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angellous_evangellous said:Great minds...
Yep. *Hands Nate a glass of wine*
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angellous_evangellous said:Great minds...
No*s said:Yep. *Hands Nate a glass of wine*
YmirGF said::clap :bow: :clap
Nuttin' like a warm round of applause, when one is temporarily out of frubals.
Sadly, not tonight. I'm about to have to get at least a nap before work...I need to stay up later than 8:00 AM tomorrow, so I'll need extra juice.angellous_evangellous said:AE celebrates another chess victory over No*s
Adstar said:Hi again guys
I am happy i have helped some come to a better understanding of the rapture. For those who will not believe i hope you can overcome what you have been taught on the matter. But of course belief in rapture or it's timimg is not central to ones salvation status. If one is ready to die the one is ready for the rapture.
Here are some more Rapture verses for others to ponder:
Mark 13:24-27
But in those days, after the tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect form the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of Heaven.
Here is a clear Scripture showing that the second coming and the rapture both happen after the tribulation. First you see the words, after the tribulation, so you know that it is talking about the period that follows the tribulation. Then you see the Son of Man coming in the clouds, which is describing the second coming. He will send His angels, and gather together His elect which is the rapture of the saints.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
This scripture also makes it clear that the rapture will happen at the second coming of the Messiah Jesus. True Christians who have survived the tribulation will be caught up to meet the arriving Lord Jesus in the air.
Mark 13:19-20
For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elects sake, whom He chose, He shorted the day.
If the elect are raptured then why are the days shortened? The days will be shortened for our sake because we will be the ones suffering through those days.
Ezekiel 34
11 For thus says the Lord GOD: Indeed I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. 12 As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places where they were scattered on a cloudy and dark day.
To be delivered is to be saved from persecution. Not removed before one faces persecution. This scriptures clearly shows that it is the day of the Lord, a cloudy and dark day.
Daniel 12:7
That is shall be a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the Holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.
Revelation 13:7
It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.
Scripture foretells that the Anti-christ will destroy Christians we will not be raptured away to avoid persecution:
Mark 13:14-20
"So when you see the "abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not" (let the reader understand), "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter. For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
Why would Jesus warn His followers to flee during the abomination for desolation when none of His followers are here? Why did God find it necessary to warn believers if they won't be going through it at all?
I hope this will help people who are under the mistaken belief that the rapture is pre-tribulation, We must prepare ourselves for what is to come. i believe we are in the end days, Do not let the violence of this world make your heart grow cold persevere till the end. :hug:
Matthew 24
12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
angellous_evangellous said:The post above is plagarized in total, stolen from http://www.desertcrymagazine.com/Rapture.html. For example, see:
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]"Argumant 1: The rapture and the second coming are two totally seperate events. [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Mark 13:24-27 - [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]"But in those days after the tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars of the heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man comming in the cloudswith great power and glory. And then he will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four wins, from the farthest part of the earth to the farthest part of heaven." [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Here is a clear scripture showing that the second coming and the rapture both happen after the tribulation. First you see the word, "after the tribulation", so you know that it is talking about the period that follows the tribulation. Then you see "the Son of Man coming in the clouds", which is describing the second coming. "He will send his angels, and gather together His elect" which is the rapture of the saints."[/FONT]
The rest of the post is available there as well.
Adstar said:I never sourced my material from that site. It did however source some of my material from a post on another forum. And i recieved permission to use that material. Irrespective of that, The truth comes from the Holy Spirit and No one can claim to own words created with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The Word of God cannot be Stolen it can only be shared.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
TheTruthWillSetUFree said:I should mention that when I explore these things, I venture on holy ground. I share the following study with confidence, but I also realize and respect that others may have a different interpretation.
The Twelve Tribes
Perhaps one of the first things we should ask is whether or not the 144,000 are actually .......
Have you seen the first movie of the "Left Behind" series?Mister Emu said:I have a question...
Given the mass dissappearance of Christians the world over...
Who wouldn't believe the Bible? I mean some Christians have been going on and on and a rapture... it happens... and then people don't realize this and just go on thinking 'Hmmm, what a weird coincidince'?