JM2C
CHRISTIAN
You see you try to adapt a theology on which you have no understanding at all.
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Jesus ain't God.
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Desert Snake
Veteran Member
You did not give an alt-terp for thou shalt not kill here.
What is it, JM? What else can it be? Are you a Jain? Don't kill insects?
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
What is psalm 110 in the JPS/Masoretic text? If you can post the exact verse of psalm 110:1 in JPS/Masoretic text that would be great.
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
God gave the Ten Commandments to Moses for the Israelites or the people in Exodus 20.
IOW, God did not give the Ten Commandments to the Gentiles before, during, and after the Lord Jesus Christ ministry here on earth.
The Book of the Covenant [from Gen.20:22 to 23:33] is the exposition of the Ten Commandments.
Ex 24:8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people/Israelites, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you/Israel [and not with the Gentiles] concerning all these words.
IOW again, one cannot separate one from the other because one cannot work without the other or they are one piece of Law of God. They, the Ten Commandments and The Book of the Covenant, are one piece of Law of God designed only for the Israelites during that time.
They are not for the Gentiles during Moses’ and the Prophets’ time, except for the Gentile proselytes, and before and after the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ or of today. IOW, the Law of Moses is not for Gentiles to follow.
For example: In the book of Joshua, everytime the Israelites conquer a city in Canaan they don’t do nothing but kill all the people in that city and take their properties.
Jos 8:22 Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped.
Jos 8:27 Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua.
Now, the question is, were they violating two of God’s commandments in the Ten Commandments?
Ex 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Ex 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
NO! Because these two commandments are applicable only within the community of God and that is, the Israelites ONLY. Outside from this community, as long as God is commanding them, they can do anything to anyone without violating the Ten Commandments and The Book of the Covenant.
We could never understand these two commandments of God, if we base it on Joshua 8:22-27, and if we don’t read The Book of the Covenant where it says,
Ex 21:12 “Anyone who hits a person hard enough to cause death must be put to death.
Ex 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
Can we apply these rules to a non-Israelite then and to Christians now?
No! Christians cannot pick and choose which of the Law of Moses to follow because the whole Law of Moses is one piece of Law of God that one cannot separate for his or her own purposes.
Another example is, tithing. Many Christian churches use this part of the Law of Moses to collect money from the congregation. They use Malachi 3:8-10 for tithing, but if you read this book, God was talking to the priests and the Israelites and not to Gentiles or Christians of today.
IOW, Christians cannot just pick this particular Law of Moses and ignore the rest.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
No explanation needed on this verse. One cannot pick and choose which of the Law of Moses to follow otherwise, one is under the curse of God, or “fallen from grace“.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
And you, a Gentile, trying to adapt the Law of Moses because your leader says so. Heretics!
You wouldn’t know what to do if you apply the whole Law of Moses to your daily living today.
You will be doing nothing but reading and applying the Law of Moses all day everyday 24x7. Heretics!!!
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
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RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
For informational purposes. The tetragrammaton is reduced here to ה
לדוד מזמור נאם ה' לאדני שב לימיני עד אשית איביך הדם לרגליך
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110:1
l·dud
to·David
מִ זְ מר
mzmur
psalm
נְ אֻ ם
nam
averment-of
יְ הוָה
ieue
Yahweh
לַ אדֹ נִ י
l·adn·i
to·lord-of·me
שֵׁ ב
shb
sit-you !
לִ ימִ ינִ י
l·imin·i
to·right-hand-of·me
עַ ד
od
until
־
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. <<A Psalm of David.>>
The LORD said unto my
Lord, Sit thou at my right
hand, until I make thine
enemies thy footstool.
1
אָ שִׁ ית
a****h
I-shall-set
אֹ יְ בֶ י
aibi·k
ones-being-enemies-of·you
הֲ דֹ ם
edm
stool
לְ רַ גְ לֶ י
l·rgli·k
for·feet-of·you
This is the link:
http://scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa110.pdf
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Taureaux bleus
Drifter
GOD has an identity stated in EX 3:14.
JESUS uses this name 'I AM' on several occasions referring to Himself ...
A clear claim that He Jesus indeed is God... the reaction of the people...
- they wanted to stone Him making the claim...
- the guards in getsemane fell to the ground...
Clear evidence Christ Jesus indeed is God walking in the flesh between his creation and they did not recognise Him...
JESUS uses this name 'I AM' on several occasions referring to Himself ...
A clear claim that He Jesus indeed is God... the reaction of the people...
- they wanted to stone Him making the claim...
- the guards in getsemane fell to the ground...
Clear evidence Christ Jesus indeed is God walking in the flesh between his creation and they did not recognise Him...
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
THE SMALL LAW IS THAT THE TEN AND THE SHEMA? AND THE BIG LAW IS THE WHOLE Law of Moses?
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
The Lord Jesus Christ is the High Priest according to Hebrews.
READ AND UNDERSTAND:
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then would no place have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant he hath made the first old. But that which is becoming old and waxeth aged is nigh unto vanishing away.
2Co 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.
2Co 3:15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.
2Co 3:16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
You’ve answered or you’ve contradicted your own statement.
You have to understand the Lord Jesus did not preach to the Gentiles in the four gospels, but only on two occasions.
Mt 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
The Gentiles did not get into the picture until the middle part of Acts, and that is, Chapter 10 of Acts. Gentiles were grafted.
Ro 11:11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.
Ro 11:17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,
Ro 11:18 do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
Ro 11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
You want me to get into this argument so you could play it the way you want. Not interested. But read this anyway this might wake you up into reality that you are a Gentile AND NOT PART OF THE SEMITIC JEWS.
Ro 2:14 (Indeed, when GENTILES, WHO DO NOT HAVE THE LAW, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law,
Ro 2:15 since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
You are preaching now my friend. Why you run out of arguments. I guess the box is empty. Huh?
what happen to this chanting my friend?
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
nice C&P. tell me the difference here?