Flat Earth Kyle
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Was there ever a time when God existed as a singular being surrounded by absolute nothingness?
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Was God ever in absolute nothingness?
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FunctionalAtheist
Hammer of Reason
Odd answer based on the supposition. If nothing can exist outside of the eternal infinite, then wouldn't the answer to the question be YES, even now god exists as a singular being surrounded by absolute nothingness?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No. God isn't a being; God is Being. Since God isn't positional -- that is, does not exist particular to place, God does not occupy a space. If God were in a space, then that space would not contain nothing -- it would contain everything.
God did not create ex nihilo. That's not how the big bang worked. The big bang was everything crammed into an almost infinitesimally small space.
God did not create ex nihilo. That's not how the big bang worked. The big bang was everything crammed into an almost infinitesimally small space.
Good response.
Some people believe that the "Big Bang" really happened, given that::
As to right before the 'bang', where was God?
There was only 'nothingness' and the 'singularity'.
Question should be:
Was God in the singularity or out in the 'void' of nothingness.
What could 'contain' the entirety of 'nothingness', one must think that God was inside the singularity ?
So, in that thinking, God could have caused the inflation of the Cosmos to start.
That makes sense if one believes in God, but.....where'd the 'void' of nothingness come from,
and how far is it to infinity ?
What came first.....stars or earth or water ?
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'mud
As to right before the 'bang', where was God?
There was only 'nothingness' and the 'singularity'.
Question should be:
Was God in the singularity or out in the 'void' of nothingness.
What could 'contain' the entirety of 'nothingness', one must think that God was inside the singularity ?
So, in that thinking, God could have caused the inflation of the Cosmos to start.
That makes sense if one believes in God, but.....where'd the 'void' of nothingness come from,
and how far is it to infinity ?
What came first.....stars or earth or water ?
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and on and on..........
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'mud
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Interesting. If we are talking about a Thinking & Creator God, then I think it is very possible He could have been in nothingness, of His own creation.
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Levite
Higher and Higher
I tend to believe along the lines taught by Rabbi Isaac Luria: that prior to Creation, only God existed, and there was room for nothing else to exist, not even nothingness. In order to make Creation possible, God had to contract Himself, in order to form an empty space wherein His essence was extremely thin, making a medium in which a material universe could exist.
Amechania
Daimona of the Helpless
Thus reminds me of the question "what is it expanding into?" The obvious answer is "nothing" but nothing is so outside of our experience we can hardly intuit it. It isn't even an it. My intuition is that the in the midst of the endless nothing resides the author of everything.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Or 'absolute nothingness' is what we erroneously term as God?
What the.....you mean there are theists out there that actually thought about this stuff and make sense too. Well thanks for the reference.
As someone said, God is existence. What we see is a manifestation of God, even the source of the Big Bang, whatever it was. Nothing and non-existence can't exist. As soon as you ascribe a quality or description to it, it becomes something. If nothing or non-existence is conceived of as a black (or purple or chartreuse or white) void, it is now something. Nothing could never not exist, because we think it into existence. Wow, that was trippy! :thud:
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Not sure. However, there was a time when god existed as absolute nothingness - before the human mind conceived him.
I'd think the existence of something forces areas where nothing exists as well. No matter how infinite God was, it wouldn't be it's own thing - therefore not god - without something to set it apart from.
It's easier to believe in God then it is to believe is absolute nothingness.
Still it is hard to fathom that God is not contained by something.
What does God perceive? If God perceives a sky does that mean God is contained by sky?
What do you perceive and what are you contained by?
Flat Earth Kyle
Well-Known Member
God isn't a being, God is being???
Which God are you referring to?
I understand we can make a blanket statement of the divine supreme being of the universe, however I find other describing facts useful.
There was a reason why the Old Testament referred to the the God of Israel as the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, those describers clarify the list of sources as to where you draw your information.
If it is the God of the Old and New Testament that you are referring to, what references do you draw upon to support your claim that God is not a being?
I haven't found any, but have found many that say the opposite.
Which God are you referring to?
I understand we can make a blanket statement of the divine supreme being of the universe, however I find other describing facts useful.
There was a reason why the Old Testament referred to the the God of Israel as the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, those describers clarify the list of sources as to where you draw your information.
If it is the God of the Old and New Testament that you are referring to, what references do you draw upon to support your claim that God is not a being?
I haven't found any, but have found many that say the opposite.
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