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Are the 10 commandments "truth" ?

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
The thing with most of them is they make life easier

So it is not really law it is morel codes of conduct to make us all get on better
 

true blood

Active Member
I see the 10 commandments more as a punishment toward the chosen people of God who so continuesly turned their backs on their God. Sure those laws contain a moral code... Moses came down from the mountain holding the glory of that administration of the law in his hands. The glory eminating off those stones on which those commandments were written was so great that the people had to cover their eyes and squint to look at his face. If that law which the word says killeth was so bright, what about the administration of the current age? That old glory is nothing in comparison with the glory that excels in the Age of Grace. One cannot even see the Age of Grace through those laws, it has to been seen through the holy spirit.
 

linwood

Well-Known Member
true blood said:
Bold statement although I feel it stems from lack of knowledge.

More than possible.

Scripture teaches that Adam was created as a three part being of 1. Spirit, 2. Body, 3. Soul. The day Adam and Eve ate of the "fruit", the image of God (which is spirit) "died" in mankind.

Could you show me how scripture implies this?

This is probably the main theme of the entire bible, regaining the lost spirit of God.

Thats a pretty large statement.
 

true blood

Active Member
linwood said:
Could you show me how scripture implies this?

Sure. Several pieces of scripture gives implication to the original man as being composed of three parts.

Isaiah 43:7: Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

Unless the words "created", "formed", and "made" are synonymous[which I don't believe they are] there is some indication that these words to define man.

I Thessalonians 5:23: And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Again, three more words used to define man. No more synonymous than the three words used in Isaiah. Therefore its safe to say man consisted of three parts; one part God formed, one He made and one He created.

Genesis: 2:7: And the Lord God formed man the dust of the ground....

Hebrew word for formed is yatsar "to fashion from something that is already in existence." Other verses teach that all are of the dust, and all return to dust again. Obviously refering to the body of man, which was "yatsar".

Genesis 2:7: And the Lord God formed man [man's body] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man [man's body] became a living soul.

Here God takes the body of man and made man a living soul. Made, "asah", a substance required of which the thing made consists. Leviticus explains that the soul-life of man [man's body] is in the blood. These implies that at birth when a child is born and takes its first breath, the child becomes an independent living soul. And when a person takes his last breath his soul is gone, his life is over. However there is the biblical usage of the word "created" and the word "spirit" which was key in God's work.

Genesis 1:27: So God created man in his image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

John 4:24: God is a spirit

Therefore the scripture implies that God's image is spirit. And with this act of creation with in man His own image, spirit, man became a three part being. With these scriptures I conclude that Adam, before his fall, lived as a three part being and communication with God was done via the spirit part of man.
 

