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The second coming of Jesus Christ - Is this arguement valid?

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
Booko said:
Well, I'd question whether God is guiding anyone to burn the flesh of the bones of women and children using phosphorus bombs.

Is it right for someone to pray? Uh, how can it not be right to pray? ok...maybe if you were praying for us to drop phosphorus on people, that would not be ok, but I don't imagine that's what you're saying. I can't see how praying for the Return could be harmful. In fact, praying to recognize it when it happens could be pretty wise. It's not like it was obviuous to everyone the first time around, was it?

There are always two forces at work.

Burning the flesh using phosphorus bombs are the evil force at work.

The good force just ensure the Second Coming.:biglaugh:
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
first...this is assuming that one believes in the second coming of anybody

secondly, we've deteremined that some of the information is not only plagerized (which is a form of stealing) but contains misleading information (and impo racist)

i think, at most, this should be taken w/ a grain of salt, if not completely ignored.
 

may

Well-Known Member
true christians are no part of the world just like Jesus was no part of the world .They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world John 17;16
Should Religion Mix in Politics?
Jesus did not seek involvement for himself or his followers in Rome’s political system. he was fully occupied with declaring "the good news of the kingdom of God."—Luke 4:43
 

Ori

Angel slayer
may said:
true christians are no part of the world just like Jesus was no part of the world .They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world John 17;16
Should Religion Mix in Politics?
Jesus did not seek involvement for himself or his followers in Rome’s political system. he was fully occupied with declaring "the good news of the kingdom of God."—Luke 4:43

I say, would this include Superman and the kingdom of Zod? :D
 

Bishadi

Active Member
Has anybody ever really thought through the verbatim of theology? Most is poppy cop. Man from Mud, Women from rib, creation in seven days, dragon with a bunch of heads, a women with a bunch of arms, dancing.

What a bunch of funny page stuff. Oh No… please tell me people will not be killed by my comment ……

But prophecies are/were real just not very well interpreted as the seer saw it.

The anti Christ is what most people are waiting for and I suggest that over half on the globe are AC’s in some definitions. Or what about how all religions will fall but the one making the claim will fare well, now that is funny. My chevy is better than your ford but yet neither can appreciate there just beeping cars that do the same thing.

So let’s get real spooky;
054.001
YUSUFALI: The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder.
PICKTHAL: The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain.
SHAKIR: The hour drew nigh and the moon did rend asunder.

075.006
YUSUFALI: He questions: "When is the Day of Resurrection?"
PICKTHAL: He asketh: When will be this Day of Resurrection?
SHAKIR: He asks: When is the day of resurrection?

075.007
YUSUFALI: At length, when the sight is dazed,
PICKTHAL: But when sight is confounded
SHAKIR: So when the sight becomes dazed,

075.008
YUSUFALI: And the moon is buried in darkness.
PICKTHAL: And the moon is eclipsed
SHAKIR: And the moon becomes dark,

075.009
YUSUFALI: And the sun and moon are joined together,-
PICKTHAL: And sun and moon are united,
SHAKIR: And the sun and the moon are brought together,

Well ….. March 29 2006 a full eclipse will run through Turkey and be seen as the half eclipse over Israel.
This is supposed to be a sign.
003.081
YUSUFALI: Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a messenger, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
PICKTHAL: When Allah made (His) covenant with the prophets, (He said): Behold that which I have given you of the Scripture and knowledge. And afterward there will come unto you a messenger, confirming that which ye possess. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you) in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear ye witness. I will be a witness with you.
SHAKIR: And when Allah made a covenant through the prophets: Certainly what I have given you of Book and wisdom-- then an messenger comes to you verifying that which is with you, you must believe in him, and you must aid him. He said: Do you affirm and accept My compact in this (matter)? They said: We do affirm. He said: Then bear witness, and I (too) am of the bearers of witness with you.

This basically says, you will have the works in front of you but another one will come and offer a way to look and ask “do you understand? And then, ‘let’s teach and live as such’
003.078
YUSUFALI: There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!
PICKTHAL: And lo! there is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly.
SHAKIR: Most surely there is a party amongst those who distort the Book with their tongue that you may consider it to be (a part) of the Book, and they say, It is from Allah, while it is not from Allah, and they tell a lie against Allah whilst they know.

