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Can we prove Christ never married ???

FFH

Veteran Member
Was Jesus an actual Rabbi, or was their such a term used to describe a teacher, or minister, in a synagogue, in those days, or were they just using that term, "Rabbi", which means Master, to describe who Jesus was ???

Obviously Jesus wasn't a full time minister in any one synagogue, for he traveled from place to place, so then why did people call him Rabbi ??? Was it because he frequently taught in the synagogues, or because he was Master ?.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
FFH said:
Was Jesus an actual Rabbi, or was their such a term used to describe a teacher, or minister, in a synagogue, in those days, or were they just using that term, "Rabbi", which means Master, to describe who Jesus was ???

Obviously Jesus wasn't a full time minister in any one synagogue, for he traveled from place to place, so then why did people call him Rabbi ??? Was it because he frequently taught in the synagogues, or because they were calling him Master ?.

What are you getting at? You are the one who brought up that He was a teacher and you claimed that He couldn't teach if He was married, but obviously we have found something to contradict that.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
FFH said:
Can we prove, using a passage of scripture in the Old or New Testament, that Christ was never married or would never marry, while on earth?.

Is there a prophecy in the Old Testament that proves that Christ would never marry, or is there a scripture in the New Testament that would leave us with no doubt that Christ never married ???

Not that I know of, but then absence of proof does not negate a proposition.

otoh, it may be of some interest to Christians (and others) to note that Islamic texts refer to Christ as "He Who Never Married."

If you accept Muhammad as a prophet, it saves a lot of time musing about the entire question. :)
 

FFH

Veteran Member
beckysoup61 said:
What are you getting at? You are the one who brought up that He was a teacher and you claimed that He couldn't teach if He was married, but obviously we have found something to contradict that.
I am looking at all possibilities. One thing we know for sure is that Jesus read scriptures and expounded upon them in a Jewish synagogue. What I want to know is if being unmarried was a requirement for reading scriptures and then expounding upon them, in a synagogue, in those days.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
If we can find out the answer to this question, herein lies the answer as to whether Christ ever wedded.
 

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
Booko said:
otoh, it may be of some interest to Christians (and others) to note that Islamic texts refer to Christ as "He Who Never Married."

I'd like to read more about this, but can't find anything like it with a google search.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
FFH said:
This has nothing to do with my faith, and has everything to do with disproving a false theory, that Christ married, while he was on earth.

Then you must to look to Christian tradition.

For a good explanation on the importance of tradition in religion, I'd recommend speaking to someone Jewish, or a Christian who is Orthodox or Roman Catholic.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Booko said:
it may be of some interest to Christians (and others) to note that Islamic texts refer to Christ as "He Who Never Married."
Interesting, thanks for sharing that.
 

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
There is no passage in the King James Version where Jesus talks about celibacy, or staying single. In order to be a Rabbi, you had to be married. And why would he describe the church as being the bride and him as being the bridegroom, if he had not experienced this kind of love himself. Jesus taught only of love and forgiveness, I just find it hard to believe that he would practice what he preached about everything except 'leave your mother and father and cleave to your wife.'
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
EnhancedSpirit said:
I'd like to read more about this, but can't find anything like it with a google search.

I wouldn't expect so. I think you'd have to look for Hadith, and then it gets translated just a little differently depending.

If I can run across the ref, I'll put it here.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
FFH said:
Was Jesus an actual Rabbi, or was their such a term used to describe a teacher, or minister, in a synagogue, in those days, or were they just using that term, "Rabbi", which means Master, to describe who Jesus was ???

Obviously Jesus wasn't a full time minister in any one synagogue, for he traveled from place to place, so then why did people call him Rabbi ??? Was it because he frequently taught in the synagogues, or because he was Master ?.
That was some quick back peddling.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Was Jesus Married? [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]All the available evidence points to an answer of "no."[/FONT]
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[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]By Darrell L. Bock[/FONT]

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It is often suggested that because Jesus was a teacher and functioned like a rabbi that he would have been married as well, since that was the Jewish custom.

