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A question for people of all religions

Sabour

Well-Known Member
My question for people of all different religions is mostly about Satan, and why their God will not take responsibility for his existance.

First, I would like to say that the answer you will be reading is coming from a muslim.

If you consider for a moment with an open mind, you will see that to accept a devil who operates outside the will of God is to accept a God who isn't omnipotent. Obviously, this can't be. Nothing happens except through the will of God.

Devil does not operate outside the will of God. Rather, Satan is God's creation that like us have a free will.

First off, let us talk about the Jinn. Jinn are God's creation which we can't see. (like Angels we can't see) These Jinn also have free will and they choose to obey or not to obey. Those who choose not to obey are what we refer to as devils. They made the purpose of their life whispering evil things to humans. If I want to mention the reasons for that, I will have to quote the Quraan even though you said you prefer not to quote.
chapter 38

71 [So mention] when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay.
72 So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration."
73 So the angels prostrated - all of them entirely.
74 Except Iblees; he was arrogant and became among the disbelievers.
75 [ Allah ] said, "O Iblees, what prevented you from prostrating to that which I created with My hands? Were you arrogant [then], or were you [already] among the haughty?"
76 He said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
77[ Allah ] said, "Then get out of Paradise, for indeed, you are expelled.
78 And indeed, upon you is My curse until the Day of Recompense."
79 He said, "My Lord, then reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected."
80 [ Allah ] said, "So indeed, you are of those reprieved
81 Until the Day of the time well-known."
82 [Iblees] said, "By your might, I will surely mislead them all
83 Except, among them, Your chosen servants."

We can learn from these verses that it was racism that lead Ibliss to disobey God. Ibliss said I am better than him, you created me from fire and created him from clay. It is like someone in these days says he is black and I am white.

We also can learn that Ibliss made it his mission to whisper in humans minds so that they would go to hell with him.

This is not a weird concept. We can see people who choose to obey or not to obey. We can see people walking around killing people as they want to. These people are simply people who chose not to obey. Are these people operating outside the will of God?

I have had answers previously about free will, but that is not my question.
God created all. Everything is in existence because God willed it. Including evil.
Some religions say that Satan created evil, but God created Satan, and for evil to be about, God must have known evil or it would not be here.

Evil is just part of life and hardships are also part of life. They are part of the test we are going through.


And if God knew of evil before creating this world, then is it not evil itself to create a world where he does not have to reside yet allows us, his creation, to live with it and deal with it as some kind of test to 'prove ourselves'.

As I said evil is part of life and part of the test. Allah has given us the way to fight this evil and promised us the rewards. Allah doesn't just ask us to follow his commandments, but He also shows us how we can do this and how we can fight our instincts and the devil's whispering.


How could christ suffer? suffer? Only the weak suffer.

One of the highest rewards a person can get is through patience. Patience is a key to heaven. The more patience you have the more and more you will be rewarded in heaven. This is why we see that prophets were the ones who suffered the most including Jesus peace be upon him. He faced many difficulties.

Suffering for many people and for those who have belief is a normal thing, and sometimes it is a welcomed thing because they know that they will be rewarded. Like a muslim believer when he faces the news that his mom/dad/brother/sister died he say to Allah we belong and to Him we shall return. Other non believers go mad saying oh God whay this happens to me why that and so on ......

So suffering is not really suffering for a believer.



Also I would like to know..All religions claim to be the true one, forsaking all other religions, even those with similar beliefs.

I can't think of two more similar beliefs than Islam and Christianity yet there are major fundamental differences. We believe that Jesus peace be upon him was a prophet.

Of course Islam and Christianity can't both be right in that aspect.

As muslims we are not told to fight other religions unless fighting means debating or having a discussion. There is no compulsion in religion. We are ordered in the Quraan to tell about the truth and have discussions if discussion will lead to something better. A constructive discussion and not a destructive one.

Finally I hope you watch these two videos when you have time

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The Creation of Adam & the Story of the Devil - Yusuf Estes - Beauties of Islam - Episode 9 - YouTube

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The Beauty Of Islam, Why Bad Things Happen - Sh Yusuf Estes - YouTube


I tried to be clear as possible. I hope I answered the questions.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
The anti-abortion protestors are back at my local hospital. Judging by the wording of their signs, I'm pretty sure they're not secular humanists. You might not share the views the OP describes, but they're definitely part of the mainstream religious spectrum.

Fine, but the OP was trying to understand things and how it relates to her own beliefs. I was just pointing out the spectrum of beliefs out there. It sounded to me like she was making the point that for her to become religious she would have to be anti-this and anti-that. I was pointing out this was a mistaken view.
 
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