These are happening now and in 2 days we will see if the brainwashers known as the leaders of the tribes of Islam will actually cause additional bs. I am very nervous about this week. When the sky turns black in the middle of the day, some kid who can’t even spell his own name may be coaxed into doing something very stupid because some idiot preacher tells him to.
My point is “yes” what was once viewed in a prophecy will occur but may not as verbatim and the **** that is to hit the fan will be between the gangs of Abraham. No matter what brother they are fighting on behalf of. They will fight and they are brothers … just like the books say but neither will have their religion as the true representation, that I can assure.
Will Jesus, the black man or Jew or Gnostic, or the man as He lived a couple thousand years ago is not going to walk on this earth again. His legacy, His gifts, His compassion, yep He will live forever, He is immortal but nope he is not coming back, long hair blew out in the 90’s and He is just not comfortable with people cutting His hair. Once bitten twice shy…. ya think …. Not! We are talking reality not fantasy.
I am not trying to be funny about the post but I do enjoy trying to put pieces together so more people can grasp what theology is, why and what to expect. The only fear is that we do not harm others and be a waste of energy or leave a legacy of being an idiot where we are not only wished to be forgotten but our future may have to fix what you left them.
Don’t worry about the next chapter, it’s all good, it may be ruff for a bit but imagine when everybody realizes they do matter, they have something to offer and they do not intend to be a negative, the rest will be dealt with, with a little more direct approach as all of us will know that time and be a part of judging and forgiving, as none are perfect and none will be left out. We are all a part of the collective and God is the collective in total. What was written will occur just not quite in the verbatim suggested. There will be a universal knowledge and it is based off of the universal item called “life.” Nothing in this universe is separate and no life especially man is under a different set of rules, it’s just that the rules of our evolution have not been completed; otherwise these conversations would be moot!
 

Ori

Angel slayer
Bishadi said:
Has anybody ever really thought through the verbatim of theology? Most is poppy cop. Man from Mud, Women from rib, creation in seven days, dragon with a bunch of heads, a women with a bunch of arms, dancing.

What a bunch of funny page stuff. Oh No… please tell me people will not be killed by my comment ……

But prophecies are/were real just not very well interpreted as the seer saw it.

The anti Christ is what most people are waiting for and I suggest that over half on the globe are AC’s in some definitions. Or what about how all religions will fall but the one making the claim will fare well, now that is funny. My chevy is better than your ford but yet neither can appreciate there just beeping cars that do the same thing.

So let’s get real spooky;
054.001
YUSUFALI: The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder.
PICKTHAL: The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain.
SHAKIR: The hour drew nigh and the moon did rend asunder.

075.006
YUSUFALI: He questions: "When is the Day of Resurrection?"
PICKTHAL: He asketh: When will be this Day of Resurrection?
SHAKIR: He asks: When is the day of resurrection?

075.007
YUSUFALI: At length, when the sight is dazed,
PICKTHAL: But when sight is confounded
SHAKIR: So when the sight becomes dazed,

075.008
YUSUFALI: And the moon is buried in darkness.
PICKTHAL: And the moon is eclipsed
SHAKIR: And the moon becomes dark,

075.009
YUSUFALI: And the sun and moon are joined together,-
PICKTHAL: And sun and moon are united,
SHAKIR: And the sun and the moon are brought together,

Well ….. March 29 2006 a full eclipse will run through Turkey and be seen as the half eclipse over Israel.
This is supposed to be a sign.
003.081
YUSUFALI: Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a messenger, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
PICKTHAL: When Allah made (His) covenant with the prophets, (He said): Behold that which I have given you of the Scripture and knowledge. And afterward there will come unto you a messenger, confirming that which ye possess. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you) in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear ye witness. I will be a witness with you.
SHAKIR: And when Allah made a covenant through the prophets: Certainly what I have given you of Book and wisdom-- then an messenger comes to you verifying that which is with you, you must believe in him, and you must aid him. He said: Do you affirm and accept My compact in this (matter)? They said: We do affirm. He said: Then bear witness, and I (too) am of the bearers of witness with you.

This basically says, you will have the works in front of you but another one will come and offer a way to look and ask “do you understand? And then, ‘let’s teach and live as such’
003.078
YUSUFALI: There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!
PICKTHAL: And lo! there is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly.
SHAKIR: Most surely there is a party amongst those who distort the Book with their tongue that you may consider it to be (a part) of the Book, and they say, It is from Allah, while it is not from Allah, and they tell a lie against Allah whilst they know.

