Was Mary Magdalene the mother of Jesus?

FFH said:

Christ had to be ALL things to ALL people. If he was married then he would not be able to relate to, or suffer the shame of, not being married. Have you ever taken notice of those in your ward or neighborhood that never married, because nobody wanted to marry them ??? It is an aweful thing to have to endure. I am sure you know of at least one person that has lived a life of shame, because nobody wanted to marry them. They have lived a single life, and have not quite fitted into the community, especially the LDS community, which stresses marriage and family.

This is what I am talking about, when I say that Christ had to be ALL things to ALL people. He had to be able to relate to ALL people, whoever they might be. If he had married then the unmarried person would not relate to him. He had to decrease so that we might increase. He had to submit to the will of the father, which meant focusing on his ministry. Just think of it in terms of an LDS missionary going on his mission. He is required to postpone marriage until he has finished his mission. Christ was required to do the same thing, postpone marriage until he had finished his mission here on earth.

If Christ had married, he would not have been able to relate to ALL people, especially to the millions of people who will suffer the shame of not marrying in this life.

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Actually He could. Then what about all those who suffer heartbreak within a marriage? With what you are saying you are excluding that Christ didn't suffer for those in a bad marriage because He couldn't have because He wasn't married. Anywho, I want this to get back on topic.

FFH said:

Christ had to suffer ALL shame and ALL pain, so that we would not have to suffer.

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So, you're saying that Christ had Cancer, HIV, and was homosexual, huh? If he had to feel what ALL people have felt....

No offense inteded to anyone, just pointing out some logical inconsistencies.

Halcyon said:

No she wasn't.

According to the Gospel of Philip there were three women called Mary (Miryam) that followed Yeshua.

His mother, his sister and his 'companion' Miryam of Magdala.

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what he said!

Well, that does not even deserve an answer. Even my three year old brother says that Bill does not know what he is talking about. I mean, no? Hmm, the were about the same age, unless Mary and Joseph "Christ" were about three when they had him, no. Then she had children with Him? No, that is utterly wrong.

SoyLeche said:

So, you're saying that Christ had Cancer, HIV, and was homosexual, huh? If he had to feel what ALL people have felt....

No offense inteded to anyone, just pointing out some logical inconsistencies.

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That's what I was trying to say, but it didn't come out that way, but if we want to continue on this, I suggest creating another thread.

Think of it this way, if Christ had married, and had children, then millions of people around the world would say, "Christ doesn't know, or care, about my pain, and suffering, because look at him, and the wonderful life he had". Christ gains more respect from the world. by suffering ALL things. He suffered ALL the shame, the world had to offer, and ALL the pain, the world had to offer, so that we would not have to fear, or be ashamed.

Isaiah 53: 5

"the chastisement of our peace was upon him"

Mosiah 14: 5

"the chastisement of our peace was upon him"

FFH said:

Think of it this way, if Christ had married, and had children, then millions of people around the world would say, "Christ doesn't know, or care, about my pain, and suffering, because look at him, and the wonderful life he had". Christ gains more respect from the world. by suffering ALL things. He suffered ALL the shame, the world had to offer, and ALL the pain, the world had to offer, so that we would not have to fear, or be ashamed.

Isaiah 53: 5

"the chastisement of our peace was upon him"

Mosiah 14: 5

"the chastisement of our peace was upon him"

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Again refer to what Soyleche said or make another thread. Do not hijack others threads.

Victor said:

Is the Divinci Code gone amok?

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No, we just like to discuss any random theory under the sun....

Christ had to suffer ALL the pain and sorrow of this life in order to relate to, and atone for, everyone who ever lived on the earth. Christ suffered ALL shame and ALL pain that could ever be imagined.

Mary Magdelene understood, in part, some of this. She understood the importance and significance of Jesus's life on earth, therefore, she devoted her time and talents to his comfort and well being. This could have easily been confused with the role of a mother or wife to Jesus, which is so far removed from the truth of her relationship with him. It was strictly a devotion and admiration of one person for another. If you don't really know Jesus Christ then you would not really understand why Mary Magdelene acted the way she did, and one would assume she must have been Jesus' wife or mother.

FFH said:

Christ had to suffer ALL the pain and sorrow of this life in order to relate to, and atone for, everyone who ever lived on the earth. Christ suffered ALL shame and ALL pain that could ever be imagined.

