Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

paarsurrey

I could be incorrect, or parially incorrect mixed with partially correct. I will leave the deep dive to others who may want to look further on their own. But over the years of circumstantially noticing some things or coming upon things others have noticed (sort of a "that's odd - one matches the other", "now two came to the same footnote independent of each other") ... and while trying to avoid controversy, it seems before Mohammed that some of these items in the Koran go back to the Goddess Nana abd the mystics of Nana.

ShivaFan said:

paarsurrey

I could be incorrect, or parially incorrect mixed with partially correct. I will leave the deep dive to others who may want to look further on their own. But over the years of circumstantially noticing some things or coming upon things others have noticed (sort of a "that's odd - one matches the other", "now two came to the same footnote independent of each other") ... and while trying to avoid controversy, it seems before Mohammed that some of these items in the Koran go back to the Goddess Nana abd the mystics of Nana.

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I agree with you that one must search for the truth oneself. We live in this world only one life; why should we live on Untruth.

We Muslims believe that the Recitation authored by the One-True-God (Allah, Brahman, Brahma) named Quran; and that it reveals the secrets of Universe/s as to how one should live in this world to meet Him face to face.

These secrets exist/ed in absolute sense even before time and space was created.

G-d revealed from these absolute realities to all perfect men in most or all regions of the world. In this sense Quran is the original master-copy though portions or a glimpse of it were revealed even earlier in time to all the nations of the world.

It is for this that a believer (or a Muslim) has been enjoined, in its very beginning, to accept all of them, if secure; and by believing them one believes in Quran and confirms one's belief:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 2: Al-Baqarah

[2:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[2:2] Alif Lam Mim.
[2:3] This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,
[2:4] Who believe in the unseen and observe Prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
[2:5] And who believe in that which has been revealed to thee, and that which was revealed before thee, and they have firm faith in what is yet to come.
[2:6] It is they who follow the guidance of their Lord and it is they who shall prosper.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Thanks and regards

paarsurrey said:

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I give below The Holy Quran : Chapter 94: Al-Inshirah:

[94:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[94:2] Have We not opened for thee thy bosom,
[94:3] And removed from thee thy burden
[94:4] Which had well nigh broken thy back,
[94:5] And We exalted thy name?
[94:6] Surely there is ease after hardship.
[94:7] Aye, surely there is ease after hardship.
[94:8] So when thou art free, strive hard,
[94:9] And to thy Lord do thou attend whole-heartedly.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted or as comes latest from a posters now “spinned” from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.


Regard

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Sad how you fail to understand that this post being repeated ad nauseum merely shows your desperation.

If this is the best you got you should pack up and run along home claiming your shallow meaningless "victory".

paarsurrey said:

... why should we live on Untruth.

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It isn't that you "should", it is that you choose to.

paarsurrey said:

I don't get you exactly; what do you mean by spin here? Please express yourself fully in your own words.

Regards

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You see that they where correcting untruths, I see it as being changed on purpose either because Muahammad was paraphrasing and maybe misremembering from what he had heard or on purpose to prove to others that his new religion had merit.

no-body said:

You see that they where correcting untruths, I see it as being changed on purpose either because Muahammad was paraphrasing and maybe misremembering from what he had heard or on purpose to prove to others that his new religion had merit.

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I don't agree with you.

Please quote from Quran to prove your viewpoint.

Regards

paarsurrey said:

I don't agree with you.

Please quote from Quran to prove your viewpoint.

Regards

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You have to prove the Quran itself it valid before you or I can quote from it since I am questioning the validity of it in the first place, it's up to you to find a none Koran source to prove what you say. I am giving you a much greater leeway than Outhouse is and you still fail

no-body said:

You have to prove the Quran itself it valid

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And I have asked him to show how Abraham, Moses, Queen of Sheba, and Noah are actual historical persons, and all I hear is crickets


I have also asked him why not one credible scholar in the whole world! uses the koran to study Israelite or christian history.

Nothing but crickets



Circular answer coming soon I can tell.

paarsurrey said:

I don't agree with you.

Please quote from Quran to prove your viewpoint.

Regards

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The books point to a god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. If Muhammad is a prophet and says the same thing then it is the same god . Tread lightly defaming the bible when it is the original source of god of the quran. If a story happened in the bible but Muhammad changes something or leaves something out, he is either corrupting it, fixing it, or there was nothing to corrupt because there are no words of god. Muhammad isnt going to say he changed somethig we can compare the stories.