Faust

Active Member
Since God would be considered the arbiter of truth in this context, I would say that his commandments are declarative statements of his truth.Thus the 10 commandments would be truth. But I'm puzzled by the violation of the truth "Thou shall have no other gods before me" being broken by the creation of the "golden calf" leading directly to the violation of "Thou shall not kill" by the Levits slaughter of multitudes of the Hebrews in the service of God which elevates them to the station of "priests". It would appear that truth can be withdrawn or reinstated by God subjectively and man is often caught in a catch 22 dependant upon judgements that he can not possibly foresee.
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
The law was never intended to justify a sinner, only show him his sin. It was standard ,only given to reflect our true nature, like a mirror ,the mirror never makes you dirty or look ugly, it did'nt place the dirt there . it just reflects the true image of what you presently look like and God's plan was that the Law lead you and I to Christ and He is the fulfillment of the Law. Not one person , including ourselves, will help us become justified before the Holy council and judgement seat of God. Your rationale, intellect, concepts can not reach God in His original postion of sin and judgement because that in and of itself is a law with God called the law of Sin and Death, and the Law of Reaping and Sowing.
The soul that sins will die, and if you sow to the flesh you will reap corruption, by saying, I'll have words with God someday, doeS NOT CHANGE anything for you, but puff up pride and further condemn, "for every mouth will be silenced on judgement day and all the world will be guilty, if you have not recieved a pardon from the courts of Heaven
Jesus wrote that the all the other commandments hinge off these 2
1) "Love God with all your heart ,mind ,strength and soul" represent the 1st ,5 commandments
2) Love your neighbor as yourself, represents the latter of the 10 commandments
We can talk about the law of commandments all day and achieve nothing, but if we go thru each of the ten commandments, we will see, we all violated at least 1 command , remembering, that the price you will pay for your sins can neverl be altered or defied, for it is eternal and immutable.
Only in this life can you choose forgiveness and redemption by trusting Jesus that he took your punishment on a cross and died so we can live eternally
Is this complicated for us as humans, absolutly, that is why Jesus said if you do not have faith as a child, you will by no means enter heaven
Paul said
Rom 3:20 ...no flesh shall be justified by the law, for by the LAW is the knowledge of Sin
Ps 19:7 the law of the lord is perfect converting your soul.
Paul ,A H ebrew writer for most of the New Test. says ,that which was to bring life ( meaning if he kept the strict hebrew law which he was raised in and practiced ,really brought death ) it showed him that the law only condemns a man (species)
I do not judge by what I believe, the law on a man's heart naturally judges and condemn's already .That is the laws job thru the conscience, But a man confesses his sin before God and recieves the sacrifice of Jesus' blood on the cross, the atonement was made, your spiritual eyes will open, guilt will be removed ,the Spirit of God will enter you confirm and witness you are a new creation and you will know you are forgiven and redeemed.
Try standing before a civil judge and ,justify, intellectualize, philosophize by sharing your views and concepts on the law and the system. I never meant to do that, it was an accident etc.I did'nt know, God says man will be without excuse on Judgement day, just from looking at creation , trees ,life, sun , moon the wonders of the human eye, to the healing of the body, to the plants that produce food for us and the water from the ground etc, etc.
You look at a coke can ,you know there was logic behind it's design, a bobby pin ,the simplest object, you can determine the level of planning , organization,even the thought behind it.
God did not make the things of heaven, hell ,sin, death,Jesus etc. a mystery to those who reach out in faith to salvation, only to those who analize ,intellectualize and rationalize their understanding of teh spiritual things of God, Man will still remain in ignorance ,denial, knowledge and understanding. Only by His Spirit will you see,
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
How many actual follow the 10th commandment
Not to desire 'covert'
This is what buddah said as well!!
If you follow what i have posted then the commandment actual showed me all the 13 dimensions
also having died in this life time it just confirmed it
It really depends how you look at them and if they are put in there correct format it is not just a biblical thing but world wide as the druids have steps in the oak tree as to many other religions
Many people when they die see steps
now are the steps levels of consciousness, and the commanments a guideline to these steps?
 
the commandments of god
are worthless in the modern age
and if you people didn't notice
what's his name threw them down to the ground
and your obsessed with a replica that the
government found.
they are worth nothing sense they ar destroyed
and truth isn't meant to exist BECAUSE
death has come from lies and liars.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
blood-lord14 said:
the commandments of god
are worthless in the modern age
and if you people didn't notice
what's his name threw them down to the ground
and your obsessed with a replica that the
government found.
they are worth nothing sense they ar destroyed
and truth isn't meant to exist BECAUSE
death has come from lies and liars.
They may be so to you, but if you'll excuse me, I think I'll try to follow them..........

There's one I could break right now.I would covet anyone's ability to know what you are talking about.............;)
 
Deut. 10:19 said:
Perhaps somewhere its National Psychobabble Day.
INDEED,
I WAS WELL ON THE TOPIC AND ADDED A FEW FACTS
YOU PEOPLE NEED TO WATCH MY WORKS AND USE THEM
I AM NOT EVIL AND I SERVE KNOWONE BECAUSE KNOWONE SERVES ME.
 
The Ten Commandments are mentioned and taught in all three of the Holy Books (the Torah, the Bible, the Qur'an). They are the basis for all monotheistic religions in some way or another and they are the center of basic law. If you exluded the First Commandment then any athiest would accept the other nine and if Jews, Christians, and Muslims all agree on it despite their constant fighting then I conclude that the Ten Commandments can only be truth. Also, philosophy is nothing but the ideas of man; compared to God man is nothing.
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
The Ten Commandments are mentioned and taught in all three of the Holy Books (the Torah, the Bible, the Qur'an). They are the basis for all monotheistic religions in some way or another
Only the Abrahamic traditions. A Desit, for example, would not. Many varieties of Hindu believe in only one God (who has aspects, much as the Christian trinity), and they don't have the 10 commandments either.

and they are the center of basic law.
Not in this country. The first 5 commandments are entirely absent, as are some of the latter 5.

