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Ferguson: Moving on..why none of this will mater...

She's not making assumptions. The department where Wilson started his career was so plagued with racism they had to fire everyone in it - including Wilson - and start from scratch to build a "credible" police force. It's a fact. Just like it's a fact that Brown was caught shoplifting on tape shortly before the shooting. Neither of them were angels. That is irrelevant to whether or not cops should be gunning down unarmed civilians in the street.

Actually, it doesnt say that Officer Wilson was fired for causing the racial tensions but rather it says the entire police department, including police dispatchers and miniorities who worked for the agency were fired due to racial tensions. That's a disbandment rather than firing for any individual misconduct. I stress that because the article does not define what acts were done to stir racial tension, which officers were involved, and how could any Black, Latino, Asian, women, police dispatchers discriminate against other miniorities. If every single Jennings police officer were fired for being bad then why did they RE-hire 7 police officers?

"County police chief Tim Fitch tells KMOX his department has hired seven former Jennings officers and have assigned five of them to patrol the city. The change became effective yesterday."

Source: Jennings Police Department Now Defunct « CBS St. Louis
 
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oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Facts:
Shoplifting isn't so bad (unless you own a store).
So you don't know the difference between shoplifting and robbery?
I thought you knew better....
Over here shoplifting usually gets you a caution, fine or community service.
Over here robbery carries a max life sentence.


Hey, I'm convinced....Wilson is guilty!
..... well, you jump on officers in your Police State thread rather quickly.
..... Is there an angle here?
..... you seem to be back peddling ........ ?

At best this officer had needed training reviews and counselling....... following on from the counselling I have no doubt that a pro police counselor would have been making a few recommendations..... that is, if they actually do use pro-counselors.
 
It isn't a double standard. If that killing had turned the town into a war zone where an all black police force in riot gear gassed and waved machine guns at a mostly white group of protesters, it would also be news.

Or do you mean if the residents started looting and vandalizing and leading the police to assert a strong presence to keep the peace?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Well Hispanics become conveniently white when it is necessary to justify bigotry. It's only when we are trying to cross the border that we become non-white.

Is Hispanic 'Latin-American'? If so, then here you would be classed as white as in our home-office code '2' which means Mediterranean-white. All my mates ever want to do is lie in the sun to try and look like you folks! :)
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Well Hispanics become conveniently white when it is necessary to justify bigotry. It's only when we are trying to cross the border that we become non-white.

It's funny, since I recall FH making much of the fact that George Zimmerman was half-Hispanic when he wanted to defend his stalking and killing of Trayvon Martin. In that case, IIRC, half-white Zimmerman wasn't white at all. Not even a little. He was "Hispanic". In this case, where the victim is entirely Hispanic, Hispanic people suddenly get to be white. But only because the cop is "not white", which we are supposed to assume means "black".
 
Although I do agree to a degree I do not think the divorce is relevant in assessing trust in this circumstance.

Not to sidebar/ derail but if that's how you feel I would avoid American society. There is a epidemic of divorcees and single motherhood here. Most before the age of 25.:(
So a failed relationship is just as bad as victimizing innocent people by robbing and assaulting them?

Very good points!
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Or do you mean if the residents started looting and vandalizing and leading the police to assert a strong presence to keep the peace?

Yup. That too would be news.

The fact is, hardly any of the thousands of annual cop-on-civilian killings in the US - in many of which the victim is black and the killer white - make a blip in the news.

Therefore the argument that this is only news because the cop was white and the victim was black is fatally flawed. This is news because the **** has hit the fan to such an extent in Ferguson that editors consider it newsworthy.

Not rocket science.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Also, have you heard the insane, racist rant that got another Ferguson police officer sacked?

“I don’t know what them black little perverts don’t understand down there. But they need me to talk to them. I’ll square them away for you. Take me about a minute.”

^ I'm not even kidding. That's a quote.

Watch: Insane, Violent St. Louis Cop Spews Unhinged Psychotic Rant to Oathkeepers (Video) | Americans Against the Tea Party

Hi...
No...... but I've seen it now.
It looks like some have lost sight of their main objectives, which is a classic 'tell' of stress-collapse or stress-threshold failure.......

I would comment further but many in our constabularies are looking like a pretty corrupt bunch just now.... so.... we need to tidy up at home first... sort of thing. :)
 
Yup. That too would be news.

The fact is, hardly any of the thousands of annual cop-on-civilian killings in the US - in many of which the victim is black and the killer white - make a blip in the news.

Therefore the argument that this is only news because the cop was white and the victim was black is fatally flawed. This is news because the **** has hit the fan to such an extent in Ferguson that editors consider it newsworthy.

Not rocket science.

Right, and let's ignore all of the Blacks killing other Blacks. What's up with all that wanna be thug pants on butt saggin and killin (sp?) snitches thing i keep hearing about? You love the gangsta types don't you ; )

Its all the White policeman's doing? Some Black communities really make themselves look bad but yet they're quick to blame cops for wanting to clamp down on crime.
 
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CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Right, and let's ignore all of the Blacks killing other Blacks. What's up with all that wanna be thug pants on butt saggin and killin (sp?) snitches thing i keep hearing about? You love the gangsta types don't you ; )

Its all the White policeman's doing? Some Black communities really make themselves look bad but yet there quick to blame cops for wanting to clamp down on crime.

Wow, just wow.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Wow, just wow.

I know, and people were outright saying YOU were racist.

Mark my words, all those same people ready to pounce on you won't say a single word to him.

That's why we need a PoC DIR. :facepalm::areyoucra

I agree. But OH NOES THAT'S SO EXCLUSIVE OF YOU AND NOT FAIR AND WHAT ABOUT RACISM FROM BLACK PEOPLE THEY'RE SO BAD...

Like I've said before, I hear ya.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
I would like to offer this here....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=niP07kbZMiU

A dinner table scene where the main character in the movie American History X - played by Edward Norton - as a noted White Nationalist and Supremacist, is saying a lot of the same narrative we've seen around here.

Of course, people don't want to be seen as a racist. Apparently that's as bad as being shot unarmed because somebody felt threatened. Apparently being called a racist is as bad as being called a rapist, and my goodness how horrible that people would say that since the effect is just as bad as being called the n-word.

Watch how this characters rhetoric about the LA riots in '92 after Rodney King matches a LOT with the rhetoric of people who are very quick to connect Michael Brown as a violent POS thug, and suggesting that the officer was only doing his job, and we don't know all the details, and how dare you call me a racist, and stop saying all cops are bad, etc.

This character is a White Nationalist.

With a swastika tattooed on his chest.

We live in a culture that normalizes this perspective and calls it "truth". And people of color are supposed to just be quiet about this?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I would like to offer this here....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=niP07kbZMiU

A dinner table scene where the main character in the movie American History X - played by Edward Norton - as a noted White Nationalist and Supremacist, is saying a lot of the same narrative we've seen around here.

Of course, people don't want to be seen as a racist. Apparently that's as bad as being shot unarmed because somebody felt threatened. Apparently being called a racist is as bad as being called a rapist, and my goodness how horrible that people would say that since the effect is just as bad as being called the n-word.

Watch how this characters rhetoric about the LA riots in '92 after Rodney King matches a LOT with the rhetoric of people who are very quick to connect Michael Brown as a violent POS thug, and suggesting that the officer was only doing his job, and we don't know all the details, and how dare you call me a racist, and stop saying all cops are bad, etc.

This character is a White Nationalist.

With a swastika tattooed on his chest.

We live in a culture that normalizes this perspective and calls it "truth". And people of color are supposed to just be quiet about this?
About all I can glean from this is that you're angry at some people siding with the cop, & perhaps some people who aren't taking a side yet. A movie clip with white liberal apologists & a white supremacist will certainly raise blood pressure, but these are characters in a movie, & not posters here. You must've gone thru Hell these last few weeks.
 
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