Mary Magdelene understood, in part, some of this. She understood the importance and significance of Jesus's life on earth, therefore, she devoted her time and talents to his comfort and well being. This could have easily been confused with the role of a mother or wife to Jesus, which is so far removed from the truth of her relationship with him. It was strictly a devotion and admiration of one person for another. If you don't really know Jesus Christ then you would not really understand why Mary Magdelened acted the way she did, and one would assume she must have been Jesus' wife or mother.

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You can go ahead and believe whatever you want, but you have no more evidence against his being married than there is for is. Bottom line is, we don't know whether he was married or not.

SoyLeche said:

You can go ahead and believe whatever you want, but you have no more evidence against his being married than there is for is. Bottom line is, we don't know whether he was married or not.

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Exactly.

Victor said:

Is the Divinci Code gone amok?

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It has gone so amok that I totally misread the opening post. My bad.

SoyLeche said:

You can go ahead and believe whatever you want, but you have no more evidence against his being married than there is for is. Bottom line is, we don't know whether he was married or not.

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Hmmmm, I like a challenge. I'll start another thread on this subject if I can find a conference talk to back up what I have said.

FFH said:

Hmmmm, I like a challenge. I'll start another thread on this subject if I can find a conference talk to back up what I have said.

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Let me just clarify, that I do believe that Christ has felt all of the pain and suffering of all mankind, but most of that occured in the Garden of Gethsemene and on the Cross. He has experienced the sadness that some unmaried people have faced - but not necessarily because he himself was unmarried. In some way that we cannot understand, he has felt our pain - not in general terms either. He has felt MY pain and he has felt YOUR pain. He knows what all of MY sicknesses have been like. He has suffered all things - but not because he lived through all things. If you want to start your thread, go ahead. It will be interesting, although I have Alma 7:11 on my side.

Anyway, back on topic.

The first chapter of Luke mentions that Mary the mother of Jesus was from Nazareth, Mary Madalene was from Magdala. Since these are not the same city, they are probably not the same person.

FFH said:

Think of it this way, if Christ had married, and had children, then millions of people around the world would say, "Christ doesn't know, or care, about my pain, and suffering, because look at him, and the wonderful life he had".

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Yes...if he'd been married, that would have just made that whole nailed to a tree and poked with a pointy stick thing a cracking good time in comparison to how a single man would perceive it.:areyoucra

SoyLeche said:

You can go ahead and believe whatever you want, but you have no more evidence against his being married than there is for is. Bottom line is, we don't know whether he was married or not.

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and.... would it really change anyone's salvation or faith at all?

Buttons* said:

and.... would it really change anyone's salvation or faith at all?

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Actually, I think it might, there are many people if they found out that Christ was married would possibly stop believing.

It wouldn't change anything to do with salvation, but I personally know a couple of people that would have a cow.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the prophecy. Period. There was nothing written in the prophecy that said how he had to live his life, except that he would be rejected and killed. He died on the cross so that future generations might see the error in condeming a man for what he says and believes. Yet we still haven't learned, have we. I read the Divinci Code, and I thought it was an excellent book. I don't see why the church is so worried about Jesus being married. So what.. Where in the bible does it say it's a sin to be married, or even have sex out of wedlock? Look at Sampson for an example.
Jesus was and is a man. A human being who followed the prophecy. He bled, he felt pain, he ate and he drank. He felt the need to pray too. It is obvious that Jesus loved Mary Magdelene. Was his love platonic? I have yet to see a passage that disproves the theory of Mary Magdelene as his mother. Another interesting thing is that Mary Magdelene didn't recognize Jesus at the sepulchre until he revealed himself to her. Proving that Jesus cannot be recognized unless he wants us to recognize him. And Jesus has been here on earth since the beginning of time and continues to be here.
St. John 8:58 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
and 9:5 "As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."
Without Jesus, there would be no light.
St. John 4:48 "Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe."
St. Luke 12:8 "Also I say unto you, Whosoevere shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God."
My point is, there are those who believe they know it all about the bible, yet do the opposite of the teachings of Jesus by condeming those who say and believe something other than their opinion. Those with true faith, will accept that anything is possible, and will reserve judgement to God. Curiosity is good, condemnation is not. But even after I say these words, there will be those who can't wait to call me crazy for believing in Bill. But what is crazy? A belief that doesn't align with yours? Treat your fellow person like they are Jesus, because you never know if they really are. This is what the bible teaches.