Is the 'church' the antichrist?

savagewind · Sep 6, 2014

When you stand before The Judge on judgement day and say "I obeyed the Bible the best way I knew how" The Judge might say "the what?" But...."I even helped slaughter those that wouldn't!" "Some of the prophets who tried to tell me the Bible is not for obeying I called the devil". "Please understand my motives were GOOD and it was YOU who gave us it"

Nada · Sep 6, 2014

Shuttlecraft said:
Ha ha yes, Christian Antichrists sounds Pythonesque, but they really are everywhere, they're satanic plants working to sabotage Christianity and to turn people off Jesus!
They fool a lot of people but they can't get under Jesus's radar..

Jesus said-"Not all who call me "Lord,Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)
Paul too was onto them-
"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light" (2 Cor 11:13/14)

Yes,they are closer than you think.All you have to do is look around you and there they are.Literally.

savagewind · Sep 6, 2014

Bible Student said:
Yes,they are closer than you think.All you have to do is look around you and there they are.Literally.

I am in great company! Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."

Matthew 10:25
It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household!

I should thank you but I am so tired.

Shuttlecraft · Sep 6, 2014

Yes, many so-called "christian antichrists" hate me with a passion because they know I can spot them a mile off and warn people about them..

For example one internet forum was run by them, and as soon as they knew I was onto them, this message came up the next time I tried to log in-
"Your account has been disabled,
Please do not make any attempt to participate further in any of our Communities"

And in a chat room a Reverend Eric Potts said to me "You disgust me"
Mind you, Potts wasn't a proper clergyman at all, he was just an "Assistant Methodist Minister" and my guess is he was the caretaker of their local meeting hall, and they bestowed that lofty title on him to keep him sweet in recognition of the good work he does slopping out their latrines..

And a Jehovah's Witness blew his top in another forum and ranted at me -"You're ignorant, a fable-spinner, talk drivel, a deceiver, a racist and self-deluded"
Must have been something I said..

savagewind · Sep 6, 2014

Shuttlecraft said:
Yes, many so-called "christian antichrists" hate me with a passion because they know I can spot them a mile off and warn people..
For example one internet forum was run by them, and as soon as they knew I was onto them, this message came up the next time I tried to log in-
"Your account has been disabled,
Please do not make any attempt to participate further in any of our Communities"

And in a chat room a Reverend Eric Potts said to me "You disgust me"

Mind you, Potts wasn't a proper clergyman at all, he was just an "Assistant Methodist Minister" and my guess is he was the caretaker of their local meeting hall, and they bestowed that lofty title on him to keep him sweet in recognition of the good work he does slopping out their latrines..

1 Peter 3:8-22

Nada · Sep 6, 2014

Shuttlecraft said:
Yes, many so-called "christian antichrists" hate me with a passion because they know I can spot them a mile off and warn people about them..
For example one internet forum was run by them, and as soon as they knew I was onto them, this message came up the next time I tried to log in-
"Your account has been disabled,
Please do not make any attempt to participate further in any of our Communities"

And in a chat room a Reverend Eric Potts said to me "You disgust me"
Mind you, Potts wasn't a proper clergyman at all, he was just an "Assistant Methodist Minister" and my guess is he was the caretaker of their local meeting hall, and they bestowed that lofty title on him to keep him sweet in recognition of the good work he does slopping out their latrines..

And a Jehovah's Witness blew his top in another forum and ranted at me -"You're ignorant, a fable-spinner, talk drivel, a deceiver, a racist and self-deluded"
Must have been something I said..

Wow! I wonder what you are telling all of these people that makes them so angry.
I do notice you tend to state things that are not actually in the holy scriptures as you did with that Pantheist about Mark 16:7,8. He was actually correct about you contradicting what was stated in that passage.It says the women told no one until they reached Peter and the disciples.You claimed they told everyone and the whole town probably knew in about 5 minutes.This is incorrect and goes against what we are told by Gods Word.

One must have an accurate knowledge of the truth when preaching or explaining it to others.
We must never go with our own understanding.