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I give below The Holy Quran : Chapter 93: Al-Duha :

[93:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[93:2] By the growing brightness of the forenoon,
[93:3] And by the night when it becomes still,
[93:4] Thy Lord has not forsaken thee, nor is He displeased with thee.
[93:5] Surely every hour that follows is better for thee than the one that precedes.
[93:6] And thy Lord will soon give thee and thou wilt be well pleased.
[93:7] Did He not find thee an orphan and give thee shelter?
[93:8] And He found thee wandering in search for Him and guided thee unto Himself.
[93:9] And He found thee in want and enriched thee.
[93:10] So the orphan, oppress not,
The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted or as comes latest from a posters now “spinned” from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.


Regard

Mestemia said:

Do you know the name of the book that will correct the mistakes god made in the Koran?

Since what you are claiming here is that god did not get it right the first time...

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You got me wrong; the revelation on Moses was correct but later corrupted by the narrators/scribes/clergy; Quran corrects that corrupted account of the Bible.

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And I have asked him to show how Abraham, Moses, Queen of Sheba, and Noah are actual historical persons, and all I hear is crickets


I have also asked him why not one credible scholar in the whole world! uses the koran to study Israelite or christian history.

Nothing but crickets



Circular answer coming soon I can tell.

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I have so far quoted following twenty three short but full chapters from Quran in this thread:

93. Al-Duha,94. Al-Inshirah,95. Al-Tin,96. Al-`Alaq,97. Al-Qadr,98. Al-Bayyinah,99. Al-Zilzal,100. Al-`Adiyat,101. Al-Qari`ah,102. Al-Takathur,103. Al-`Asr,104. Al-Humazah,105. Al-Fil,106. Al-Quraish,107. Al-Ma`un,108. Al-Kauthar,109. Al-Kafirun,110. Al-Nasr,111. Al-Lahab,112. Al-Ikhlas,113. Al-Falaq,114. Al-Nas,1. Al-Fatihah.

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Our Jewish (or non-Jewish) friends have not been able to quote or reference places of Torah where any of the verses of these twenty three Quranic chapters have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from.

We can therefore conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of these chapters of Quran have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah.

Quran is, therefore, the Word Revealed from G-d and authored by Him and is original.

Regards

And I have asked him to show how Abraham, Moses, Queen of Sheba, and Noah are actual historical persons, and all I hear is crickets


I have also asked him why not one credible scholar in the whole world! uses the koran to study Israelite or christian history.

Nothing but crickets



Circular answer coming soon I can tell.

The fact you ignore the above, is factually desperation.

paarsurrey said:

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I have so far quoted following twenty three short but full chapters from Quran in this thread:




Our Jewish (or non-Jewish) friends have not been able to quote or reference places of Torah where any of the verses of these twenty three Quranic chapters have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from.

We can therefore conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of these chapters of Quran have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah.

Quran is, therefore, the Word Revealed from G-d and authored by Him and is original.

Regards

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Ouch.
I never knew your faith was so weak.

My sincere condolences.

Pegg said:

the stories in the quran are not the same as we find in the bible.

They have the same characters but the details of the accounts are quite different. So no, i dont think quran is a copy of the biblical narratives.

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Same characters is 'copied', Pegg.
Doesn't matter if the narrative differs in regards as to the character stories.

Sheesh..

Hi

As far as I am concerned, the Quran and its author did not copy the earlier scriptures, since it disagrees with them in a number of instances, contradicting major incidents as well, and in many places correcting the historical mistakes.

Take for the example the fact that in the story of Prophet Joseph, the Bible refers to the ruler of Egypt as Pharoah, while the Quran calls him a King. In the story of Moses, both the Bible and Quran refer to him as Pharoah.

Why didn't the Quran refer to the ruler as Pharoah in the story of Joseph? Could it be because the title was not used at the time of Joseph but only after him in the time of Moses?

The Quran also omits the absurd stories like the incest of Prophet Lot, Noah getting drunk, Solomon worshiping idols, Abraham lying etc.

Thanks

Syed

Syed Ahmad said:

Hi

As far as I am concerned, the Quran and its author did not copy the earlier scriptures,

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No one says they did.


Its called plagiarizing when someone changes an earlier source to meet its own needs.

paarsurrey said:

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I have so far quoted following twenty three short but full chapters from Quran in this thread:




Our Jewish (or non-Jewish) friends have not been able to quote or reference places of Torah where any of the verses of these twenty three Quranic chapters have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from.

We can therefore conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of these chapters of Quran have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah.

Quran is, therefore, the Word Revealed from G-d and authored by Him and is original.

Regards

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Yes if you ignore the reference verse provide by comments in this thread you could claim this. However such an argument becomes a strawman. Congratulations on your fabricated victory.