If you exluded the First Commandment then any athiest would accept the other nine and if Jews, Christians, and Muslims all agree on it despite their constant fighting then I conclude that the Ten Commandments can only be truth.
I wonder if all that fighting means that the commandments don't actually work?

Also, philosophy is nothing but the ideas of man; compared to God man is nothing.
Ironically that, in itself, is a philosophy.
 
wizanda said:
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There is no way to explain how I came to arrive at this decision or even notice, expect through god’s help. Basically The Commandments, I Ching, numerology and dimensions run in parrel, I have still to research what other beliefs do, yet I presume most are similar, as this makes logical sense to me. Let me start by going over the commandments.


1: You shall have no other gods before me.

2: "You shall not make an engraved image for yourself, nor any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them; for I, Yahweh, your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me; and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

3: "You shall not take the name of Yahweh your God in vain: for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

4: "Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as Yahweh your God commanded you. You shall labor six days, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a Sabbath to Yahweh your God, in which you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your livestock, nor your stranger who is within your gates; that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and Yahweh your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm: therefore Yahweh your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

5: "Honor your father and your mother, as Yahweh your God commanded you; that your days may be long, and that it may go well with you, in the land which Yahweh your God gives you.

6: "You shall not murder.

6 "Neither shall you commit adultery.

7: "Neither shall you steal.

8: "Neither shall you give false testimony against your neighbor.

9: "Neither shall you covet your neighbor's wife;

10: neither shall you desire your neighbor's house, his field, or his male servant, or his female servant, his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's."

(Deuteronomy 5:7-21)

11: love one another through gods love as Christ did.

This is my commandment, that ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

(John 15:12-13)

12. Spread wisdom as Christ did.

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; in my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

(Mark 16:15-18)

Now if you know the vision of Daniel concerning the ram and the goat this makes sense of the two horns, as Christ came out with two commandments.

Then let’s have a look at the I Ching and how the numbers work in eastern culture. For those who do not know the I Ching is about 5000 years old

1. Oneness, I, The thing that everything is made of

2. Couple, complete number, an image

3. Solid object, the building blocks of life, logic

4. Time, movement, flow

5. Waiting, still, disorder, contemplation

6. Man, not enough

7. Heaven, yang

8. Earth, yin

9. Chaos, before completion, to much

If the I Ching were to continue and contain the extra as to match all the commandments it would be a like so theoretically

10. Completion, finished, life, simplicity

11. Love, compassion, peace, harmony

12. Wisdom, noble truth, unconditional love, completeness, humbleness

This would be in keeping with the logic of the I Ching adding an extra expression to the end of the rhythm the same as if you played jazz. It would then make the I Ching a movement of time as every image could have expression, ether hard or soft.

Now if you can see what I am getting at the Dimensions

1 = length

2 = width

3 = depth

4 = time

5 = Gravity



These are where we have got to with science. So what else is there out side the boundary’s of all of these? Existence, so from both the commandments and the I Ching let me show you where I think the other dimensions sit. The same as we knew in the past yet the 13th dimension being god and ultimate wisdom not man.



6 = Matter, Physical.

EM waves (radioactivity ect.), light travel through space therefore they have to travel along some sort of existing quark

7 =Anti matter, non-physical.

For every action there has to be an equal reaction so therefore something must theoretically hold up matter or existence

8 = Infinity, unlimited time.

On four we only look at the existence from a now perspective. Yet existence is something larger then that and contained by time; as gravity produces time.

9 = chaos

What can we have out side time?

10 = everything exist on a whole, Zion

For the universe to exist as a whole it must be encompassed

11 = heaven, love

Love as many say adds a dimension to life. The universe works in symbiosis so what ever has created it, must love; we love; as does nature!

