Desert Snake
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Is the 'church' (the institutions, the antichrist?
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Is the 'church' the antichrist?
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Nadia Faiazova
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Bible prophesy reveals that lawless one will be revealed in the time when true religion will be shining. Aparently, there is one true religion that teaches truth about God and Jesus Christ. And others don't, so they are anti Christ.
paarsurrey
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Alt Thinker
Older than the hills
The term antichrist is used only in the epistles of John. In the popular imagination, fostered in part by Hollywood, the antichrist is often conflated with the Beast, the False Prophet and/or Satan in Revelation. These are in fact three different entities and none of them is the antichrist as defined in the epistles of John.
Who is the antichrist?
whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ is the antichrist (1 Jn 2:22)
every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is the spirit of the antichrist (1 Jn 4:3)
who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh is the deceiver and the antichrist (2 Jn 1:7)
The antichrist is anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah) and has come in the flesh. John refers mainly to persons but also to spirits. These are not ghosts but thoughts that arise from other than the Spirit that comes from God.
Any church that accepts that Jesus is the Christ and has come in the flesh (or members thereof) is therefore not the antichrist.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
If so wouldn't that make the Marriage of the Church in Revelation kind of...well, at the very least the consummation would be nothing but hate sex.
Shuttlecraft
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Topic title: Is the 'church' the antichrist?
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Don't forget that the Bible doesn't say there's just one antichrist; it says there are MANY-
"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour" (1 John 2:18 )
They're everywhere, including in many organised religions including Christianity, and they're also in politics, in the military top brass, they can be executives in the TV, newspaper and film industries, and be schoolteachers and college tutors etc.They're easy to spot by the rubbishy things they say and do.
It's as though there's an "antichrist virus" going around and they've caught a dose of it..
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Don't forget that the Bible doesn't say there's just one antichrist; it says there are MANY-
"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour" (1 John 2:18 )
They're everywhere, including in many organised religions including Christianity, and they're also in politics, in the military top brass, they can be executives in the TV, newspaper and film industries, and be schoolteachers and college tutors etc.They're easy to spot by the rubbishy things they say and do.
It's as though there's an "antichrist virus" going around and they've caught a dose of it..
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Alt Thinker
Older than the hills
Topic title: Is the 'church' the antichrist?
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Don't forget that the Bible doesn't say there's just one antichrist; it says there are MANY-
"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour" (1 John 2:18 )
They're everywhere, including in many organised religions including Christianity, and they're also in politics, in the military top brass, they can be executives in the TV, newspaper and film industries, and be schoolteachers and college tutors etc.They're easy to spot by the rubbishy things they say and do.
It's as though there's an "antichrist virus" going around and they've caught a dose of it..
Are the "rubbishy things they say and do" to deny that Jesus is the Christ come in the flesh? If not, then they are not antichrists. John is very explicit about what the term means. And he is the only one to use the term in all the Bible.
Barring, of course, confusion or misdirection about the meaning of "Christ". Not saying that it is a common problem or significant problem, but it probably happened at some point.
Alt Thinker
Older than the hills
To John, Christ meant the Messiah. Kristos is simply the Greek word corresponding to Messiah. The part about coming in the flesh sounds like it is a dig against docetism, which maintained that Jesus only seemed to have a body but was really just a spirit clothed in illusion.
It took a few centuries for the meaning of the Trinity to be resolved (more or less). It is an interesting question whether John meant that the term Christ to include divinity equal to God the Father. Are the Unitarians antichrists?
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It is impressive how little of the historical origins and original circunstances of Christianity apply these days - or perhaps worse, are perceived in ways that were probably never meant by its creators.
On the other hand, that is often a good thing, at least when there is enough questioning involved.
It took a few centuries for the meaning of the Trinity to be resolved (more or less). It is an interesting question whether John meant that the term Christ to include divinity equal to God the Father. Are the Unitarians antichrists?
Christian Antichrists?
So cool. And so very Nietzschian. And Taoistic.