Another thing.There are many people who lose their cool.Sometimes they get caught up in the moment.Some are very passionate and cannot control themselves.Others are just plain angry and do not know what they are talking about, or how to explain themselves.

We must all,when speaking about the Word of God,try to be cool headed and also make sure were are speaking of what Gods Word claims and not what we think.

Some people are rowdy and speak badly.We must try not to fall into that snare.We can be firm but we must also be loving

We are all only human and can only try.We all make mistakes.

Ps.That Pantheist was also incorrect on pretty much everything.

Nada · Sep 6, 2014

She is a scary one.

gzusfrk · Sep 6, 2014

disciple said:
Is the 'church' (the institutions, the antichrist?

Not the real Church, for Jesus said, I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

Nada · Sep 6, 2014

gzusfrk said:
Not the real Church, for Jesus said, I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

Church is really referring to a congregation or assembly of Gods loyal followers.Not a literal building.Hell is not referring to a place of fire and torment.Jesus is referring to the grave,death.

gzusfrk · Sep 6, 2014

Bible Student said:
Church is really referring to a congregation or assembly of Gods loyal followers.Not a literal building.Hell is not referring to a place of fire and torment.Jesus is referring to the grave,death.

Then why did Jesus say tormented day and night forever and ever. Oh by the way, I am the Church

outhouse · Sep 6, 2014

Shuttlecraft said:
Yes, many so-called "christian antichrists" hate me with a passion because they know I can spot them a mile off and warn people about them..
For example one internet forum was run by them, and as soon as they knew I was onto them, this message came up the next time I tried to log in-
"Your account has been disabled,
Please do not make any attempt to participate further in any of our Communities"

And in a chat room a Reverend Eric Potts said to me "You disgust me"
Mind you, Potts wasn't a proper clergyman at all, he was just an "Assistant Methodist Minister" and my guess is he was the caretaker of their local meeting hall, and they bestowed that lofty title on him to keep him sweet in recognition of the good work he does slopping out their latrines..

And a Jehovah's Witness blew his top in another forum and ranted at me -"You're ignorant, a fable-spinner, talk drivel, a deceiver, a racist and self-deluded"
Must have been something I said..

It is a reflection of how you deal with people with different beliefs.

Much more then the message itself.

ChristineES · Sep 6, 2014

disciple said:
Is the 'church' (the institutions, the antichrist?

I believe the anti-Christ, if it isn't a symbolic word, will be a man (Or a woman).

ChristineES · Sep 6, 2014

Since most Christians believe that the Church isn't a building, but the whole body of believers in Jesus, then "The Church" couldn't possibly be the anti-Christ, in my view.

outhouse · Sep 6, 2014

ChristineES said:
Since most Christians believe that the Church isn't a building, but the whole body of believers in Jesus, then "The Church" couldn't possibly be the anti-Christ, in my view.

Agreed.

"ekklesia" "assembly."

Nada · Sep 6, 2014

gzusfrk said:
Then why did Jesus say tormented day and night forever and ever. Oh by the way, I am the Church

Tormented day and night forever and ever is a symbolic statement that implies total destruction for eternity.It does not mean that God will torture people or the devil for all eternity.God does not torture people and burn them in fire forever.

Jeremiah 7:31 They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the firesomething I did not command, nor did it enter my mind.

Jeremiah 32:35 They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded--nor did it enter my mind--that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.

So as you can see from Gods own Word, He finds this act detestable.It is something that never entered His mind and He never commanded.

Symbolic language.

You have to understand brother that when Gods Word describes things, its not always literal.
There is much symbolism,especially in the book of Revelation.

When God says beast,He does not mean an animal literally.This describes a Kingdom or world government.

When God says island,it usually refers to a distant Kingdom or far away land.

When many waters or seas a re spoken of it can refer to many peoples.For example,
Revelation 17:15 Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.

When Gods Word speaks of carry off His people to safety with wings,it does not mean they were literally carried of and flown away.It just means He made sure they were taken care of and helped to get to safety by way of His holy spirit.

Mountains can also refer to a Kingdom or a government.Gods Kingdom is described as a mountain smashing the feet of the statue in the book of Daniel that represents all the Kingdoms of the world from the time of King Nebuchadnezzar to end of our time.