12 = wisdom

What ever has created us has immense logic and organization. From looking at what is created we can see it has ultimate logic

13 =god, everything, ultimate oneness, center of the universe


HEY great news.....i can make this a hoax with mere ease
but i wont be back for a couple months anyways so dont bother
trying to stop my schemebecause im a work in progress (wink)...
 

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
I gotta ask which set.

Moses gets the first set of the ten commandments...

  1. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
  2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me. And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
  3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
  4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
  5. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
  6. Thou shalt not kill.
  7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
  8. Thou shalt not steal.
  9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
  10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his [donkey], nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

This list can be found in Exodus 20:2 to 20:17. After Moses gets these commandments on top of the mountains, he goes down, sees they made a golden calf, and gets upset. he broke the stone tablets, a few people were killed, and then Moses goes back up to the mountain. God tells Moses to get two new tablets, saying, ""I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets."

So, we expect the second set of Ten Commandments (found in Exodus 34:12 to 34:26) to be the same as the first, right? let's have a look....

  1. Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice; And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.
  2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
  3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.
  4. All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male. But the firstling of an *** thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
  5. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
  6. And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
  7. Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel. For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.
  8. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
  9. The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.
  10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

I'll leave it to you to decide if they are the same as the first.
 

XAAX

Active Member
Mister Emu said:
It is the true word of God written through man's hand

Not all the Bible is commands, infact almost all of it is a history.

Did you know mister emu that the bible that you follow was not magically written by God...But instead thrown together, Very poorly I might add(Most of the good books that could have been used were left out), around 300 b.c. by a PAGAN ruler to unite and control his kingdom. :eek:

Please get your facts straight before trying to use a book to justify your beliefs.
 

XAAX

Active Member
Muhhamad Abdul Salam said:
If you exluded the First Commandment then any athiest would accept the other nine and if Jews, Christians, and Muslims all agree on it despite their constant fighting then I conclude that the Ten Commandments can only be truth. Also, philosophy is nothing but the ideas of man; compared to God man is nothing.

Brilliant deduction there Muhhamad. How long did it take you to come up with that gem. The three most narrow minded religions can agree on it so…It must be true…Give me a break. Philosophy is nothing but a man made idea…What do you think your concept of God is. God is real to not get me wrong. But the ideologies of the religions you listed are all man made. Stemming from the same point and all fighting to be the right one.
A little advice for you. Look beyond those religions…I guarantee you that’s what Jesus and Muhhamad would tell you if they were around today.
Mosses on the other hand would probably give you a pat on the back. :slap:
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
PREACH THE NETT said:
Look beyond those religions…I guarantee you that’s what Jesus and Muhhamad would tell you if they were around today.
Like you're in a position to be able to guarantee what Jesus would say. :biglaugh:
 

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
Muhhamad Abdul Salam said:
If you exluded the First Commandment then any athiest would accept the other nine.

You've gotta be kidding, right?

The ten commandments are:

  1. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
  2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me. And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
  3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
  4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
  5. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
  6. Thou shalt not kill.
  7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
  8. Thou shalt not steal.
  9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
  10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his [donkey], nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

So you expect an athiest to:

  1. Avoid making images of God for worship due to fear of punishment from a god.
  2. Fear punishment from God for using the Lord's name in vain.
  3. Rest on Sunday to remember the work done by God.
  4. avoid being jealous.

I, as an atheist, would have no problem making an image of a god (even though i wouldn't feel the need to worship it; this law seems to be merely a way to keep believers in line). I have no fear in saying things like, "Oh my God", and I certainly don't see any reason to avoid work on Sunday. Actually, I find it really annoying to be stuck at home with nowhere to go. And wanting something for yourself that someone else has can inspire you to work harder to get it.

The first four of the ten commandments are religious in nature, and i don't see that any atheist would find them secularly based, as you claim. They are merely ways to keep the believers in line.
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
God has written the law upon man's heart,the moral law is within each man and he will be responsible for keeping or violating these moral laws

Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Hbr 8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The moral law was summed up into 2 laws by Jesus which hinge off the 10
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.
And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Mat 22:40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

But the law leads us to Christ
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Rom 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
 
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