Sometimes it is noted that the apostles called him 'rabbi' (Mark 11:21). However, two factors make this argument weak. First, Jesus was not technically a rabbi, nor did he portray himself as one. The apostles addressed him as such to say he was their teacher, not because he held any kind of official Jewish office. The Jews asked Jesus 'by what authority' he did certain things because he did not hold any kind of formal office within Judaism. He did not have an official position that would have permitted him to do things like act within the temple (Mark 11:28). As far as the Jewish leaders were concerned, Jesus had no recognized role within Judaism. Read another view on whether Jesus acted as a rabbi.

Second, the example of the call to be 'eunuchs for the kingdom' appears, in part, to be rooted in Jesus' own commitment and example not to be married (Matthew 19:10-12). In fact, the rationale for the Roman church's later view that priests should not be married partially stems from the view that Jesus was not married.


So if we ask what the hard evidence is that Jesus was married, there really is a very short answer. There is none.

So why remain single? What advantage is there to this? In 1 Corinthians 7, Paul elaborated on Jesus' theme about 'eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom.' Paul expressed his preference that people remain single. Paul explained that the present time of distress, by which he meant the difficulty of life until Jesus returns, made being single better when it came to serving the kingdom. The married person must worry about the affairs of earth: how to care for his wife and, by implication, his family. The unmarried person can serve the Lord without such distraction (1 Cor. 7:27-35).

Nevertheless, Paul also made it clear this was a choice, not a command: "But if you marry, you do not sin." (7:28). Paul himself chose to remain single, probably for the very reasons he suggests in 1 Corinthians 7. He understood, as Jesus did, that others were not called to be single (1 Cor 7:1-7).

Traditions encouraging a dedicated single life also existed elsewhere in Judaism. Members of the ascetic Jewish sect of the Essenes were known for their emphasis on celibacy (Josephus, Antiquities 18.1.5.21; Jewish War 2.8.2.121-122; Philo, Hypothetica 11.14-18). At Qumran, most appear to have been celibate, although a Dead Sea Scroll about the community suggests some possibility (1QSa 1:4-10) of marriage, woman, and children in the messianic times. For those Essenes at Qumran, the point of remaining single was also dedication to God. So Jesus was single. His marital status was one dimension of his dedication to God. At least, that is how many Jews would have understood it. As Jesus faced rejection, it was of benefit that he did not have a wife or children. These are likely some of the concerns Paul alluded to in speaking of "worry for earthly things." Jesus had a singular focus on preaching the kingdom of God, and his choice to be single underscored that calling.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
FFH said:
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Was Jesus Married? [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]All the available evidence points to an answer of "no."[/FONT]
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[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]By Darrell L. Bock[/FONT]

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It is often suggested that because Jesus was a teacher and functioned like a rabbi that he would have been married as well, since that was the Jewish custom.

Sometimes it is noted that the apostles called him 'rabbi' (Mark 11:21). However, two factors make this argument weak. First, Jesus was not technically a rabbi, nor did he portray himself as one. The apostles addressed him as such to say he was their teacher, not because he held any kind of official Jewish office. The Jews asked Jesus 'by what authority' he did certain things because he did not hold any kind of formal office within Judaism. He did not have an official position that would have permitted him to do things like act within the temple (Mark 11:28). As far as the Jewish leaders were concerned, Jesus had no recognized role within Judaism. Read another view on whether Jesus acted as a rabbi.


Second, the example of the call to be 'eunuchs for the kingdom' appears, in part, to be rooted in Jesus' own commitment and example not to be married (Matthew 19:10-12). In fact, the rationale for the Roman church's later view that priests should not be married partially stems from the view that Jesus was not married.


So if we ask what the hard evidence is that Jesus was married, there really is a very short answer. There is none.

