Ceridwen018
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Por que no, amigo?I don't mean to stifle the discussion here, but the ordination of women will NEVER happen in the Catholic Church. It can't.
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Por que no, amigo?I don't mean to stifle the discussion here, but the ordination of women will NEVER happen in the Catholic Church. It can't.
What is your personal belief on this? Do you agree with/share the Church's view?SOGFPP
The Church has defined the denial of women to the Sacrament of Holy Orders as part of the deposit of faith. This means in can not be changed. The Church has NEVER reversed part of the deposit in 2,000 years....... it can't be done.
I am sure that people wish for a lot of things...... money, fame, eternal life..... just because we want things to happen a certain way, does not mean that is what God intended.carrdero said:If I personally had the choice of BEing a priest or a mother I would choose the option of BEing both.
Though I am sure that BEing a mother and a priest is definitely out of the question for me in this physical existence (maybe the next one), GOD has assured me that his intentions do not really have an effect on my PERSONAL PURPOSE.SOGFPP writes: I am sure that people wish for a lot of things...... money, fame, eternal life..... just because we want things to happen a certain way, does not mean that is what God intended.
The Church does have a view about this: a negative view.carrdero said:if nuns were allowed to have children she would have pursued the calling of a nun. She assured me that the Church also has views about this.
Though I am not sure in what capacity she had wanted to serve her Church I will pass this information on to her. Once again thank you for the quick response.SOGFPP writes:If a woman wants children, don't be a nun. Easy. We can serve God in any capacity that life brings us. The most humble servant serves and glorifies God by showing virtue in the workplace. One does not need to make a vow to live a holy life.
Great posts! Welcome. I just want to point out that I have a great deal of respect for women, and there are several outlets for religious women in the ministry (aparrently your faith and many others come to mind).FyreBrigidIce said:I accept that some religious organizations do not feel a woman should be a priestess or minister. I do not agree with it anymore than I would agree that a woman should not be President of the United States. Personal opinion of mine only. I figure if we are good enough to give birth to members of such organizations we should be good enough to help lead those organizations and teach as well.
Again, from a girl's pov, I find nothin bad about it. I find it awesome!robtex said:Relgion is a reflection of society and as such should have represenatives of both sexes. By letting only men run the religious institutions those relgions I think it would be apt to promote,
1) alienate the woman proportion of their religion--which I can't answer since I am a guy. Um, no. I can do so much in my church, I can be a lector, an altar server, a minister of the Eucharist, I am active in my youth group, I can do anything, but be a priest. I am ok with that.
2) create an atmosphere of friction amongst the members by picking one sex over the other that will continue into their homes That is not true, once again, one sex is not better than the other one.
3) demote love as a product of their religion
4) go against the laws of nature that says there is balance in the world between male and female
2) the friction being caused by acceptance of the dogma that some religons push making men and woman unequal. I don't feel any friction. If men really treated woman like the Bible says woman would still be property of men today in Christian societies. Muslim woman are property of men in part due to their religion. The only person I am property to is God. Any dogma presented in a relgious place that has an emotional impact on a member will be carried into the household from time to time. If that dogma is inequality than it will create friction in marriages between men and woman. Once again, not true. My father respects my mother greatly. There is no "I am better than you attitude" that I can see.
3) I think all religious doctrines make an attempt to promote love and things associated with it. I would find it hard to create a loving atmosphere by segrating the responsiblites of a religious instution based on gender. There is no segrating responsiblities. The only thing it that women cannot be priests. Women play an important role in the Church. We give birth to future Catholics, we help nurture children, we do so much.
4) men woman co-exist in nature and in the Church.....in all species there is conflict and cooporation. Biologically, for non asexual spieces, which is the majority of them including humans, the co-existance of both species is paramount for propogation of that species. Creating a dogma that goes against that fundamental law of nature..If nature is a manifestation of God I can see no point against going against its natural laws. Nothing is going against God's natural laws. God calls men to be priests, He calls women to be nuns. Both are important. Both are respected.
Sure you are.I am not at all descriminated because I cannot be a priest.