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Fictional Pantheons

The Hammer

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Premium Member
So, I have thought about this for a while, but a brief mention in a post by Quintessence made me want to ask about it from the forum. Was going to post this in the Pagan DIR, but decided it was a better fit here.

My question is this:
Does anyone know of someone who actually worships a fictional pantheon? Be it that they know it is fictional but worship it anyways, or that they think the fictional pantheon is real.

Take for example Daedra worship from the Elder Scrolls video game Universe.

I am curious because it's almost seems like video games (movies, tv shows, and books fall under this as well) are the modern myths of our society. So in reality someone could realistically connect on a very strong level to the deities/characters of a fictional universe, so why not use them in ritual and honor them? Anyone else have thoughts on the utilization of persona's from fiction?
 

The Hammer

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Premium Member
I wouldn't claim I worship any of them, however.

I don't know anything about the GoT pantheons at all. And I don't worship the Daedra to the TES universe either, only wanted to use them as an example that I readily understand. Would you think that someone who did worship fictional pantheon was more or less 'correct' (can't think of a better word) than someone worshipping say the Celtic pantheon?
 

Viker

Häxan
I don't know anything about the GoT pantheons at all. And I don't worship the Daedra to the TES universe either, only wanted to use them as an example that I readily understand. Would you think that someone who did worship fictional pantheon was more or less 'correct' (can't think of a better word) than someone worshipping say the Celtic pantheon?
Not sure "correct" would be applicable. I don't see any harm in doing so. Some more information, Religion - A Wiki of Ice and Fire
 

The Hammer

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Premium Member
Not sure "correct" would be applicable. I don't see any harm in doing so. Some more information, Religion - A Wiki of Ice and Fire

it's not, it was just what I could think of at the time. I think credibility would be a better fit, that was the sense I was getting at.

I kind of like some of the symbolism noted on that wiki you linked too. The Drowned God is a neat (albeit barbaric) perspective, and the Old Gods are something I could get myself behind.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
One example that immediately comes to mind is the fact that a lot of people worship the entities from H.P. Lovecraft's work, i.e., Cthulhu and those beings, believing that they're real.

Despite the fact that Lovecraft himself has gone on record several times that they're entirely fictitious; he himself was a staunch materialistic atheist.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I do not, strictly speaking, honor any "fictional" pantheons because I don't do pantheons. I am, however, the sort that doesn't discriminate when it comes to working with the otherworlds. I put fiction in quotes there for a reason; I regard all things as real. That which my culture calls "fictional" I regard as some aspect of the otherworlds that I can relate to and experience in ways that are as meaningful as those I have in this-world. I can and do develop relations with "fictional" places and denizens, and I include modern mythology as well as original/personal mythology in this mix. Where others treat imagination (aka, journeying) as a plaything unworthy of serious consideration, I treat it with religious reverence as a way of experiencing and knowing.
 

The Hammer

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Premium Member
One example that immediately comes to mind is the fact that a lot of people worship the entities from H.P. Lovecraft's work, i.e., Cthulhu and those beings, believing that they're real.

Despite the fact that Lovecraft himself has gone on record several times that they're entirely fictitious; he himself was a staunch materialistic atheist.

Definitely, it was one of the other fictional universes that came to mind for me too, H.P. Lovecraft had some interesting stories around the Cthulu mythos.

I do not, strictly speaking, honor any "fictional" pantheons because I don't do pantheons. I am, however, the sort that doesn't discriminate when it comes to working with the otherworlds. I put fiction in quotes there for a reason; I regard all things as real. That which my culture calls "fictional" I regard as some aspect of the otherworlds that I can relate to and experience in ways that are as meaningful as those I have in this-world. I can and do develop relations with "fictional" places and denizens, and I include modern mythology as well as original/personal mythology in this mix. Where others treat imagination (aka, journeying) as a plaything unworthy of serious consideration, I treat it with religious reverence as a way of experiencing and knowing.

I agree, our imagination is as real as anything else. Imagery and symbolism are an important part of ritual, so the utilization of characters from fiction can be a way to add some more depth to a ritual, especially if it is something one connects strongly to. My thing is I have a hard time relating to myths of the past, but I can relate to current stories as if they were myths themselves (given the proper storyelling elements of course). I am a video game nerd so I consider things like RPG (non-table top) to be akin to a playable interactive myths.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I do kind of want to shed light on a fictional universe that has had a major impact on what I believe. Warning: kind of long, as there's a lot to cover.

Take Dungeons and Dragons. Not the new one, mind, but old school: specifically, Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, 2nd Edition Revised. That game had a very interesting setting that nobody really played except in a well-known CRPG. That setting was Planescape. (The CRPG was Planescape: Torment, one of the single most well-beloved games ever... and I've never played past the first hour :eek:.)

The theology of Planescape is simply fascinating. Anyone who's played Torment probably already knows a lot of this, but to summarize it somewhat briefly, all material universes (which include all other D&D campaign settings, our own real world, and presumably all other worlds, fictional or otherwise) exist in something called the Prime Material Plane. There's two other main Planes of existence: the Inner (or Elemental) Planes, and the Outer (or Divine/Spiritual/Alignment) Planes. These are connected by "pathway" Planes: Astral and Ethereal, with a hypothetical (i.e., non-canonical but setting-rules consistent) third one whose name I can't remember. (It's hypothesized to exist because of something in the setting rules called the Rule of Three: see two things, ask for the third, because all things come in Threes).

The Inner Planes are the "stuff" from which the Prime Material Planes are made of, consisting of the familiar Earth, Fire, Water, and Air, along with two others: Positive and Negative. But we're not here to talk about that, we're here to talk about the Outer Planes.

In D&D, the Outer Planes are described as being a large disc (sometimes called "The Wheel)... except that its exact size and shape can vary wildly based on the whims of the people who live there, and that of people on the other Planes. I have something for me right there: the Otherworld (i.e., the World of Gods, Elves, the Dead, etc.) is not constant like our own, except in the sense that it's in constant flux, based on our conceptions of it. The Outer Planes are also divided up based on the Alignments from D&D.

Starting a new paragraph to catch people up on that simple-and-complex topic, Alignments are an aspect of D&D that's generally hated but can have its uses. It involves picking a character's general moral and ethical stance. There are 9 Alignments on a 3x3 grid: Lawful-Chaos and Good-Evil, with Neutral being used for the middle. (So, Lawful Good, Neutral Good, Chaotic Good, Lawful Neutral, True Neutral, Chaotic Neutral, Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil, The Joker.) These are hardly set-rules, but are themselves capable of huge variation and mutual leaning. So a character can be Neutral Good but does have an ever-so-slight tendency to lawful actions, or a Lawful Evil character having a staunch rule against killing babies.

So, back to the Outer Planes. They're divided into four general "categories" based on a loose "geography": the Upper Planes are Good, the Lower Planes are Evil, the Left Planes are Law, and the Right Planes are Chaos. The Gods are beings that basically "rule" the various areas that make up each Plane.

In the center of The Wheel that is the Outer Planes is called the Outlands, Plane of True Neutrality. In the center of the Outlands is an infinitely tall spire. At the top of the infinite spire (yes, at the top of the INFINITE spire) is Sigil, the city that is the central "hub" of the Outer Planes, and might be the Center of the Whole Multiverse (or not, depending on your thinking). It's the City of Doors. Anyone in Sigil can go anywhere in the entire Mutliverse from the countless Doors in this city (whether deliberately or by accident). Naturally, all Gods, Good and Evil, Lawful and Chaotic, want to control this city. Control this city, and you control the whole Multiverse. But they can't get in. Gods and their armies have tried many, many times to get into Sigil, but no matter what they do, they can't get in.

Because the Lady of Pain won't let them in.

And that's the single, most important rule in the entire Mutliverse: the one "thou shalt not" that even the Gods have to follow, and best summarized by internet content creator The Spoony One: "Thou shalt not **** with the Lady of Pain". (Some of you might remember that that was my signature for a while).

Now, I don't take this cosmology to heart, but then again, neither do I take the cosmology presented in Edda Lore to heart, either. As a gamer, and a huge fan of fantasy settings, there's a lot I can take from this and apply it to my own practices. I do tend to think of things in terms of the Rule of Three, and as a pluralist-polytheist, I believe very much in the existence of all Gods and pantheons. I also believe that they don't often get along, even within the same pantheon. The cosmology of Planescape is just one more way to help contextualize the Otherworld to build stories around.

So that's one example of how a fictional creation can still be inspiring to us.
 

Monk Of Reason

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
So, I have thought about this for a while, but a brief mention in a post by Quintessence made me want to ask about it from the forum. Was going to post this in the Pagan DIR, but decided it was a better fit here.

My question is this:
Does anyone know of someone who actually worships a fictional pantheon? Be it that they know it is fictional but worship it anyways, or that they think the fictional pantheon is real.

Take for example Daedra worship from the Elder Scrolls video game Universe.

I am curious because it's almost seems like video games (movies, tv shows, and books fall under this as well) are the modern myths of our society. So in reality someone could realistically connect on a very strong level to the deities/characters of a fictional universe, so why not use them in ritual and honor them? Anyone else have thoughts on the utilization of persona's from fiction?
Some friends of mine (all atheists and sacrilege incarnate during our late teen years) decided to worship the D&D pantheon for a while. It was for the lulz and whatnot so it wasn't actually seriously worshiping but that is the closest thing I can think of.
 

Viker

Häxan
Some friends of mine (all atheists and sacrilege incarnate during our late teen years) decided to worship the D&D pantheon for a while. It was for the lulz and whatnot so it wasn't actually seriously worshiping but that is the closest thing I can think of.
I got drunk one night, almost had the chaos symbol tattooed on me. The tattoo artist got to drunk.
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
Playing with the Gods of Lovecraft's works has been fun.

The quintessential example of worshiping obvious fiction would be Alan Moore and his puppet god Glycon.
 

niceguy

Active Member
Yeah but Jedi don't have a pantheon. At best they're an amalgam of Buddhism and Tao. And if they did have a pantheon, in-universe they're all dead.

Indeed but they they are a good example of a fictional faith that are designed well enough to attract people for real. The Buddhism and Tao influences are how you make a fictional faith well designed, take something that already works and repac it. There is a reason TvTropes have the concept "Crystal Dragon Jesus" for when a fictional religion are very similar to a real one. Hey if the Romans could file the serial numbers of the entire
Greek pantheon and rename them so why not do the same in a fictional setting.

The AD&D universe have some of it's deities migrated from our world. The Norse deity Tyr is a good example of this. However I am of the opinion that one should be humble and make sure to be respectful when doing this and avoid doing this at all when in need of an evil deity in a fictional setting. I did find the Stargate verse jarring in this respect and had to keep in mind that those aliens pretended to be deities already worshiped by people but it wasn't clear enough in the series. They really should have added devoted followers that hated the aliens for trying to pretend to be their gods. Unfortunately I didn't see this.
 
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