So why remain single? What advantage is there to this? In 1 Corinthians 7, Paul elaborated on Jesus' theme about 'eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom.' Paul expressed his preference that people remain single. Paul explained that the present time of distress, by which he meant the difficulty of life until Jesus returns, made being single better when it came to serving the kingdom. The married person must worry about the affairs of earth: how to care for his wife and, by implication, his family. The unmarried person can serve the Lord without such distraction (1 Cor. 7:27-35).

Nevertheless, Paul also made it clear this was a choice, not a command: "But if you marry, you do not sin." (7:28). Paul himself chose to remain single, probably for the very reasons he suggests in 1 Corinthians 7. He understood, as Jesus did, that others were not called to be single (1 Cor 7:1-7).

Traditions encouraging a dedicated single life also existed elsewhere in Judaism. Members of the ascetic Jewish sect of the Essenes were known for their emphasis on celibacy (Josephus, Antiquities 18.1.5.21; Jewish War 2.8.2.121-122; Philo, Hypothetica 11.14-18). At Qumran, most appear to have been celibate, although a Dead Sea Scroll about the community suggests some possibility (1QSa 1:4-10) of marriage, woman, and children in the messianic times. For those Essenes at Qumran, the point of remaining single was also dedication to God. So Jesus was single. His marital status was one dimension of his dedication to God. At least, that is how many Jews would have understood it. As Jesus faced rejection, it was of benefit that he did not have a wife or children. These are likely some of the concerns Paul alluded to in speaking of "worry for earthly things." Jesus had a singular focus on preaching the kingdom of God, and his choice to be single underscored that calling.

What is your source for this? From who? Website possibly? BTW, Paul taught the Eunuchs thing and not Jesus. There are many things that Paul said that we can't take to mean for today, I'll explain later if I rmemeber, but right now I'm sort of busy.
 

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Matt19:10 His disciples said to Him, "If the relationship of a man with his wife is like this, it's better not to marry!" [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]19:11 But He told them, "Not everyone can accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb, there are eunuchs who were made by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves that way because of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can." [/FONT]reads like this in another bible
10 Jesus' disciples objected, "If those are the terms of marriage, we're stuck. Why get married?" 11 But Jesus said, "Not everyone is mature enough to live a married life. It requires a certain aptitude and grace. Marriage isn't for everyone. 12 Some, from birth seemingly, never give marriage a thought. Others never get asked - or accepted. And some decide not to get married for kingdom reasons. But if you're capable of growing into the largeness of marriage, do it."

The beginning of this chapter starts like this;
Matt 19:3 Some Pharisees approached Him to test Him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife on any grounds?" 4 "Haven't you read," He replied, "that He who created them in the beginning made them male and female, 5 and He also said: For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two will become one flesh?

In fact, all of the verses that are used for this arguement seem to be taken out of text. You should go and read all the references to the bible that are in this paper you've produced. But instead of just reading the verses referenced, read the whole chapter around it.
 

Quoth The Raven

Half Arsed Muse
Sandy Whitelinger said:
If the church is the bridegroom of Christ how is it not adultery for Him to have been married to someone else while on earth?
I would think the fact she's been dead for a couple of thousand years would make him a widower...:areyoucra How the hell do you commit adultery against an institution?!
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Just as LDS missionaries are required to put off marriage until after they have served their full time missions, so was Jesus required to put off getting married until he had finished the work that the Father sent him to do.

Jesus served the ultimate full time mission; healing, casting out devils, blessing, teaching, and finally, being the ultimate sacrifice for our sins, our diseases, and our shame.
 

frank

New Member
I'm not a theologan or religious scholar of any sort, but the mere question of whether Jesus was married, it seems to me, points to a much deeper issue--that we don't really have much, if any, certain knowledge about Jesus. After all, if Jesus had a wife I think that would have been fairly well known-something of common knowledge.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
The belief that Jesus Christ was married, has never been accepted as doctrine, by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day-Saints.
 
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