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Heylo all!
(*crowd says back, "hi buttons!"*)
Good to see you all again after that outage this morning.... i truly thought I was in hell! I think we should re-define hell as: "life without RF"
(crowd :clap: ) ... now, now, no applause needed!
....But onto an actual, debatable (or maybe not) topic I've thought about. When I was going through my Christianity to Gnosticism stage, i had MANY questions. (I now have conclusions to all my answers,[or maybe not] so most of the things i ask are out of pure curiosity.) This is my logic:
Christians say, "Yeshua took away all the sin of the world."
and yet we can still commit "sins"... so if Yeshua took away the sin of the world, how are we able to still commit sin?
{There are MANY different branches that stem off from my questioning at this point because thoughts come to me at a mile a minute when i'm rethinking old thoughts... If some of the questions from here on out dont make sense, and probably wont make sense unless you actually understand my locomotive of thought. (tee hee, train, get it?) Please just quote what you dont understand, and ask what i meant by it, and try not to take my opinions or inquiries too harshly. Danke alles! }
In my opinion, and through manly countless hours of thinking on it, sin would not exist if man did not also exist. (well dur ashley) .... Yes, it seems like common knowledge a two year old could grasp, however, by changing the perception on that analysis, (to my perceptions...) you get this question: Well, if man was not around, would sin be an issue?
and my answer: No, because without man, there is no sin.
another question: Therefore, is it possible that man created sin?
and yes, the same answer: yes.
"If we didn't have laws would there still be 'crime'?"
"No."
(RANDOM THOUGHT: "bad" and "wrong" is defined by a culture or population of people... and i dont believe in absolutes...)
....WELL! Why is this important to anyone? ITS NOT! But out of that line of questioning and thinking through the history of civilization, i know that religion, in some form or fashion, has always been around. People need answers to things they cannot explain or understand on their own, and sometimes that is why we have a god, or many gods, or abstract gods(SOME of the time). Most of the worlds religions have good and bad, oppisites, if you will, that co-exist, or are dualistic.... well anyways... the point is that I see it that man made sin... no, not taking the apple from the tree... i mean, man created evil in consiousness and named it "sin" himself. (this is also assuming that you dont take a literalist approach to god... and that you're in my head... so i dont expect any of you to agree with me)
It seems to me that god did not make man in his image, but man made god in ours! What a concept! (though, i'm sure i'm not the first heretical scum to think of it) It seems to me that people just dont want to think of dying alone, and so they created god/s/esses to aid them in this process. SOMETIMES it is not this case, but for my purposes, I'm going to state the above point as fact. copasetic?
RANDOM COMMENT:
(Some of the gods that have been throught centuries are thought personafied, or feelings personafied... it all is varied... but somehow we come to one source behind it all. Some "top god" or oneness....)
... so anyways, (this is contradiction galore!) from one of the books left out of the canon... (cant remember which one... ) It talks about the end of the world, and how Yeshua comes to hell, and releases all of those poor souls who inhabit it. Yeshua tells, Philip, i believe? that in fact, there IS no hell.
I think that heaven and hell are simple concepts - easy to grasp. It's MUCH more comforting to believe that you'll either go to heaven or hell than just dying and wondering... "what's next?" In death, we're alone... but we're together in that we are alone. (wow ashley, i never knew you were THIS messed up!)
SO... my conclusions: There is no sin, there is no god, and there is no hell; there is only self seeking subjective analyzations of the ideas that we have been presented and accepted as truth.
*sigh*
may the dogs tear this thread to shreds! Enjoy taking apart my theories and ideas! (as i know you will )
(*crowd says back, "hi buttons!"*)
Good to see you all again after that outage this morning.... i truly thought I was in hell! I think we should re-define hell as: "life without RF"
(crowd :clap: ) ... now, now, no applause needed!
....But onto an actual, debatable (or maybe not) topic I've thought about. When I was going through my Christianity to Gnosticism stage, i had MANY questions. (I now have conclusions to all my answers,[or maybe not] so most of the things i ask are out of pure curiosity.) This is my logic:
Christians say, "Yeshua took away all the sin of the world."
and yet we can still commit "sins"... so if Yeshua took away the sin of the world, how are we able to still commit sin?
{There are MANY different branches that stem off from my questioning at this point because thoughts come to me at a mile a minute when i'm rethinking old thoughts... If some of the questions from here on out dont make sense, and probably wont make sense unless you actually understand my locomotive of thought. (tee hee, train, get it?) Please just quote what you dont understand, and ask what i meant by it, and try not to take my opinions or inquiries too harshly. Danke alles! }
In my opinion, and through manly countless hours of thinking on it, sin would not exist if man did not also exist. (well dur ashley) .... Yes, it seems like common knowledge a two year old could grasp, however, by changing the perception on that analysis, (to my perceptions...) you get this question: Well, if man was not around, would sin be an issue?
and my answer: No, because without man, there is no sin.
another question: Therefore, is it possible that man created sin?
and yes, the same answer: yes.
"If we didn't have laws would there still be 'crime'?"
"No."
(RANDOM THOUGHT: "bad" and "wrong" is defined by a culture or population of people... and i dont believe in absolutes...)
....WELL! Why is this important to anyone? ITS NOT! But out of that line of questioning and thinking through the history of civilization, i know that religion, in some form or fashion, has always been around. People need answers to things they cannot explain or understand on their own, and sometimes that is why we have a god, or many gods, or abstract gods(SOME of the time). Most of the worlds religions have good and bad, oppisites, if you will, that co-exist, or are dualistic.... well anyways... the point is that I see it that man made sin... no, not taking the apple from the tree... i mean, man created evil in consiousness and named it "sin" himself. (this is also assuming that you dont take a literalist approach to god... and that you're in my head... so i dont expect any of you to agree with me)
It seems to me that god did not make man in his image, but man made god in ours! What a concept! (though, i'm sure i'm not the first heretical scum to think of it) It seems to me that people just dont want to think of dying alone, and so they created god/s/esses to aid them in this process. SOMETIMES it is not this case, but for my purposes, I'm going to state the above point as fact. copasetic?
RANDOM COMMENT:
(Some of the gods that have been throught centuries are thought personafied, or feelings personafied... it all is varied... but somehow we come to one source behind it all. Some "top god" or oneness....)
... so anyways, (this is contradiction galore!) from one of the books left out of the canon... (cant remember which one... ) It talks about the end of the world, and how Yeshua comes to hell, and releases all of those poor souls who inhabit it. Yeshua tells, Philip, i believe? that in fact, there IS no hell.
I think that heaven and hell are simple concepts - easy to grasp. It's MUCH more comforting to believe that you'll either go to heaven or hell than just dying and wondering... "what's next?" In death, we're alone... but we're together in that we are alone. (wow ashley, i never knew you were THIS messed up!)
SO... my conclusions: There is no sin, there is no god, and there is no hell; there is only self seeking subjective analyzations of the ideas that we have been presented and accepted as truth.
*sigh*
may the dogs tear this thread to shreds! Enjoy taking apart my theories and ideas! (as i know you will )