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Why can't God be logical?
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nutshell
Well-Known Member
jeffrey said:
I don't think He is.
jeffrey said:
I believe the more accurate translation is "sensitive" rather than "jealous." And I believe his statement was "no other Gods before me." I'm not sure he states there are no other Gods at all.
jeffrey said:
He is love. You're right. That's his side of Mercy, but in the OT you're seeing another side of God, which is Justice. Until Christ came, God's law only dealt out Justice as we read about in the OT. With Christ, however, a way for Mercy to exist perfectly was created. Now, both Justice and Mercy can be perfectly satisfied.
Super Universe
Defender of God
jeffrey said:
God did not harden anyone's heart just as He surely does not wish humans to pay Him a ransom or give Him the best from your flock as a blood sacrifice.
But then it is your choice what to believe.
blueman
God's Warrior
We will respectfully disagree on the first point. Jesus stated that He was the Way, the Truth and The Life, no man cometh unto the Father but by Me (John 14:6). Through His death and resurrection, we are redeemed and have an everlasting relationship with God, The Father.jeffrey said:
Also, if you are referring to Phaoroh, he had ample opportunity to repent and accept the will of God.
finalfrogo
Well-Known Member
jeffrey said:
It seems that throughout all religious ideas and texts, there is a Loving/Compassionate God and the Vengeful/Judging God. I prefer to believe exclusively in the former, despite what any religious texts would suggest.
But on a different point, is it not possibly that God could contradict Himself? After all, God is capable of anything-- he is trascends logic, therefore He is not subject to it.
To put it another way: being boundless, He is bound by nothing-- not even logic.
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
What I believe is that if man does not know the answer to something, he makes it up. We're good about that. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshizt." Man did not know the answer to so many things back then, so he made it up as he went along. Now science comes along and has disproven so many things. Continued...
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
Instead of religion admitting this, they fall back on "All things are possible through God". Which is true, but not logical. Why not rethink things. Realize that God created all equal, that he does not hate or love one race more then others. That man was the homophobe, not God. That man has always used religion to further his own agenda. Once we do this, then maybe we might discover the real God.
blueman
God's Warrior
The more and more scientists uncover new discoveries regarding our universe, it validates the existence of God and His master design. Think about this when you feel that man made things up as he went along:jeffrey said:
Why would the disciples, who had no reason to spread the gospel after Jesus's cruxifiction, became passionate about the cause within a very short period of time after His death? Was it for financial gain? No. Was it for social status? No. Was it for political power? I don't think so. All they were guaranteed was a life of persecution and a high probability of being martyred (10 of the 11 were killed). So I doubt those who walked with Jesus during His 3 1/2 year ministry were committed to promulgating a falsehood if it meant they were going to be ridiculed and executed as a result.
No I think what prompted them to preach the gospel even unto a violent death was indeed the resurrection of Christ and not the bull-**** you make reference to. Why don't you ponder this with some objectivity.
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
Blueman, I'm talking mostly about the OT. Not about Jesus, or his apostles. About Adam and Eve. About the earth being created in 7 days. But we'll talk about the Apostles. Not one of their own writtings in their own pen is around. Most did not believe in Jesus when he was alive. Only one was there at Christ's death. The major writer of the NT. was not even an original apostle.
Wow Jeffrey! what an incredibly interesting thread..........
There are so many good posts It is hard to single them out; took me ages to go through the thread, because everyone had good points to offer.
I like Ashley's reply;
I tend to agree with whoever it was who said "The translators weren't divinely inspired".... I think the charge of priests making up the rules so as to have a hold on people is a bit harsh, though doubtless that has happened, historically. That's the trouble with we humans; we're humans.
I like that, Mister_T; I must admit the Taoist outlook and ways of seeing things rings very true. And yes, of course, whilst the Holy Spirit is what allows me to decide what is wrong and what is right, don't forget our atheist friends...........they are just as deserving of praise for coming to the same set of rights and wrongs without the Holy Spirit (unless, of course you believe that they still have the Holy Spirit but don't acknowledge it).
Agreed; I don't think we even have the mental capacity to come even near to understanding what God is. I think in fact we spend far too much time trying to work out what he is, when we could be going about productively doing something we know would please Christ.
There are so many good posts It is hard to single them out; took me ages to go through the thread, because everyone had good points to offer.
I like Ashley's reply;
Super Universe said:
I tend to agree with whoever it was who said "The translators weren't divinely inspired".... I think the charge of priests making up the rules so as to have a hold on people is a bit harsh, though doubtless that has happened, historically. That's the trouble with we humans; we're humans.
Mister_T said:
I like that, Mister_T; I must admit the Taoist outlook and ways of seeing things rings very true. And yes, of course, whilst the Holy Spirit is what allows me to decide what is wrong and what is right, don't forget our atheist friends...........they are just as deserving of praise for coming to the same set of rights and wrongs without the Holy Spirit (unless, of course you believe that they still have the Holy Spirit but don't acknowledge it).
CaptainXeroid said:The shortest answer I can think of is that God appear illogical to some because our minds are finite, and we are trying to understand and explain the infiinte. We know God through the accounts in the Bible, and while I believe it was divinely inspired, it was written down by fininte, mortal men.
We have seen translation errors such as #6, "Thou shall not kill." instead of the correct "Thou shall not commit murder" I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that 'bad deeds' ascribed to God might have been misstated or mistranslated as well.
Agreed; I don't think we even have the mental capacity to come even near to understanding what God is. I think in fact we spend far too much time trying to work out what he is, when we could be going about productively doing something we know would please Christ.
blueman
God's Warrior
Not true. It was from their own pen, although copies and manuscripts were written by writers subsequent to their deaths which aligned with the central doctrine preached in 1st century Palestine. In regards to the Old Testament, you can't believe in God while at the same time not believing that a supernatural God can intervene in the natural realm in any form or fashion that He desires and that goes for creation as well.jeffrey said: