Ferguson: Moving on..why none of this will mater...

Imaginary_Friends · Aug 30, 2014

Alceste said:
Well he certainly isn't gunning down an unarmed person in a densely populated city street.

I concede that Brown behaved badly. Wilson behaved worse.

And yes, being divorced at 28 says something about your judgment, mental and emotional stability, like it or not.

Although I do agree to a degree I do not think the divorce is relevant in assessing trust in this circumstance.

Not to sidebar/ derail but if that's how you feel I would avoid American society. There is a epidemic of divorcees and single motherhood here. Most before the age of 25.

oldbadger · Aug 30, 2014

Revoltingest said:
Note possible.
There are 3 major camps:
1) It's possible that Brown attacked Wilson, therefore he acted properly in self defense.
2) It's possible that Wilson is a racist, therefore Brown is innocent.
3) Wait for the dust to settle, & rationally evaluate the evidence.
Camp 3 doesn't get much media play.

Well then, 3) can hardly be a major camp just now......
Have you read about Officer White's last force, which was disbanded after disclosures of dreadful police assaults on residents and corruptions? etc? Other Officers applied for their jobs back with the Force taking over....... for some reason Officer White went to Ferguson..... that looks a weeny bit interesting.....

Just the stuff for your Police State thread........

I was simply posting my thoughts after reading about a young member who wants body armour and an assault rifle........

Revoltingest · Aug 30, 2014

oldbadger said:
Well then, 3) can hardly be a major camp just now......
Have you read about Officer White's last force, which was disbanded after disclosures of dreadful police assaults on residents and corruptions? etc? Other Officers applied for their jobs back with the Force taking over....... for some reason Officer White went to Ferguson..... that looks a weeny bit interesting.....

Just the stuff for your Police State thread........

Not enuf yet.

Alceste · Aug 30, 2014

oldbadger said:
Well then, 3) can hardly be a major camp just now......
Have you read about Officer White's last force, which was disbanded after disclosures of dreadful police assaults on residents and corruptions? etc? Other Officers applied for their jobs back with the Force taking over....... for some reason Officer White went to Ferguson..... that looks a weeny bit interesting.....

Just the stuff for your Police State thread........

I was simply posting my thoughts after reading about a young member who wants body armour and an assault rifle........

Also, have you heard the insane, racist rant that got another Ferguson police officer sacked?

I dont know what them black little perverts dont understand down there. But they need me to talk to them. Ill square them away for you. Take me about a minute.

^ I'm not even kidding. That's a quote.

Watch: Insane, Violent St. Louis Cop Spews Unhinged Psychotic Rant to Oathkeepers (Video) | Americans Against the Tea Party

Father Heathen · Aug 30, 2014

Alceste said:
And yes, being divorced at 28 says something about your judgment, mental and emotional stability, like it or not.

And what does your relationship history say about you? Seriously, don't you think you're grasping?

CynthiaCypher · Aug 30, 2014

Revoltingest said:
Facts:
Brown is black.
Killing is wrong.
Wilson is white & divorced.
Wilson was on a force disbanded, but has a clean record at his latest gig.
Shoplifting isn't so bad (unless you own a store).
It's possible Wilson once had a neckbeard.

Hey, I'm convinced....Wilson is guilty!

You just love derailing thread with your facetiousness. Since you can't take any serious issue seriously but must continue to mock and belittle every thread that challenges or criticizes white privilege, why don't you just go and join the forum that is about the front of the storm (instead of polluting serious conversation ion here with your flippant remarks because it is getting tiresome)? I can give you the web address to said forums which will wholeheartedly welcome you.

Alceste · Aug 30, 2014

Father Heathen said:
And what does your relationship history say about you? Seriously, don't you think you're grasping?

My relationship history says I didn't decide in my twenties that I wanted to spend my entire life with my first, second, third or fourth boyfriend, and that I chose not to splash out thousands of dollars to promise I would in front of all our friends and family. (Good judgment).

Yes, I think I'm definitely introducing an irrelevant fact about Wilson into the discussion, just as the Ferguson police introduced an irrelevant fact about Brown into the discussion. If we are entitled to call Brown a POS because he stole some cigars, we are also entitled to call Wilson a POS because he couldn't keep his marriage together.

Father Heathen · Aug 30, 2014

Alceste said:
If we are entitled to call Brown a POS because he stole some cigars,

And physically assaulted the shop owner. I know you're attempting to sweep the violent aspect under the rug, but nope.

we are also entitled to call Wilson a POS because he couldn't keep his marriage together.

So a failed relationship is just as bad as victimizing innocent people by robbing and assaulting them?

Shuttlecraft · Aug 30, 2014

Incidentally we Brits were shocked when the OJ Simpson jury found him not guilty of murdering Nicole and Goldman. Who did they think the bloody glove belonged to, Mary Poppins?

Alceste · Aug 30, 2014

Father Heathen said:
And physically assaulted the shop owner. I know you're attempting to sweep the violent aspect under the rug, but nope.

So a failed relationship is just as bad as victimizing innocent people by robbing and assaulting them?

In my opinion, gunning down an unarmed man in a city street is worse than stealing a box of cigars and pushing a shopkeeper. The divorce and being sacked from an earlier job for racism is just gravy.

Father Heathen · Aug 30, 2014

Alceste said:
In my opinion, gunning down an unarmed man in a city street is worse than stealing a box of cigars and pushing a shopkeeper.

Okay, but we're talking about you comparing a married couple splitting to robbing and assaulting an innocent person.

The divorce and being sacked from an earlier job for racism is just gravy.

Do you really call into question of the character of anyone who's ever been divorced, especially without knowing the actual nature or circumstances behind anyone's split?

CynthiaCypher · Aug 30, 2014

Alceste said:
In my opinion, gunning down an unarmed man in a city street is worse than stealing a box of cigars and pushing a shopkeeper. The divorce and being sacked from an earlier job for racism is just gravy.

You are ignoring certain mitigating factors that justify Officer Wilson's shooting of an unarmed man, the biggest factor being that Brown was black.

Alceste · Aug 30, 2014

Father Heathen said:
Okay, but we're talking about you comparing a married couple splitting to robbing and assaulting an innocent person.

Do you really call into question of the character of anyone who's ever been divorced, especially without knowing the actual nature or circumstances behind anyone's split?

Nope. I'm comparing stealing cigarillos and pushing a man with killing a person of another race after previously having been sacked from the police for racism. The divorce is just gravy.

Father Heathen · Aug 30, 2014

Alceste said:
Nope. I'm comparing stealing cigarillos and pushing a man with killing a person of another race after previously having been sacked from the police for racism. The divorce is just gravy.

Don't pretend you didn't say:

If we are entitled to call Brown a POS because he stole some cigars, we are also entitled to call Wilson a POS because he couldn't keep his marriage together.

This is what I'm addressing, but you can continue in your clumsy attempt to dance around it.

Oh, and again, Do you really call into question of the character of anyone who's ever been divorced, especially without knowing the actual nature or circumstances behind anyone's split?

Alceste · Aug 30, 2014

CynthiaCypher said:
You are ignoring certain mitigating factors that justify Officer Wilson's shooting of an unarmed man, the biggest factor being that Brown was black.

In fairness, I honestly do think some of these folks would be unquestioningly supportive of cops killing practically anybody under any circumstances. Especially out groups, like minorities, the homeless, the mentally ill, gay people, protesters, etc.

That said, the general tone of anti-black bias is obvious here. I just think if he hadn't been black, authoritarian types would still find reasons to believe there was nothing wrong with killing him.

Father Heathen · Aug 30, 2014

Alceste said:
In fairness, I honestly do think some of these folks would be unquestioningly supportive of cops killing practically anybody under any circumstances. Especially out groups, like minorities, the homeless, the mentally ill, gay people, protesters, etc.

Implying me?

That said, the general tone of anti-black bias is obvious here. I just think if he hadn't been black, authoritarian types would still find reasons to believe there was nothing wrong with killing him.

If he hadn't been black (or if the officer had also been black), the whole incident would've been a quiet blip in the media with little to no public reaction and would've been forgotten about by now.

Case in point: WTVC NewsChannel 9 :: News - Top Stories - Salt Lake City Police Chief Addresses Militarization in Wake of Shooting Death of Unarmed Teen

Similar situation, but with the races reversed (black cop - unarmed white guy) Notice the difference in media attention and public reaction? How do you rationalize the double standard?

Alceste · Aug 30, 2014

Father Heathen said:
Implying me?

If he hadn't been black (or if the officer had also been black), the whole incident would've been a quiet blip in the media with little to no public reaction and would've been forgotten about by now.

Case in point: WTVC NewsChannel 9 :: News - Top Stories - Salt Lake City Police Chief Addresses Militarization in Wake of Shooting Death of Unarmed Teen

Similar situation, but with the races reversed (black cop - unarmed white guy) Notice the difference in media attention and public reaction? How do you rationalize the double standard?

It isn't a double standard. If that killing had turned the town into a war zone where an all black police force in riot gear gassed and waved machine guns at a mostly white group of protesters, it would also be news.

Father Heathen · Aug 30, 2014

Alceste said:
It isn't a double standard. If that killing had turned the town into a war zone where an all black police force in riot gear gassed and waved machine guns at a mostly white group of protesters, it would also be news.

There was probably little need for body armor and tear-gas due to a lack of looting and rioting, or even peaceful protest, in response to the shooting. Also, I doubt that very many jumped to the conclusion that the black cop was racist.

CynthiaCypher · Aug 30, 2014

Father Heathen said:
There was probably little need for body armor and tear-gas due to a lack of looting and rioting, or even peaceful protest, in response to the shooting. Also, I doubt that very many jumped to the conclusion that the black cop was racist.

Why are you assuming the cop involved was black? All the article says is that the cop is not a white officer.

Alceste · Aug 30, 2014

Father Heathen said:
There was probably little need for body armor and tear-gas due to a lack of looting and rioting, or even peaceful protest, in response to the shooting. Also, I doubt that very many jumped to the conclusion that the black cop was racist.

Being sacked from your job for being a racist strongly suggests that you are a racist. Perhaps some folks were guessing, but it seems they were guessing correctly.

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