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Should patriotic songs be taught in public schools?

Should patriotic songs be taught in public schools?

  • No

    Votes: 7 29.2%
  • Yes

    Votes: 17 70.8%

  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .

ChrisP

Veteran Member
The idea of this tiny little planet being divided into "nations" is ridiculous. These nations are representations of race/culture in most cases. How does this help developing 1 consciousness?
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
No but everytime I think of it, it reminds me of farm girls chewing tobacco ;)... you do that don't you?
 

Flappycat

Well-Known Member
Cloth worship. *Spits* I can't think of a more certain way to assure that we'll live under a totalitarian dictatorship within our lifetimes.
 

Ardent Listener

Active Member
Buttons* said:
oh ha, ha, very funny... the guy who wrote it wasnt even from Texas :p

Sorry, it was not meant as a slam towards Texans.:sorry1: I just thought "Home on the Range" was a little cute. A true Texan patriotic song would be more like "Remember the Alamo". I was always an Alamo fan as a kid.:D
 

Buttons*

Glass half Panda'd
Ardent Listener said:
Sorry, it was not meant as a slam towards Texans.:sorry1: I just thought "Home on the Range" was a little cute. A true Texan patriotic song would be more like "Remember the Alamo". I was always an Alamo fan as a kid.:D
tee hee, no slam to me :D

It's kinda sweet. :D
 

CaptainXeroid

Following Christ
I voted a most emphatic "YES!!":jiggy: Patriotic songs remind us our history the sacrifices of those who came before us. I think the fact that so many of those songs refer to God reminds us how important faith has been to people in America, Canada, Mexico, Great Britain, and many other countries.

Francis Scott Key wrote America's National Anthem in 1814, and it included this line "And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust'":)
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
I normally could care less about songs children learn in school. Our culture is open enough, I assume, to expose children to a wider variety of "traditions" in this country. I would feel better if the schools stopped its patriotic teaching platform and started teaching something ... worthwhile. I mean, is it that hard for parents who like patriotic songs to teach it themselves.

I agree with PureX's comment about the young adults in our society with regards to voter apathy, historical knowledge and the general waste of time much of our education system has become. A good start would be if the state of Texas dropped its standardization for textbooks in its state thus becoming less of an influence on which High School texts are widely available for distribution. Of course, the texts themselves are generally bland and lack any sense of teaching critical thinking.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Lets teach the kids about our fair and sweet heritage, our stark and defiant stance against adversity, our nation's unwillingness to bend to fear and hatred and on and on and on and on....

I'm a UK national. Most of you are Americans. There are a couple of Aussies and a few others I am too ignorant to note (sorry Canada). Point is NO! Don't teach kids songs that comemorate our fine nations. We all stink of genocide, rape, and theft. Slave trading, and colonialism.

How can we truly be at one with our international siblings when we celebrate our histories of wading through the blood of their ancestors?

God Save The Queen? The Queen can go to hell, where hopefully she and her predecessors will pay for the deaths and sufferings of millions of Indians, and Irish, and South African among others.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
CaptainXeroid said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_anthemsFrancis Scott Key wrote America's National Anthem in 1814, and it included this line "And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust'":)
The national anthem which just happened to have the same tune as "To Anacreon in Heaven", which just happened to be a drinking song.

While, snug in their clubroom,

They jovially twine

The Myrtle of Venus

With Bacchus's Vine.

As long as we're all so stuck up on origins, I suppose we should teach that song to our kids as well!
 

CaptainXeroid

Following Christ
Jaiket said:
Lets teach the kids about our fair and sweet heritage, our stark and defiant stance against adversity, our nation's unwillingness to bend to fear and hatred and on and on and on and on....
I do wish you had stopped here. I thought you actually understood the point of patriotic songs....then I read the rest of your post. I guess I just don't understand your bitterness and self-loathing.:ignore: No one is saying any nation is perfect, just that some of us have a more positive outlook on life that we choose to honor our heros.
Jensa said:
...As long as we're all so stuck up on origins, I suppose we should teach that song to our kids as well!
While that is an interesting song, it's not patriotic, so I would say it doesn't need to be taught in schools, and considering that more schools teach "The Spar Spangled Banner" than your drinking song, most educators seems to agree with me.:D

If you study music some time, you'll realize that many tunes are inspired by other tunes. Just because a tune may have a humble origin, that does not make the anthem less meaningful. The tune to the German Naitional Anthem comes from the hymn "Glorious Things of Thee Are Spoken". Even if you're not German, that anthem is a rousing tune especially when accompanied with drums. The MIDI at Cyber Hymnal doesn't do it justice.:)
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
CaptainXeroid said:
While that is an interesting song, it's not patriotic
We definately learn songs other than just patriotic ones in school.

And how can you say it's not patriotic when it provided the tune for our national anthem?

Then again, I suspect most teachers don't teach it simply because now it's embarassing to think the tune of our national anthem came from a popular drinking song of the time. Same reason they don't teach Washington lost most of his battles, I suppose.
 

zorro307

Member
cyberhymnal.org/htm/b/h/bhymnotr.htm

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His truth is marching on
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
zorro307 said:
cyberhymnal.org/htm/b/h/bhymnotr.htm

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His truth is marching on

Ah, one of my personal favorites!

I love the Mormon Tabernacle Choir version. My understanding is they saved this hymn from obscurity.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
I clicked no because there would be some nationalist nut who would try to make other nations look pointless/weak/evil.
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
Jaiket said:
I'm a UK national. Most of you are Americans. There are a couple of Aussies and a few others I am too ignorant to note (sorry Canada).
NZ's always getting left out... :cries:

Agree with the rest of your post though. It's the ol' stronger together theory. Patriotism creates seperatism among nations, which in terms of globally unification is a BAD THING!
 

c0da

Active Member
Patriotism creates seperatism among nations, which in terms of globally unification is a BAD THING!

There should be an International anthem then. I nominate Hotel California! great song!!
 

evearael

Well-Known Member
Global unification... governments can't run their tiny bits of land effectively. How on earth would we find away to deal with so many people, across so many cultures, across so many circumstances fairly?

Teaching our children about the culture they are apart of is our duty as parents, as well as about other cultures. They should be taught that all people are entitled to respect and dignity. Yes, the anthem is supposed to stir patriotic feelings, but that won't stop someone from sending money to Heifer to help communities in developing countries build a better life for themselves. Just because you embrace patriotism, doesn't mean you shut out the world.

Furthermore, I would hazard a guess that the reason some of you are offended by patriotic songs has more to do with how short we fall from the ideals this country was built on, than just percieved separatism. Patriotic songs should be taught in concert with those ideals so that maybe the next generation of children can be proactive in bringing us back to them.
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
Corporations seem to manage fine. Culture is a result of people, and that won't be lost unless the people CHOOSE to lose it.
 
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