I believe Jesus really said "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free". Anything standing against knowing the truth is antichrist. The Bible as we know it with it's many leavened scriptures, along with the church that distributes it, is THE antichrist, in my opinion. Of course I hope I am wrong as I think they don't want that role. I think most of the people in the many institutions which profess Christ Jesus have good intentions. But good intentions can't do much.
Jesus said "disciple the nations". It means tell them the truth even as you demontrate it, and while you are learning. The church right away started to teach things they had not learned yet. It never stopped. Jesus said sow wheat. They sow weeds. Weeds choke life.
Most churches teach that the people who will end up weeping and gnashing their teeth will be all the people who rejected The Church. But why would they do that? Someone who has been fooled would do it. Weeping signifies loss. Gnashing teeth signifies anger. A non-believer does not lose anything and isn't angry if someone else wins. They choose non-belief because they are reasonable. I think if the rains came the people who have lived for themselves, because they chose to, would be glad to see some survive on Noah's ark. If I do not fulfill God's will for me, I won't be angry if someone else does. I will be happy that Christ gets his harvest.
Shuttlecraft
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Yes the antichrist is not necessarily a single man or woman as suggested by horror films like The Omen..
"Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist, he denies the Father and the Son" (1 John 2:22/3)
"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist" (2 John 1:7)
"..every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world" (1 John 4:3)
"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour" (1 John 2:18 )
Jesus coming in flesh does not mean believe the history. It means he is like us except that he is Leader. To deny his is flesh like ours is to deny his God given authority to lead us to the promise of God that the Earth, being given to the children in the image of God, become the place which magnifies God's love. It's not happening. WHY isn't it happening? Because he who came in the flesh to share in the inheritance and become it's legal overseer is The Word. If the word isn't right (it isn't) it is to deny him his right. The meek won't inherit the Earth without the meekest one, Jesus Christ.
To profess Jesus came in the flesh is to recognize he is included in the promise The highest heavens belong to לַיהוָ֑ה, but the earth he has given to mankind. Psalm 115:16
To follow him is to believe in the resurrection of him and to recognize he is first. Not the man is first, as he is dead, 2000 years ago, but that his word means life and must be first. It is easy to believe his word, which is his purpose , if first you believe he really is God's son. I believe it. The church recognizes itself as God's son. It isn't.
To follow him is to believe in the resurrection of him and to recognize he is first. Not the man is first, as he is dead, 2000 years ago, but that his word means life and must be first. It is easy to believe his word, which is his purpose , if first you believe he really is God's son. I believe it. The church recognizes itself as God's son. It isn't.
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Shuttlecraft
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Christian Antichrists?
So cool. And so very Nietzschian. And Taoistic.
Ha ha yes, Christian Antichrists sounds Pythonesque, but they really are everywhere, they're satanic plants working to sabotage Christianity and to turn people off Jesus!
They fool a lot of people but they can't get under Jesus's radar..
Jesus said-"Not all who call me "Lord,Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)
Paul too was onto them-
"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light" (2 Cor 11:13/14)
To deny Jesus is flesh like us is to deny his right to inherit the Earth. The Earth is not kind to sinners. the land vomited out its inhabitants. Leviticus 18:25
The church teaches YHVH will take back the Earth which YHVH gave to humankind. The church teaches it is YHVH who will destroy the gift.
To recognize Jesus is an inheritor of Earth is to treat Earth with respect. If we are expected to treat it with respect then why does the church teach God won't?
The church teaches YHVH will take back the Earth which YHVH gave to humankind. The church teaches it is YHVH who will destroy the gift.
To recognize Jesus is an inheritor of Earth is to treat Earth with respect. If we are expected to treat it with respect then why does the church teach God won't?
Ha ha yes, Christian Antichrists sounds Pythonesque, but they really are everywhere, they're satanic plants working to sabotage Christianity and to turn people off Jesus!
They fool a lot of people but they can't get under Jesus's radar..
Jesus said-"Not all who call me "Lord,Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)
Paul too was onto them-
"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light" (2 Cor 11:13/14)
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Not everyone calling the Bible Lord will enter the Kingdom of God.