones including “demon-possessed and epileptic” persons, drawing a distinction between these two types of individuals cured by Christ.

The English term “epilepsy” is derived from the Greek word e·pi·le·psi′a, meaning literally “seizure.” However, e·pi·le·psi′a is not used in the Bible. Rather, for this disorder Matthew (4:24; 17:15) employed forms of the Greek word se·le·ni·a′zo·mai,meaning, literally, “be moonstruck.” Whereas the KingJamesVersion uses “lunatick,” certain modern translations employ “epileptic(s)” at Matthew 4:24; 17:15.—AS;NW;RS.



Epilepsy — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

Now that the disease matter has been explained I will now touch on the Jesus being God issue.Jesus is not God.He is the Son of God.It is explained in the holy scriptures but due to mistranslations and false doctrines of men,many believe that Jesus is, in fact, God.This is far from the truth.Throughout the entire NT one can easily see how Jesus states he only does what the Father has told him to do.Jesus also prays to God and calls the Father his God.Jesus asked permission from God.Jesus is also resurrected by God and not by his own doing.Jesus is also called God's firstborn Son.We now that God is eternal and was not born.Jesus was.God is the Alpha and the Omega.He has no beginning.Jesus did.
 
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Rex

Rex

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The OP looks to be just wanting traffic to their site as they haven't posted anything else. We shall see if they come to defend.
 
mfrunyan

mfrunyan

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Bible Student said:
The article is complete nonsense but I on the other hand would love to debate.Lets take the #3 hell issue first.What is spoken of in the article is based on assumptions and mistranslations.It just goes to show that no matter how educated one says they are,they will never understand God's Word, unless it is revealed to them, by God Himself, by way of holy spirit.These so called scholars,(200 professionally trained specialists) have no idea what they are speaking about.God considers the wisdom of this world foolishness.

God does not punish people by roasting them alive in a fire for all eternity.Everlasting life is a gift.Why would God burn you forever? That makes no sense, and would render Him a cruel God.God is love.Yes,if we do not follow His commands we will not inherit everlasting life.This is true.But He will not torture us.Eternal damnation really means eternal separation from or God and creator.It does not mean we will burn in hell.Those who do as God commands will inherit life everlasting.Those who do not follow His commands will not inherit life everlasting.They will be forgotten.


Here is an example of how God feels about burning people alive in fire.


Jeremiah 7:31 They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind.


Jeremiah 19:5 They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal--something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.


So we can clearly see from these two passages that God does not condone such behavior.He even says it is something that never entered His mind.

This Eternal lake of fire is a symbolic reference meaning eternal damnation by way of eternal destruction.When God refers to fire as a means of destruction it usually means total destruction.We know that it says Satan the Devil is reserved for the eternal lake of fire in Revelation 20:10.If you really think about it,physical fire and sulphur cannot harm an invisible spirit creature.This proves that the eternal lake of fire is not a real pit of fire.It is symbolic.

I am the one taking scripture at its word, you are doing a dance around those words. In other areas, you will insist that the scriptures must be taken literally. You need to be consistent.



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mfrunyan

mfrunyan

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I'm taking the scriptures literally, just as you do for everything that you agree with. Face to face with a god that doesn't seem fair, you apply your own interpretation. The list on #5 should settle any doubt on the nature of the Hebrew god.
 
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mfrunyan said:
I'm taking the scriptures literally, just as you do for everything that you agree with. Face to face with a god that doesn't seem fair, you apply your own interpretation. The list on #5 should settle any doubt on the nature of the Hebrew god.
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Who are you speaking to? I noticed you stated you are taking the Scriptures literally.Not everything in it is literal.There are parables, like in the book of Matthew, and much symbolic language,especially in the book of Revelation.
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
mfrunyan said:
I have compiled all of the reasons that caused me to become an ex-Christian. This list hits Christianity from every conceivable angle. It may not prove it false, but it does so beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Christians don't have to be biblical fundamentalists. One can be a follower of Jesus Christ and not take everything in the bible as the gospel truth (pun intended). You can believe the bible writers were fallible people who meant well. These believers might be able to chop 80 items off your list which I haven't seen yet.
 
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George-ananda said:
Christians don't have to be biblical fundamentalists. One can be a follower of Jesus Christ and not take everything in the bible as the gospel truth (pun intended). You can believe the bible writers were fallible people who meant well. These believers might be able to chop 80 items off your list which I haven't seen yet.
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How does one call themselves a Christian and not believe that the words written in the NT by Jesus followers are true?
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Bible Student said:
How does one call themselves a Christian and not believe that the words written in the NT by Jesus followers are true?
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By believing in Jesus Christ as a great soul and teacher and believing his true followers that spoke and wrote about Him were well-intentioned but not infallible (which certainly seems like the case to me).
 
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