Ferguson: Moving on..why none of this will mater...

CynthiaCypher · Aug 31, 2014

Alceste said:
It's a direct quote. First he said the concept of white privilege is an "excuse" for why black people don't succeed in white society, then he followed it up by saying the "only other possible reason" is biological. I don't need him to clarify it. It was completely clear the first time around.

Since your disagreement with that argument is still uncertain, I'll wait until you've looked it over again before I decide whether or not you're a racist.

How convenient of his batteries to just suddenly run out.

dawny0826 · Aug 31, 2014

CynthiaCypher said:
You have no problem with anyone saying that the reason black people don't succeed in white society is because of their inferior biology.

I know what you are dawny, there is no use trying to hide it.

That's not what I think or what I said at all.

I find the concept of inferior biology to be asinine.

lewisnotmiller · Aug 31, 2014

AgnosticBoy said:
Is this a racist statement?

No...not when considered in the context in which it's written.
If taken out of context then it certainly sounds racist, I would agree with that.

Revoltingest · Aug 31, 2014

Alceste said:
Do you disagree that "black people can't function in a complex white society for biological reasons" is a racist statement? If not, then what word would you yourself use to accurately describe this particular sentiment?

I'm addressing the more pervasive state of affairs, not just the poster in question.
Even so, when a poster does become overtly racist, it can be handled better than
name calling. Objecting to a particular statement would suffice. I don't pay much
attention to the poster in question (one must allocate one's limited attention), so
I don't know if this was over the top sarcasm or serious. But if sarcasm, I notice
the same brand from his opposition, & recognize that ostensibly bigoted statements
can actually be commentary on bigotry, without being same.

CynthiaCypher · Aug 31, 2014

Revoltingest said:
I'm addressing the more pervasive state of affairs, not just the poster in question.
Even so, when a poster does become overtly racist, it can be handled better than
name calling. Objecting to a particular statement would suffice. I don't pay much
attention to the poster in question (one must allocate one's limited attention), so
I don't know if this was over the top sarcasm or serious. But if sarcasm, I notice
the same brand from his opposition, & recognize that ostensibly bigoted statements
can actually be commentary on bigotry, without being same.

Name calling? How is telling someone they re being bigoted and racist name calling? Oh I get it! It's so simple! If you call someone a bigot then that makes you a bigot against the bigot! How logical, rational and reasonable. How foolish of me for not seeing the light.

dawny0826 · Aug 31, 2014

Alceste said:
That's a thoughtful post, Dawny. Thanks for chipping in. You are absolutely right that there are many forms of privilege, and it varies widely depending on the demographic, economic and political realities of any given community. On the other hand, some forms are more obvious than others.

There's also absolutely nothing wrong with questioning why some sub-groups within our communities are failing to thrive. In fact, that is an absolutely necessary step to conceiving effective policies to enhance the chances for that particular sub-group.

The problem enters into it when people think they have the answers, when really all they have is a great deal of subconscious xenophobia and a party bag of crude stereotypes and twisted logic with which to rationalize it.

The statement "the only possible reason black people don't succeed in white society is biological" is what comes out of people who start out with questions but come up with really idiotic answers based on nothing but fear and ignorance.

The sort of work you are doing is (if I remember it right, you're some kind of social worker?) what comes out of people who ask those questions, conduct systemic, sociological analysis of the roots of such problems and stick up for solutions that are proven to be effective.

Understanding your community is a vital component to prioritizing service in the non-profit world. I was responsible for a specific type of casework for over a year, which was not much unlike social work. I worked with several low-income neighborhoods to secure needed aid.

Revoltingest · Aug 31, 2014

Saint Frankenstein said:
Are you talking about me? My my, you must still be angry over those mean comments I made about Joan Rivers. Wah wah.

That post was not about you.
I'm not angry with you at all. We have some differences of opinion, but that's what
RF is all about. And you can be a little prickly at times, but ain't nobody perfect.
You're honest & generally quite friendly to me.

By the way, ShivaFan called Hilary Clinton an "old hag" in that female presidents thread and I didn't see you say a damn thing.

I don't comment on everything.
No one does. No one can.
I strike a balance which suits me, but not everyone else.

Alceste · Aug 31, 2014

CynthiaCypher said:
Name calling? How is telling someone they re being bigoted and racist name calling? Oh I get it! It's so simple! If you call someone a bigot then that makes you a bigot against the bigot! How logical, rational and reasonable. How foolish of me for not seeing the light.

I'm proud to say I'm quite intolerant of intolerance.

