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jeffrey said:Why is God visioned as illogical?
jeffrey said:The Bible has him as a jealous of other Gods, but yet states there are no other Gods.
jeffrey said:He to me is love, but the OT has him getting people to slaughter thousands of others. He creates all, but creates people that others hate for being who they are. Makes no sense.
jeffrey said:And if God gave all free will, then when he hardens someone's heart.... That's not free will.
We will respectfully disagree on the first point. Jesus stated that He was the Way, the Truth and The Life, no man cometh unto the Father but by Me (John 14:6). Through His death and resurrection, we are redeemed and have an everlasting relationship with God, The Father.jeffrey said:Personal relationship through Christ... So, for all the religions who do not accept Christ as the son of God, they connot have a relationship with God? I disagree. And if God gave all free will, then when he hardens someone's heart.... That's not free will.
Sorry. This passage says otherwise.blueman said:Also, if you are referring to Phaoroh, he had ample opportunity to repent and accept the will of God.
jeffrey said:God to me is not the God of the OT. The God I know lives in my heart, and guides my soul. He is not jealous. He does not seek revenge. He loves me, HE LOVES ALL. He does not discriminate against color, race, or sexual orientation. The God of the OT does all these things.
Mister_T said:Sorry. This passage says otherwise.
Exodus 7:3 "3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt"
jeffrey said:Why is God visioned as illogical? The Bible has him as a jealous of other Gods, but yet states there are no other Gods. He to me is love, but the OT has him getting people to slaughter thousands of others. He creates all, but creates people that others hate for being who they are. Makes no sense.
Sorry, been asleep! It was actually 700+ years before Christ that God stopped intervening in such a violent way. If God is perfect, which I believe he is, he would have known that Eve would have taken the bait. He's all knowing, right?nutshell said:I'm intersted in Jeff's and anyone else's response to my post 42.
The more and more scientists uncover new discoveries regarding our universe, it validates the existence of God and His master design. Think about this when you feel that man made things up as he went along:jeffrey said:Instead of religion admitting this, they fall back on "All things are possible through God". Which is true, but not logical. Why not rethink things. Realize that God created all equal, that he does not hate or love one race more then others. That man was the homophobe, not God. That man has always used religion to further his own agenda. Once we do this, then maybe we might discover the real God.
Super Universe said:If you believe that God loves us and wants what is best for us then anything that conflicts with that is wrong.
The Old Testament is so full of wrong ideas about God that I hardly see it as divine revelation at all.
God invented science and placed it in charge of running the universe but created the universe in 6 days?
God wants us to pay Him a ransom?
God tortures Job?
God physically wrestles with a man?
God is jealous?
Fear God?
God creates the universe for us then kills us in a flood and with fire and brimstone? Then thousands of years later sends His Son to teach us forgiveness?
These are all human faults written in to the books by priests who wanted to increase their influence over people.
"Follow me or else," they'd say.
Mister_T said:I hear ya Jeffery. Today people are so caught up in defining God and trying to figure him out. God is not something we are able to fully comprehend or understand. I think everyone should take a page from our Taoist friends and just be. We all have inner convictions of right and wrong. Organized religions create too much grey area in regards to what is good and what is evil. IMO, good and evil is pretty black and white. Like you said, following that inner conviction is what drives you to make distinctions between right and wrong. That inner conviction is called the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit comes from God.
CaptainXeroid said:The shortest answer I can think of is that God appear illogical to some because our minds are finite, and we are trying to understand and explain the infiinte. We know God through the accounts in the Bible, and while I believe it was divinely inspired, it was written down by fininte, mortal men.
We have seen translation errors such as #6, "Thou shall not kill." instead of the correct "Thou shall not commit murder" I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that 'bad deeds' ascribed to God might have been misstated or mistranslated as well.
Not true. It was from their own pen, although copies and manuscripts were written by writers subsequent to their deaths which aligned with the central doctrine preached in 1st century Palestine. In regards to the Old Testament, you can't believe in God while at the same time not believing that a supernatural God can intervene in the natural realm in any form or fashion that He desires and that goes for creation as well.jeffrey said:Blueman, I'm talking mostly about the OT. Not about Jesus, or his apostles. About Adam and Eve. About the earth being created in 7 days. But we'll talk about the Apostles. Not one of their own writtings in their own pen is around. Most did not believe in Jesus when he was alive. Only one was there at Christ's death. The major writer of the NT. was not even an original apostle.