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What would a religion without professional clergy be like?

outhouse

Atheistically
The two of us got to wondering what a religion without professional clergy would be like.

Chaos.

People need teachers, as a whole they are not that bright.


So, do you think a clergy-less religion could be feasible?

No.

People don't have the collective communication skills to keep similar beliefs in imagination land without some central spokesperson.



Would Judaism, Christianity, and Islam still be communal religions sans clergy?

Yes, politics would fill the void. Kinds and dictators would be the new clergy to lead the sheeple.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
No.

People don't have the collective communication skills to keep similar beliefs in imagination land without some central spokesperson.

I don't think that's true. The Slender Man mythos seems to do just fine keeping its canon intact without any central spokesperson. On the other hand, comic book continuity is all over the place despite having panels of editors whose job it is to keep it all straight.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I don't think that's true. The Slender Man mythos seems to do just fine keeping its canon intact without any central spokesperson. On the other hand, comic book continuity is all over the place despite having panels of editors whose job it is to keep it all straight.

Id buy small sects with a shared vision.


I should have clarified, something similar to the large religions we have now.
 

Thesavorofpan

Is not going to save you.
A few days ago, I was in a conversation with a friend on the topic of organized religion. The two of us got to wondering what a religion without professional clergy would be like. Given, of course, that perhaps the best way of deorganizing a religion would be to fire its professional clergy.

So, do you think a clergy-less religion could be feasible? If so why? If not, why not?

Would some hybrid religion that was largely clergy-less, but not entirely so, be feasible?

How would a clergy-less religion operate? Would Judaism, Christianity, and Islam still be communal religions sans clergy? Could Hinduism exist without clergy? What about the various Native American religions? Don't they already exist in large measure without professional clergy?

Would a clergy-less religion overall be a good thing? A bad thing? Why or why not?

Your thoughts, please.

In the town I grew up in they called that a cult.

But in all seriousness. It would really depend on the religion itself. As my religion goes I find that it wouldn't be possible.
 

jtartar

Well-Known Member
A few days ago, I was in a conversation with a friend on the topic of organized religion. The two of us got to wondering what a religion without professional clergy would be like. Given, of course, that perhaps the best way of deorganizing a religion would be to fire its professional clergy.

So, do you think a clergy-less religion could be feasible? If so why? If not, why not?

Would some hybrid religion that was largely clergy-less, but not entirely so, be feasible?

How would a clergy-less religion operate? Would Judaism, Christianity, and Islam still be communal religions sans clergy? Could Hinduism exist without clergy? What about the various Native American religions? Don't they already exist in large measure without professional clergy?

Would a clergy-less religion overall be a good thing? A bad thing? Why or why not?

Your thoughts, please.

Sunstone,
If you went to a clergy less religion, it seems that you would be returning to early Christianity. Remember what Jesus told his disciples: you are all Brothers, Matt 23:8. Jesus, speaking to his disciples, at Matt 23:1-9 shows that the in Christian Congregation, there should be NO high sounding titles, only to be called Brothers. The least one was the greatest, Matt 18:4, 20:25-28.
By a revelation from Jesus, Paul was given the rules of the power structure of the Christian Congregation, Gal 1:11,12, 1Cor 12:27-31.
Since all were told to do the same work, teach Christianity, it seems there was no place for a clergy, 1John 3:10, 2Thes 3:6-14.
If you have studied Typology, you will see that the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day, are the types, the Prriests and Clergy class are the anti types, Matt 23:13-36.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Sunstone,
If you went to a clergy less religion, it seems that you would be returning to early Christianity. Remember what Jesus told his disciples: you are all Brothers, Matt 23:8. Jesus, speaking to his disciples, at Matt 23:1-9 shows that the in Christian Congregation, there should be NO high sounding titles, only to be called Brothers. The least one was the greatest, Matt 18:4, 20:25-28.
By a revelation from Jesus, Paul was given the rules of the power structure of the Christian Congregation, Gal 1:11,12, 1Cor 12:27-31.
Since all were told to do the same work, teach Christianity, it seems there was no place for a clergy, 1John 3:10, 2Thes 3:6-14.
If you have studied Typology, you will see that the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day, are the types, the Prriests and Clergy class are the anti types, Matt 23:13-36.
The apostles were the clergy. Their successors, the bishops, still are.
 

sandandfoam

Veteran Member
I found my space with the Quakers. One of the best things, to my mind, about the Quakers here is that there are no clergy.
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Staff member
Premium Member
Technically, Islam doesn't have clergy

Shia Islam does have a hierarchy of clerics:

Shia clergy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact Nizari Ismaili Shi'ism even has an Imam occupying a Pope-like role:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imamate_(Ismaili_doctrine)

The Imamate (Arabic: إمامة‎) is a concept in Nizari Isma'ilism which defines the political, religious and spiritual dimensions of authority concerning Islamic leadership over the nation of believers. The primary function of the Imamate is to establish an institution between an Imam who is present and living in the world and his following whereby each are granted rights and responsibilities.[1]

The Nizari Imamate follows a genealogy of male Imams originating with Muhammad by his daughter Fatimah and cousin Ali and then through their son Hussein and his descendants up to the present day. Each ordained successor Imam of this lineage is charged with serving the Nizari Ismailis of his era who pay the zakat (tithe) dues to him as the designated Nizari Imam by giving them in return religious and spiritual guidance and also striving for their physical well-being to the best of his ability.

With respect to their spiritual nature, the Imams are considered incarnations of the divine word as well as conduits between God and the Ummah. Based on this belief, the Nizari Ismaili concept of Imamate differs from that of the Twelver's concept in that the Nizari Imams possess the authority to interpret the Quran according to the times and change or even abrogate any aspect of "The Way/The Path" (Sharia) of Islam.

The 49th and presently living Nizari Imam is Prince Shah Karim Al Hussaini Aga Khan (IV).
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Staff member
Premium Member

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
Hinduism is without professional clergy, none of them get along and they just bicker. There is no organized clergy in Hinduism although you have religious teachers(gurus) who are appointed by the people.
Neo-Pagans have no official clergy as well and they get along very fine.

No clergy is a plus plus to me

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