These are happening now and in 2 days we will see if the brainwashers known as the leaders of the tribes of Islam will actually cause additional bs. I am very nervous about this week. When the sky turns black in the middle of the day, some kid who can’t even spell his own name may be coaxed into doing something very stupid because some idiot preacher tells him to.
My point is “yes” what was once viewed in a prophecy will occur but may not as verbatim and the **** that is to hit the fan will be between the gangs of Abraham. No matter what brother they are fighting on behalf of. They will fight and they are brothers … just like the books say but neither will have their religion as the true representation, that I can assure.
Will Jesus, the black man or Jew or Gnostic, or the man as He lived a couple thousand years ago is not going to walk on this earth again. His legacy, His gifts, His compassion, yep He will live forever, He is immortal but nope he is not coming back, long hair blew out in the 90’s and He is just not comfortable with people cutting His hair. Once bitten twice shy…. ya think …. Not! We are talking reality not fantasy.
I am not trying to be funny about the post but I do enjoy trying to put pieces together so more people can grasp what theology is, why and what to expect. The only fear is that we do not harm others and be a waste of energy or leave a legacy of being an idiot where we are not only wished to be forgotten but our future may have to fix what you left them.
Don’t worry about the next chapter, it’s all good, it may be ruff for a bit but imagine when everybody realizes they do matter, they have something to offer and they do not intend to be a negative, the rest will be dealt with, with a little more direct approach as all of us will know that time and be a part of judging and forgiving, as none are perfect and none will be left out. We are all a part of the collective and God is the collective in total. What was written will occur just not quite in the verbatim suggested. There will be a universal knowledge and it is based off of the universal item called “life.” Nothing in this universe is separate and no life especially man is under a different set of rules, it’s just that the rules of our evolution have not been completed; otherwise these conversations would be moot!

Thats... good news. :biglaugh:
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
I'm not waiting around for the Antichrist, I am waiting for Jesus Christ, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, to whom every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. I will be outta here before the Antichrist appears on the scene, I take Jesus at His Word, He said that if He goes He will come again for us, that He is preparing a place for us, that is those who have trusted in Him, for He is the only way to Heaven, as He said.
 

Adstar

Active Member
may said:
true christians are no part of the world just like Jesus was no part of the world .They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world John 17;16
Should Religion Mix in Politics?
Jesus did not seek involvement for himself or his followers in Rome’s political system. he was fully occupied with declaring "the good news of the kingdom of God."—Luke 4:43

I agree. Our kingdom is not of this world and out allegance should only be to the King of that kingdom.


All Praise the Ancient Of Days
 

may

Well-Known Member
Maxist said:
He was born, then rose from the dead. You mean the Third coming of Jesus Christ.
or rather his presence(parousia) many bible translations say (coming) when it should say presence
THREE days before Jesus’ death, four of his disciples approached him and earnestly asked: "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming [Greek, pa·rou·si´a], and of the end of the world?" For centuries Christendom’s clergy and writers have interpreted these words spoken to Jesus at Matthew 24:3 (King James Version) to mean that he would again be visible in the flesh to be viewed by all mankind. so,they have taught that Christ’s return would be with great display and visible pomp. They refer to it as Christ’s second coming. But are their assumptions correct?
"Parousia . . . signifies presence, and should never be translated coming,
Jehovah’s people correctly understand that the pa·rou·si´a of Christ would be an invisible one
 

may

Well-Known Member
Moses the God Archetype* said:
Yes it is said the christ is to return..........his work for the father is not yet completed indeed.
true his work is not yet complete ,
 
Bush annually attends a gathering at "Bohemian Grove" where he worships old, druidic gods, not that there is anything wrong with that, and then parades around in a PR move. Bottom line is Bush is a liar, we went to Iraq simply because it would help out his and his buddies companies, if Bush was trying to take over Palestine why wouldn't he just invade Palestine, they have been alleged with harboring "terrorists" and have been involved with "terrorist" activities so he would have a very easy pretext for war.
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
The Bible clearly teaches the 2nd Coming will be absolutely visible, and all will see Him when he comes, it teaches exactly when He comes, and what happens when He comes. Some of this is in Revelation 19, some in Mathew, some in prophecy in the OT.
 

Adstar

Active Member
joeboonda said:
The Bible clearly teaches the 2nd Coming will be absolutely visible, and all will see Him when he comes, it teaches exactly when He comes, and what happens when He comes. Some of this is in Revelation 19, some in Mathew, some in prophecy in the OT.

Yes joeboonda and He will reurn in the same manner that He left. With a body.

Acts 1
9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”


Revelation 1
7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
Life of Brian said:
Bush annually attends a gathering at "Bohemian Grove" where he worships old, druidic gods,

actually i've read that it's the Canaanite g-d Molech, which you will find reference to in scripture...

but that's if you believe that sort of thing....:areyoucra
 

may

Well-Known Member
joeboonda said:
The Bible clearly teaches the 2nd Coming will be absolutely visible, and all will see Him when he comes, it teaches exactly when He comes, and what happens when He comes. Some of this is in Revelation 19, some in Mathew, some in prophecy in the OT.
to see with the eye of understanding ...........yes everyone will know and see that Jesus is king of Gods heavenly kingdom but at that time will Jesus class them as a sheep or a Goat? only Jehovah and Jesus christ know the answer to that question.
 
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