Revoltingest · Aug 31, 2014

CynthiaCypher said:
Name calling? How is telling someone they re being bigoted and racist name calling? Oh I get it! It's so simple! If you call someone a bigot then that makes you a bigot against the bigot! How logical, rational and reasonable. How foolish of me for not seeing the light.

Simply: When you call people names, particularly when you're off the mark
or going by vague impressions, it is against the spirit & rules of the forum.
One's points can be made without being abusive.

Alceste · Aug 31, 2014

dawny0826 said:
Understanding your community is a vital component to prioritizing service in the non-profit world. I was responsible for a specific type of casework for over a year, which was not much unlike social work. I worked with several low-income neighborhoods to secure needed aid.

That's great. That's what's needed. What isn't needed is a surprisingly large segment of white society assuming that under-privileged demographics created their own problems via some biological defect and should just suck it up and improve themselves without any outside help. And to stop making such a fuss when the police shoot their sons and daughters dead in the street for misdemeanors.

averageJOE · Aug 31, 2014

Well, this thread has officially been derailed.

Revoltingest · Aug 31, 2014

averageJOE said:
Well, this thread has officially been derailed.

Hey, speaking of that...have you heard anything resembling a consensus
of what immediately preceded Wilson shooting Brown? Grand jury results?

dawny0826 · Aug 31, 2014

Alceste said:
That's great. That's what's needed. What isn't needed is a surprisingly large segment of white society assuming that under-privileged demographics created their own problems via some biological defect and should just suck it up and improve themselves without any outside help. And to stop making such a fuss when the police shoot their sons and daughters dead in the street for misdemeanors.

I typically assume, unless demonstrated otherwise, that both sides of an argument may offer valid points to ponder.

Though, I don't agree with the inferior biology statement, I can relate to questioning why some struggle more than others. I think there would be varied answers within any given community.

dawny0826 · Aug 31, 2014

averageJOE said:
Well, this thread has officially been derailed.

Sorry.

It would be nice if there was some therapeutic value to all this derailed discussion, huh?

Revoltingest · Aug 31, 2014

CynthiaCypher said:
You see the spirit of this forum has long been subverted and will continue to be subverted has long as racism is tolerated in this forum. As far as I am concerned this is a hate site.

Tis best to resolve to not become part of the problem.

Sunstone · Aug 31, 2014

CynthiaCypher said:
You see the spirit of this forum has long been subverted and will continue to be subverted has long as racism is tolerated in this forum. As far as I am concerned this is a hate site.

If this is a hate site, it's in large part due to your notions of how to treat others, CC.

CynthiaCypher · Aug 31, 2014

Revoltingest said:
Tis best to resolve to not become part of the problem.

It is best to fight the problem and to not be blind and indifferent to it.

CynthiaCypher · Aug 31, 2014

Sunstone said:
If this is a hate site, it's in large part due to your notions of how to treat others, CC.

Blame the victim? How typical. It is becoming a hate site because of the overt racism, Islamophobia and Anti-Semitism that is being allowed to run amok here. But sure I must be making it a hate site because I am calling out the hate. Right. Sure. Whatever.

Revoltingest · Aug 31, 2014

The much despised Wikipedia is at least relatively neutral, & is updated regularly.
FWIW, the current status of information....
Shooting of Michael Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The shooting of Michael Brown occurred on August 9, 2014, in Ferguson, Missouri. Brown, an unarmed black man, was shot to death by a white police officer, Darren Wilson. The disputed circumstances of the shooting, and resulting protests and civil unrest, have caused significant controversy in the United States.
According to witness reports and Ferguson police, Wilson drove up to Brown and a friend, Dorian Johnson, and ordered them to move off the street and onto the sidewalk. An altercation then took place between Brown and Wilson through the window of the police car. A shot was fired from within the vehicle and Brown and Johnson began to flee. Wilson left his vehicle, fired his pistol at Brown and confronted him. Wilson then fired several shots at Brown, fatally wounding him. Witness reports greatly differ as to whether Brown was standing with his hands up or moving towards Wilson when he was shot multiple times.
Brown had no criminal record.[2] Wilson had served as a police officer for five years, three of those with the Ferguson Police Department.[3] He has no disciplinary history.[4]

I still see too little info for me to weigh in whether Wilson or Brown is culpable.
Ugh....my sympathies to all those involved...especially Mystic.

CynthiaCypher · Aug 31, 2014

Revoltingest said:
The much despised Wikipedia is at least relatively neutral, & is updated regularly.
FWIW, the current status of information....
Shooting of Michael Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And it is not exactly telling the truth so tell me how is it being neutral. It says in that article that Officer Wilson has no disciplinary history when we know he was in fact fired for a previous police force.

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