Its all symbolic language and not to be taken literally.

The eternal lake of fire is a symbolic place that really represents eternal damnation in the form of eternal destruction.No eternal life.eternal separation form your God and creator.

gzusfrk · Sep 6, 2014

Bible Student said:
Tormented day and night forever and ever is a symbolic statement that implies total destruction for eternity.It does not mean that God will torture people or the devil for all eternity.God does not torture people and burn them in fire forever.

Jeremiah 7:31 They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the firesomething I did not command, nor did it enter my mind.

Jeremiah 32:35 They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded--nor did it enter my mind--that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.

So as you can see from Gods own Word, He finds this act detestable.It is something that never entered His mind and He never commanded.

Symbolic language.

You have to understand brother that when Gods Word describes things, its not always literal.
There is much symbolism,especially in the book of Revelation.

When God says beast,He does not mean an animal literally.This describes a Kingdom or world government.

When God says island,it usually refers to a distant Kingdom or far away land.

When many waters or seas a re spoken of it can refer to many peoples.For example,
Revelation 17:15 Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.

When Gods Word speaks of carry off His people to safety with wings,it does not mean they were literally carried of and flown away.It just means He made sure they were taken care of and helped to get to safety by way of His holy spirit.

Mountains can also refer to a Kingdom or a government.Gods Kingdom is described as a mountain smashing the feet of the statue in the book of Daniel that represents all the Kingdoms of the world from the time of King Nebuchadnezzar to end of our time.

Its all symbolic language and not to be taken literally.

The eternal lake of fire is a symbolic place that really represents eternal damnation in the form of eternal destruction.No eternal life.eternal separation form your God and creator.

Well at least that way you can make it say what you want. You quoted the old testament which I dont believe is the Living and active Word of God

Nada · Sep 6, 2014

gzusfrk said:
Well at least that way you can make it say what you want. You quoted the old testament which I dont believe is the Living and active Word of God

You cannot be a true Christian according to what you said then.You cannot have Christianity and the fulfillments without the Old Testament first.

Nada · Sep 6, 2014

gzusfrk said:
Well at least that way you can make it say what you want. You quoted the old testament which I dont believe is the Living and active Word of God

It was the OT that prophesied the coming of Jesus Christ.You cannot have the NT without the OT.It was the OT that said he would be pierced with a spear and also that his bones would not be broken.It was the OT that said he would enter Jerusalem on an ***.Everything told about the Messiah was spoken of first in the OT.

Nada · Sep 6, 2014

gzusfrk said:
Well at least that way you can make it say what you want. You quoted the old testament which I dont believe is the Living and active Word of God

Jesus quoted the OT numerous times all throughout the NT.Even his disciples do too.So according to your statement,Jesus and his disciples were then quoting writings in the OT that you say are not Gods Word? Wow!

Nada · Sep 6, 2014

Here Jesus is quoting the Ot and refers to it as the Word of God.
Matthew 22:31 And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God:

Throughout the Gospels, we find Jesus confirming many of the accounts in the Old Testament, such as the destruction of Sodom and the death of Lots wife (Luke 17:29, 32) the murder of Abel by his brother Cain (Luke 11:51), the calling of Moses (Mark 12:26), and the manna given in the wilderness (John 6:3151).

The list of examples goes on, and the evidence is clear: Jesus saw the Old Testament as being Gods Word, and his attitude toward it was nothing less than total trust. Many people want to accept Jesus, yet they reject a large portion of the Old Testament. Either Jesus knew what he was talking about, or he didnt. If a person believes in Jesus Christ, he should be consistent and believe that the Old Testament and its accounts are correct.

Matthew 21:16 and they said to him, Do you hear what these are saying? And Jesus said to them, Yes; have you never read,
Out of the mouth of infants and nursing babies
you have prepared praise?

Jesus was citing Psalm 8:2);

Taken from Reasons Skeptics Should Consider Christianity Tyndale House printing. Copyright 1981 by Campus Crusade for Christ.

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